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  • isadore
    Belly35;1695356 wrote:I got mine, screw you

    other side said…

    You fucker, I’m entitled
    Thank you for your opinion, I truly appreciate an honest man even if he is greedy and selfish.
  • isadore
    for public education to be "public" it must be open for all and paid for by tax revenue of the citizenry.
  • Con_Alma
    isadore;1695359 wrote:yours is just a continuing attempt to undermine public education.
    Lol....Why would I do that. Me and my wife are products of it and in addition, doing do would impact my children and maybe some day grandchildren.

    Can you help me better understand the rational behind asking middle class taxpayers to pay for those who are willing and able to do so on their own?
  • Con_Alma
    isadore;1695361 wrote:for public education to be "public" it must be open for all and paid for by tax revenue of the citizenry.
    That might be your definition but public education doesn't have to be paid for in full for all to still be public education.
  • isadore
    Con_Alma;1695362 wrote:Lol....Why would I do that. Me and my wife are products of it and in addition, doing do would impact my children and maybe some day grandchildren.

    Can you help me better understand the rational behind asking middle class taxpayers to pay for those who are willing and able to do so on their own?
    why should middle class folks pay for rich kids to go to elementary and secondary school? Public education is funded by tax dollars of the citizenry to provide that service to all. Post secondary education should be part of public education.
  • isadore
    Con_Alma;1695363 wrote:That might be your definition but public education doesn't have to be paid for in full for all to still be public education.
    and a major problem in state education today is the fact that tax contribution to state schools is diminishing so tuitions rises.
  • Con_Alma
    isadore;1695366 wrote:why should middle class folks pay for rich kids to go to elementary and secondary school? Public education is funded by tax dollars of the citizenry to provide that service to all. Post secondary education should be part of public education.
    That's a good question. I think the answer is because it a basic level of education. I don't think college level services are deemed by society to be a basic level of services.

    Didn't we speak of this already when you brought up the police and private security services?
  • Con_Alma
    isadore;1695367 wrote:and a major problem in state education today is the fact that tax contribution to state schools is diminishing so tuitions rises.
    What? The State of Ohio contributed more total dollars to education last year than ever before.
  • isadore
    Merriam Webster- public school
    “a free tax-supported school controlled by a local governmental authority “
  • isadore
    Con_Alma;1695369 wrote:What? The State of Ohio contributed more total dollars to education last year than ever before.
    and there percentage support for college education continuously declines
  • gut
    isadore;1695331 wrote:you got yours, screw the rest. Post secondary education should be a basic right. Of course it is hardly a surprise, you would oppose granting them that right. In the past you would have denied every extension of education to the oppressed and disadvantaged.
    I paid for mine, and you should pay for yours. So where's my free 2 years of tuition - I want reparations!!! Perhaps after you've made me whole I will then be able to afford to contribute toward your degree.

    Or you only tax people currently 20 and going forward such that the program is ultimately funded by people receiving the benefits (sort of like social security).
  • isadore
    Con_Alma;1695368 wrote:That's a good question. I think the answer is because it a basic level of education. I don't think college level services are deemed by society to be a basic level of services.

    Didn't we speak of this already when you brought up the police and private security services?
    and folks like you once said that about primary education, secondary education, police and fire protection.
  • Belly35
    Many be only property owners and those with a morgage should vote for public school issue... along with those who can provide proof of employment....
  • isadore
    gut;1695372 wrote:I paid for mine, and you should pay for yours. So where's my free 2 years of tuition - I want reparations!!! Perhaps after you've made me whole I will then be able to afford to contribute toward your degree.

    Or you only tax people currently 20 and going forward such that the program is ultimately funded by people receiving the benefits (sort of like social security).
    tsk, tsk, tsk, screw those in need. Hardly surprise from those that have.
  • Con_Alma
    isadore;1695370 wrote:Merriam Webster- public school
    “a free tax-supported school controlled by a local governmental authority “
    Our primary education system doesn't even fit that definition. My kids had to pay "fees". Lets fix that first.

    Here's another definition. seems there's some debate with regards to what it exactly is!

    [h=2]http://www.thefreedictionary.com/public+schoolpublic school[/h]n.1. An elementary or secondary school in the United States supported by public funds and providing free education for children of a community or district.

    Notice is states elementary or secondary.
  • isadore
    Belly35;1695374 wrote:Many be only property owners and those with a morgage should vote for public school issue... along with those who can provide proof of employment....
    anything to limit suffrage in America to an elite and deprive those without resources of basic rights.
  • Con_Alma
    isadore;1695373 wrote:and folks like you once said that about primary education, secondary education, police and fire protection.

    It's the case. We don't currently provide free post secondary education to everybody.

    Why should we charge the middle class taxes to pay for those who are able and willing to do so?
  • Con_Alma
    isadore;1695379 wrote:anything to limit suffrage in America to an elite and deprive those without resources of basic rights.
    Where is it stated as a basic right to receive "free" collegiate level services?
  • isadore
    Con_Alma;1695376 wrote:Our primary education system doesn't even fit that definition. My kids had to pay "fees". Lets fix that first.

    Here's another definition. seems there's some debate with regards to what it exactly is!

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/public+schoolpublic school

    n.1. An elementary or secondary school in the United States supported by public funds and providing free education for children of a community or district.

    Notice is states elementary or secondary.
    there should be no fees, there should be no pay to play. Hey that definition 100 years ago with have been for elementary education but it evolved, and now it is taking the next natural step to post secondary education.
  • gut
    isadore;1695375 wrote:tsk, tsk, tsk, screw those in need. Hardly surprise from those that have.
    nope...people receiving the benefit should fund that benefit. That is the essence of social insurance.

    You can't whine about being screwed when you're seeking to stick people who already paid their own way with the bill.
  • isadore
    Con_Alma;1695383 wrote:Where is it stated as a basic right to receive "free" collegiate level services?
    the same argument could have been made in the not so distant past against providing secondary education. society has advanced in the educational needs of the citizen.
  • isadore
    gut;1695385 wrote:nope...people receiving the benefit should fund that benefit. That is the essence of social insurance.

    You can't whine about being screwed when you're seeking to stick people who already paid their own way with the bill.
    education is not a social insurance. At one time people who paid to go to elementary school got stuck to pay for public education. Later those who paid to go to secondary school got stuck paying for the secondary education of others. Post secondary education has become a right like elementary and secondary education.
  • gut
    isadore;1695388 wrote:Post secondary education has become a right
    only according to the entitled generation. And how does a "right" to a post-secondary education not already exist? Who is prevented from attending college other than, as mentioned, the stupid?
  • isadore
    gut;1695390 wrote:only according to the entitled generation. And how does a "right" to a post-secondary education not already exist? Who is prevented from attending college other than, as mentioned, the stupid?
    millions
  • gut
    isadore;1695391 wrote:millions
    Agreed. There are literally millions of stupid people who college is not an option for.