a tea party hero bites the dust

• isadore

  gut;1609285 wrote:While I don't think the full video was much better than the edited one...one of the things I did pick-up and understand was his point (poorly stated) about not being better off just a slave to a different master.
  
  The word choices bothered me, but I thought worse was the way he was talking AT these different groups. And the gross oversimplification that ignore all the progress that has been made. Blacks may be disproportionately poor, but being a slave to uncle sugar is purely an ignorant/lazy thing.
  
  He's really not saying anything different than most do about welfare and big gubmit, he's just a dumb hick that's really bad at communication who doesn't know how to sanitize his comments so as not to offend.
  
  I don't think he's a racist or hates those groups he's just hopelessly ignorant. I tend to think of someone with biased or prejudice (both of which are pretty natural for everyone) as bigots (that portion stemming from basic ignorance), but people who act on that to cause harm are racists.

  Anyone who uses that analogy has no comprehension of what chattel slavery in the antebellum South was.
• like_that

  

  isadore;1609305 wrote:Oh God what an atrocity those teen agers committed. Some people just spend their lives looking for any example to support their prejudices.

  Would you want your kids acting like that?
• isadore

  like_that;1609315 wrote:Would you want your kids acting like that?

  have I seen kids of variety of ethnic groups and socio economic classes acting like jerks in similar situations, yep. did I use it as a way to pass a blanket judgment on a whole ethnic group, nope.
• QuakerOats

  isadore;1609303 wrote:ripping off the government on a yearly basis for decades, why that is good old tea party tax dodging racist, cliven bundy
  
  "When the grazing fee was first instituted on the forest reserves it was often referred to as a property tax. Permits quantified a certain number of AUMs, (animal-unit-months or the amount of feed required for one cow for one month,) as descriptive of a grazer's pre-existing rights of use. The grazing "tax" was based on the value of that level of use in AUMs as property. The term "tax" was used almost universally in newspaper reports in the west from 1905 for a decade or more. (The notion of grazing taxes is discussed at length in McCarthy Hour of Trial: The Conservation Conflict in Colorado and the West, 1891-1907 pp. 161-164.)

  
  
  You can't answer the question.
• isadore

  gosh a ruddies
  lets see grazing fees were considered a tax
  cliven bundy is a racist, tea party tax evader
  and he and is ilk are prime examples of the government providing welfare to multi generational deadbeats
  
  Across the west, the BLM and U.S. Forest Service manage 13.3 million AUMs (Animal Unit Months) on 250 million acres of public land. One month of grazing one cow/calf combination or five sheep (the definition of an AUM) costs $1.35—a fee that’s substantially below the present-day cost of $16-$20 per month to graze livestock on private land (BLM evidence of this disparity is noted
  here.) The direct loss to taxpayers, according to Wild Earth Guardians’ interpretation of GAO data, is huge: at least $123 million a year. Indirect but related costs push the total to as much as $1 billion, all to produce less than 3% of the nation’s beef supply.
  
  
  http://www.forbes.com/sites/vickeryeckhoff/2014/04/25/federal-grazing-program-in-bundy-dispute-rips-off-taxpayers-wild-horses/
• rmolin73

  

  Lol
• Gblock

  Can't wait for the OC to start defending clippers owner Donald sterling today
• like_that

  

  Gblock;1609476 wrote:Can't wait for the OC to start defending clippers owner Donald sterling today

  Doubtful, there is a difference between logic and pure hatred. Sorry you can't understand the difference.
  
  If the OC did do that though, I wouldn't be surprise to see you bitch about it and then come back a few weeks later making racist remarks toward Mexicans.
• pmoney25

  

  Gblock;1609476 wrote:Can't wait for the OC to start defending clippers owner Donald sterling today

  He clearly didn't want Magic there because of Magic having the hiv not because he was black.
• Gblock

  Get a sense of humor dude let it go
• Gblock

  Like that so u see logic in the op statements?
• like_that

  

  Gblock;1609538 wrote:Like that so u see logic in the op statements?

  It's a bit extreme, but the majority of the thread hasn't echoed his statements.
• Con_Alma

  [video=youtube;vu_YKgGRFZ8][/video]
  
  Loyal employee. Spouting the company line.
• SportsAndLady

  

  I live in Chicago and echo everything sleeper and like that have said.
  
  It's fucking pathetic to watch people continue to make excuses instead of going out and getting a fucking job.
• isadore

  SportsAndLady;1609560 wrote:I live in Chicago and echo everything sleeper and like that have said.
  
  It's fucking pathetic to watch people continue to make excuses instead of going out and getting a fucking job.

  I appreciate your input Mr. Bundy. Of course Mr. like that has been shown to be dealing in stereotypes. Mr. Sleeper claimed black teen pregnancy rates were rising and their graduation rate was falling when the inverse was true. But of course you would "echo everything they say," because they support your prejudices.
• cruiser_96

  

  isadore;1609566 wrote:I appreciate your input Mr. Bundy. Of course Mr. like that has been shown to be dealing in stereotypes. Mr. Sleeper claimed black teen pregnancy rates were rising and their graduation rate was falling when the inverse was true. But of course you would "echo everything they say," because they support your prejudices.

  You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you? Do you not realize that grad rates going up for African-Americans is IMPOSSIBLE!?!?!?!?! THEY WERE SLAVES during the early portions of our nation's history!!!!! Or did you not know that???
• cruiser_96

  

  Con_Alma;1609558 wrote:[video=youtube;vu_YKgGRFZ8][/video]
  
  Loyal employee. Spouting the company line.

  Obviously this "employee" is a racist.
• isadore

  cruiser_96;1609567 wrote:You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you? Do you not realize that grad rates going up for African-Americans is IMPOSSIBLE!?!?!?!?! THEY WERE SLAVES during the early portions of our nation's history!!!!! Or did you not know that???

  Gosh a ruddies what have we heard from Mr. Bundy and his acolytes on this thread, those you chose to defend. Denigration of blacks, one insult after another. But what do we see when we examine the facts.
  Despite handicaps placed on no other ethnic group in American history, despite slavery and jim crow black have made some gains while still burden with the long term effect of the African diaspora and euro-American racism.
• cruiser_96

  

  So you did or didn't know blacks were slaves during the early portion of our nation's history??????
• Gblock

  If u base ur opinion on the black race from looking at inner city Chicago your views are really skewed... They don't speak for everyone
• isadore

  cruiser_96;1609580 wrote:So you did or didn't know blacks were slaves during the early portion of our nation's history??????

  yes Mr. Bundy
• SportsAndLady

  

  Gblock;1609583 wrote:If I base ur opinion on the black race from looking at inner city Chicago your views are really skewed... They don't speak for everyone

  English. Speak English.
• rmolin73

  

  I find the comments about black people intriguing whenever someone white puts their foot in their mouth.
• gut

  rmolin73;1609625 wrote:I find the comments about black people intriguing whenever someone white puts their foot in their mouth.

  Well, generally speaking, a black person can't put their foot in their mouth without gubmit help
• rmolin73

  

  gut;1609627 wrote:Well, generally speaking, a black person can't put their foot in their mouth without gubmit help

  Yes because all black people look to the government for help. Generally speaking that is.