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Hillary Clinton

  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    bigkahuna;1784114 wrote:To be fair, the whole FDR 4 term thing has a lot of factors going into it than whether or not his policies were popular. I tend to agree with Zwick on some level, but let's be honest here.
    I would say his polices were pretty popular and still are today.
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    a Trump nomination means a Hillary win. Trump will drive democrats out to vote against him. If Rubio won the nomination, I think enough of the Bernie supporters stay home because they don't care about the election and Rubio wins. But you might as well hand it to Hillary if Trump wins the nomination.
  • sleeper
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1784131 wrote:a Trump nomination means a Hillary win. Trump will drive democrats out to vote against him. If Rubio won the nomination, I think enough of the Bernie supporters stay home because they don't care about the election and Rubio wins. But you might as well hand it to Hillary if Trump wins the nomination.
    Certainly seems that way although honestly at this point I wouldn't count Trump out. He's defied any conventional logic at this point and people also don't like Hillary either.
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    sleeper;1784132 wrote:Certainly seems that way although honestly at this point I wouldn't count Trump out. He's defied any conventional logic at this point and people also don't like Hillary either.
    I think enough republicans don't like Trump enough to stay home too. The turnout would be much higher with a Rubio ticket.
  • QuakerOats
    http://freebeacon.com/politics/clinton-confronted-voter-thinks-record-shows-she-doesnt-care-african-americans/
  • BoatShoes
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1784093 wrote:No because I think Socialism is a lot broader than Marxism or Stalinism ..but that's just me.
    These words have all become meaningless in our political discourse
    The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies "something not desirable". The words democracy, socialism, freedom, patriotic,realistic, justice have each of them several different meanings which cannot be reconciled with one another...Words of this kind are often used in a consciously dishonest way. That is, the person who uses them has his own private definition, but allows his hearer to think he means something quite different.
    ^George Orwell on Political Language.

    It is way easier for people to just say "Commie!" rather than argue policies on the merits e.g.

    "Medicare for All would be unjust because it would mean I don't have the choice of choosing a private for-profit health insurance provider in a relatively free market for health insurance in my state in accord with the 10th Amendment of the Constitution even if that means we would still have a robust market economy with regard to most other goods and services."
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    BoatShoes;1784146 wrote:These words have all become meaningless in our political discourse



    ^George Orwell on Political Language.

    It is way easier for people to just say "Commie!" rather than argue policies on the merits e.g.

    "Medicare for All would be unjust because it would mean I don't have the choice of choosing a private for-profit health insurance provider in a relatively free market for health insurance in my state in accord with the 10th Amendment of the Constitution even if that means we would still have a robust market economy with regard to most other goods and services."
    People don't want to think beyond labels for the most part. Too hard on the brain. It's why we're pretty much screwed as a nation. We want things as simple as possible.
  • BoatShoes
    sleeper;1784132 wrote:Certainly seems that way although honestly at this point I wouldn't count Trump out. He's defied any conventional logic at this point and people also don't like Hillary either.
    This. I thought he was toast when he called John McCain a fake war hero. Nothing would surprise me at this point.
  • Wolves of Babylon
    BoatShoes;1784146 wrote:These words have all become meaningless in our political discourse



    ^George Orwell on Political Language.

    It is way easier for people to just say "Commie!" rather than argue policies on the merits e.g.

    "Medicare for All would be unjust because it would mean I don't have the choice of choosing a private for-profit health insurance provider in a relatively free market for health insurance in my state in accord with the 10th Amendment of the Constitution even if that means we would still have a robust market economy with regard to most other goods and services."
    I do agree with this. All this talk about Hitler, Facist, Marxists or racists is annoying and inaccurate.

    It is not racist to say" I don't think we should just have an open border with no laws or rules about admitting people to our country" just like believing Social Security is a good thing doesn't mean you're a Communist.

    You can have debates about policy without being labeled one extreme or the other. I am Libertarian but that doesn't mean I want total anarchy with no government at all.

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  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    I honestly do not believe the majority of Americans will buy his rhetoric, just because 30% of Republicans do. He will drive democrats to the polls and leave Republicans at home. Trump has no shot.
  • Dr Winston O'Boogie
    I think she'll break one of these days and throw her coffee into the face of someone that's confronting her. She clearly is PISSED when people do it. Her smile at the end reminded me of Anthony Hopkins playing Nixon and flashing that instant smile as soon as his brain said to him, "Okay, people are watching, time to look happy."
  • Dr Winston O'Boogie
    It is very difficult to listen to her talk about women being strong knowing that she gave her husband a pass for getting his knob shined in the friggin oval office.
  • like_that
    ptown_trojans_1;1784068 wrote:give me Clinton, because at least I know what I am getting.
    You do? She seems to change her stance any time the media or voters call her out on her previous stance on particular issues (I.e gay marriage).

    The only thing I know about her is she has no integrity and will say anything to get a vote.
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    like_that;1784164 wrote:You do? She seems to change her stance any time the media her voters call her out on her previous stance on particular issues (I.e gay marriage).

    The only thing I know about her is she has no integrity and will say anything to get a vote.

    This.
  • gut
    BoatShoes;1784146 wrote: "Medicare for All would be unjust because it would mean I don't have the choice of choosing a private for-profit health insurance provider
    Health Insurance providers have very little to do with the rising cost of healthcare. They have actually kept costs down trying to eke out a profit. Demagogues like to talk about the billions Insurance providers make, but the reality is they make very slim profit margins.

    Healthcare costs are driven by pharma and medical devices.
  • gut
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1784150 wrote:I honestly do not believe the majority of Americans will buy his rhetoric, just because 30% of Republicans do. He will drive democrats to the polls and leave Republicans at home. Trump has no shot.
    I'm not so sure....Trump starts talking single payer and protectionism he will pick up more Dem votes than you realize.
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    gut;1784170 wrote:I'm not so sure....Trump starts talking single payer and protectionism he will pick up more Dem votes than you realize.
    Yeah and he'll leave even more Republicans at home after that.
  • isadore
    gosh a ruddies Congratulations to Hillary Clinton on her electoral success on Super Tuesday. One more step toward her election as the first female President of the United States.
  • Dr Winston O'Boogie
    isadore;1784186 wrote: her election.
    You mean coronation. She has proven that she will say anything and do anything required to get the democratic lemmings to stay in line behind her. If she is elected, do you think she'll hire Stanley Steamer to take care of the carpets in Bill's old study? She's such a strong woman who believes in women's rights. Surely she won't want to look at that stained carpet while working.
  • ptown_trojans_1
    like_that;1784164 wrote:You do? She seems to change her stance any time the media or voters call her out on her previous stance on particular issues (I.e gay marriage).

    The only thing I know about her is she has no integrity and will say anything to get a vote.
    In terms of foreign policy, she is a typical liberal interventionist, she is a typical liberal on domestic policy, and she has a history of understanding and working in Government. We have more than 20 years of history. Trump, we have no clue how he will act in foreign policy, who he advisers are, and on domestic policy, he just says trust me.
    Based on that, at the very least, I know what Hilliary is. I have more faith in what Hilliary will do more than Trump just saying "trust me, I know."
  • isadore
    Dr Winston O'Boogie;1784192 wrote:You mean coronation. She has proven that she will say anything and do anything required to get the democratic lemmings to stay in line behind her. If she is elected, do you think she'll hire Stanley Steamer to take care of the carpets in Bill's old study? She's such a strong woman who believes in women's rights. Surely she won't want to look at that stained carpet while working.
    gosh a ruddies, your misogyny is showing. If it is a coronation it is because who the Republicans have to oppose her.

    Talk about stampeding, as the Republicans stampede toward a neo-fascist racist candidate, that is truly lemming like.
  • rrfan
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1784178 wrote:Yeah and he'll leave even more Republicans at home after that.
    You may want to wake up...the republicans are turning out in huge numbers...In fact the party seems to be growing under Trump. You may not like it but I think the establishment is receiving a very loud message that people are sick of the crap that has been going on. By the way Hillary is part of the Crap!
  • ptown_trojans_1
    rrfan;1784198 wrote:You may want to wake up...the republicans are turning out in huge numbers...In fact the party seems to be growing under Trump. You may not like it but I think the establishment is receiving a very loud message that people are sick of the crap that has been going on. By the way Hillary is part of the Crap!
    This is something to watch, but I'm not sure it translate yet to turning Blue states to Red. Turnout in Texas and the South is great for the R's now, but it is irrelevant in November. They need to continue to turn out more in Blue states. There, they can swing states like FL, OH, CO, and NM back to Red.

    On the flip, if Trump is the nominee, Hispanics may turn out in record numbers and offset any advantage in turnout the R's have.
    Def something to watch.
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    rrfan;1784198 wrote:You may want to wake up...the republicans are turning out in huge numbers...In fact the party seems to be growing under Trump. You may not like it but I think the establishment is receiving a very loud message that people are sick of the crap that has been going on. By the way Hillary is part of the Crap!

    And you may want to open your eyes. Trump will drive Dems who don't even like Hillary to vote for her just so they don't have a Trump presidency. Repubs are turning out in record numbers because that's what happens in elections when a 2 term president opposite of yours is leaving office. Repubs aren't overwhelmingly supporting Trump. Repubs aren't anywhere close to being behind Trump. He's winning because the party is too stupid to trim the field down. There's no way Donald Trump is ever the POTUS.
  • like_that
    ptown_trojans_1;1784193 wrote:In terms of foreign policy, she is a typical liberal interventionist, she is a typical liberal on domestic policy, and she has a history of understanding and working in Government. We have more than 20 years of history. Trump, we have no clue how he will act in foreign policy, who he advisers are, and on domestic policy, he just says trust me.
    Based on that, at the very least, I know what Hilliary is. I have more faith in what Hilliary will do more than Trump just saying "trust me, I know."
    I can actually see her being a warhawk to prove she is tough since she is a woman, but that's just pure speculation on my part.

    What if during the general Donald provided his advisors and you like those people? Would you second guess your vote for Hillary? Hillary may have 20 years of experience, but that's just a quantity. I don't think any reasonable person can say she has had a successful 20 years. She was mediocre at best as Secretary of State.