Hillary Clinton

• like_that

  

  Hillary is most likely going to win. The Dems have the media in the bag, a lot of people under estimate how stupid our voting base is, and as I have said before integrity is not much of a concern with voters these days.
• Automatik

  

  ^^^All of this and the Republicans aren't going to be able to put forth a worthy opponent.
  
  I doubt the majority of voters are even aware of Benghazi and the email situation.
• HitsRus

  

  like_that;1758432 wrote:Hillary is most likely going to win. The Dems have the media in the bag, a lot of people under estimate how stupid our voting base is, and as I have said before integrity is not much of a concern with voters these days.

  I agree with this, and I say that it just isn't the people who vote democrat.....Donald Trump leads the "R's" poll. SMH.
• Automatik

  

  Unfortunately it's very true.
  
  
  A quick convo between me and a fellow coworker. This just occurred 15 min ago.
  
  
  Her - "I would be so nervous if I was Hilary today"
  Me - "She's a lying crook"
  Her - "I'm sorry, I just don't care about her emails"
  
  I never use this term, but... SMH
• like_that

  

  Automatik;1758477 wrote:Unfortunately it's very true.
  
  
  A quick convo between me and a fellow coworker. This just occurred 15 min ago.
  
  
  Me - "She's a lying crook"
  Her - "I'm sorry, I just don't care about her emails"
  
  I never use this term, but... SMH

  I've had several convos like this in the past 6 months. Big reason on why I don't think integrity means that much to people these days.
  
  I've also had a democrat friend tell me how he despises Hillary. So I go on to ask him if he will vote for her if sanders doesn't win. He responded yes smh.
• BoatShoes

  like_that;1758479 wrote:I've had several convos like this in the past 6 months. Big reason on why I don't think integrity means that much to people these days.
  
  I've also had a democrat friend tell me how he despises Hillary. So I go on to ask him if he will vote for her if sanders doesn't win. He responded yes smh.

  Has it ever occurred to you that out of the roughly 100 million out of 120 million voters who are not inclined to hold strong conservative views, a large amount of them might not agree with your premise that Hillary Clinton does not have integrity?
  
  
  Also, in a two party system, would you expect a democratically-inclined person to vote for the Republican candidate? I certainly wouldn't. Indeed, I saw several threads the last time around wherein Romney supporters tried to argue that Libertarian voters were not using a sound voting strategy when choosing to vote for Gary Johnson because it would make a Barack Obama victory more likely.
  
  A Sanders fan could use similar reasoning when opting to support Hillary over Trump/Carson/Bush/Rubio, etc.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Lol the liberal democrat chimes in with a real knee slapper!
• BoatShoes

  SportsAndLady;1758483 wrote:Lol the liberal democrat chimes in with a real knee slapper!

  Aww, you're so cute :RpS_wub:
• BoatShoes

  HitsRus;1758454 wrote:I agree with this, and I say that it just isn't the people who vote democrat.....Donald Trump leads the "R's" poll. SMH.

  I think it is a mistake to refer to people who do not support the candidates we like as stupid. I personally have been shocked by the number of professional individuals who are supportive of Trump (at least in this stage of the game...I think they will eventually come around to a more establishment choice).
  
  But then again anti-immigration sentiment is often very persuasive and this goes above and beyond race. In the early 20th century when my family came to America from Germany there was a lot of anti-immigrate sentiment as well.
  
  
• Automatik

  

  BoatShoes;1758481 wrote:Has it ever occurred to you that out of the roughly 100 million out of 120 million voters who are not inclined to hold strong conservative views, a large amount of them might not agree with your premise that Hillary Clinton does not have integrity?
  
  
  Also, in a two party system, would you expect a democratically-inclined person to vote for the Republican candidate? I certainly wouldn't. Indeed, I saw several threads the last time around wherein Romney supporters tried to argue that Libertarian voters were not using a sound voting strategy when choosing to vote for Gary Johnson because it would make a Barack Obama victory more likely.
  
  A Sanders fan could use similar reasoning when opting to support Hillary over Trump/Carson/Bush/Rubio, etc.

  I definitely lean to the left, but I have no issue voting for a republican if their views are in line with mine. I also think Hilary is a trash human who would never get my vote.
• BoatShoes

  Automatik;1758490 wrote:I definitely lean to the left, but I have no issue voting for a republican if their views are in line with mine. I also think Hilary is a trash human who would never get my vote.

  Well sure! Do you see much overlap at all between anyone in the Republican field with any candidate in the Democratic field save perhaps Jim Webb? I don't.
  
  With that being said, I suspect millions of Americans do not believe Hillary to be a trash human being.
• Automatik

  

  BoatShoes;1758491 wrote:Well sure! Do you see much overlap at all between anyone in the Republican field with any candidate in the Democratic field save perhaps Jim Webb? I don't.
  
  With that being said, I suspect millions of Americans do not believe Hillary to be a trash human being.

  And I find that unsettling.
• BoatShoes

  Automatik;1758493 wrote:And I find that unsettling.

  Why do you believe her to be a trash human being?
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Automatik;1758490 wrote:I definitely lean to the left, but I have no issue voting for a republican if their views are in line with mine. I also think Hilary is a trash human who would never get my vote.

  I'm with you on this. I'm a far left leaning voter, but have voted for conservative candidates int he past. Hilary sucks, but I'd still prob vote for her over what the republicans trout out there. I dont really like any candidate thus far TBPH. Really ahte what the freedom caucus has been able to do, and want to try and keep their minority power limited.
• Heretic

  

  Commander of Awesome;1758495 wrote:I'm with you on this. I'm a far left leaning voter, but have voted for conservative candidates int he past. Hilary sucks, but I'd still prob vote for her over what the republicans trout out there. I dont really like any candidate thus far TBPH. Really ahte what the freedom caucus has been able to do, and want to try and keep their minority power limited.

  I think the problem is that you have two kinds of candidate right now.
  
  1. The bland homogenized sort of person who's generally boring and noncontroversial enough to get a reasonable amount of support, but will be hated by the people at the far ends of either party's spectrum.
  
  2. The wingnut type who's good at firing up their party's far end, but is considered a bit of a nutcase by anyone who doesn't personally subscribe to their beliefs.
  
  The former type is just too "meh" for a person to really care about -- more of the "I guess they're as good as we'll get so whatever..." candidate, while the latter generally gets exposed as time goes on because their views simply aren't aligned with those of enough people (or enough influential people) to be taken seriously over the long run.
• like_that

  

  BoatShoes;1758481 wrote:Has it ever occurred to you that out of the roughly 100 million out of 120 million voters who are not inclined to hold strong conservative views, a large amount of them might not agree with your premise that Hillary Clinton does not have integrity?
  
  
  Also, in a two party system, would you expect a democratically-inclined person to vote for the Republican candidate? I certainly wouldn't. Indeed, I saw several threads the last time around wherein Romney supporters tried to argue that Libertarian voters were not using a sound voting strategy when choosing to vote for Gary Johnson because it would make a Barack Obama victory more likely.
  
  A Sanders fan could use similar reasoning when opting to support Hillary over Trump/Carson/Bush/Rubio, etc.

  Uhh if you ever see me saying I hate somebody, you won't see me voting for them left or right. If it came down to the **** bag Hillary vs somebody from the GOP I don't care for, then I simply won't vote. Not sure what is so hard to comprehend, but go on and write another novel justifying somebody voting for somebody they openly hate.
• QuakerOats

  BoatShoes;1758488 wrote:I think it is a mistake to refer to people who do not support the candidates we like as stupid. I personally have been shocked by the number of professional individuals who are supportive of Trump (at least in this stage of the game...I think they will eventually come around to a more establishment choice).
  
  But then again anti-immigration sentiment is often very persuasive and this goes above and beyond race. In the early 20th century when my family came to America from Germany there was a lot of anti-immigrate sentiment as well.

  It is not 'anti-immigration'; it is:
  
  Anti-illegal immigration
  granting benefits to illegals
  allowing illegals to stay illegally
  watching illegals who have been allowed to stay illegally (by liberals) kill innocent, and legal, Americans
  
  ......... on top of a very strong ANTI-WASHINGTON DC movement.
  
  
  Maybe some day you will understand, or you may now but just want to misrepresent the truth for some odd reason.
• QuakerOats

  Automatik;1758477 wrote:Unfortunately it's very true.
  
  
  A quick convo between me and a fellow coworker. This just occurred 15 min ago.
  
  
  Her - "I would be so nervous if I was Hilary today"
  Me - "She's a lying crook"
  Her - "I'm sorry, I just don't care about her emails"
  
  I never use this term, but... SMH

  
  
  And the emails are a mere 1% of her portfolio of deceit, deception, and dishonesty.
  
  Incredible.
• BoatShoes

  like_that;1758498 wrote:Uhh if you ever see me saying I hate somebody, you won't see me voting for them left or right. If it came down to the **** bag Hillary vs somebody from the GOP I don't care for, then I simply won't vote. Not sure what is so hard to comprehend, but go on and write another novel justifying somebody voting for somebody they openly hate.

  My guess is you're taking the word "hate" a little too literally.
• BoatShoes

  QuakerOats;1758500 wrote:It is not 'anti-immigration'; it is:
  
  Anti-illegal immigration
  granting benefits to illegals
  allowing illegals to stay illegally
  watching illegals who have been allowed to stay illegally (by liberals) kill innocent, and legal, Americans
  
  ......... on top of a very strong ANTI-WASHINGTON DC movement.
  
  
  Maybe some day you will understand, or you may now but just want to misrepresent the truth for some odd reason.

  Trump supporters like Ann Coulter want a moratorium on legal immigration as well.
• BoatShoes

  QuakerOats;1758500 wrote:It is not 'anti-immigration'; it is:
  
  Anti-illegal immigration
  granting benefits to illegals
  allowing illegals to stay illegally
  watching illegals who have been allowed to stay illegally (by liberals) kill innocent, and legal, Americans
  
  ......... on top of a very strong ANTI-WASHINGTON DC movement.
  
  
  Maybe some day you will understand, or you may now but just want to misrepresent the truth for some odd reason.

  It is also interesting that you only blame liberals for all of this alleged mayhem when Trump supporters equally blame George W. Bush, Paul Ryan, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, Lyndsey Graham, etc. hmmm....
• like_that

  

  BoatShoes;1758506 wrote:My guess is you're taking the word "hate" a little too literally.

  Lol no, but nice try again!
• BoatShoes

  like_that;1758519 wrote:Lol no, but nice try again!

  Your friend is a Sanders fan, yes? Does he hate conservatives/republican ideas/values as much or more than he hates Hillary? If so, not hard to see why he might hold his nose and vote for Hillary whereas some might view abstaining from voting to be the better choice.
• like_that

  

  BoatShoes;1758526 wrote:Your friend is a Sanders fan, yes? Does he hate conservatives/republican ideas/values as much or more than he hates Hillary? If so, not hard to see why he might hold his nose and vote for Hillary whereas some might view abstaining from voting to be the better choice.

  Wrong again! Keep trying to interpret a convo you were never a part of though, it's bringing the lulz.
  
  Classic know it all liberal even thinks he knows more about my friend than I do.
• QuakerOats

  BoatShoes;1758508 wrote:It is also interesting that you only blame liberals for all of this alleged mayhem when Trump supporters equally blame George W. Bush, Paul Ryan, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, Lyndsey Graham, etc. hmmm....

  
  It was the democrats (only) who just this week blocked the anti-sanctuary city bill in the senate. It is the democrats who are buying votes from the immigrants, illegal immigrants, and felony illegal immigrants. But then, you knew that.