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  • Manhattan Buckeye
    isadore;1555664 wrote:Gosh you are mistaken, his name is Barack, not Richard. You are also incorrect that he is not your President. With his reelection in November, 2012 he continue to be the President of all the residents of the United States until January, 2017.
    Some of us aren't resident.
  • gut
    Manhattan Buckeye;1555704 wrote:Some of us aren't resident.
    Technically still your POTUS unless you renounce.
  • Belly35
    isadore;1555664 wrote:Gosh you are mistaken, his name is Barack, not Richard. You are also incorrect that he is not your President. With his reelection in November, 2012 he continue to be the President of all the residents of the United States until January, 2017.


    He holds a Public Servant Office nothing more and just like any other Office holder the title comes with the territory but holding that title and earning the honor and respect of that title is a different story.
    Unlike you, with that Obama, Democrat Socialist Party, Union Slavery nose ring firmly in place I’m my own man. No man is better that I am, I am equal to or better than, never less, I set the standard for whom I respect and admire, in my world you earn the right to be my friend, with that comes dedication, earn the right to hold titles and with that comes support and respect and you earn respect, honor … nothing worth anything if it is just given ... Obama has earned nothing, does not represent any aspect of my value, morals, standard and patriotism …. Not my President .... just a Public Servant at best
  • isadore
    Belly35;1555755 wrote:He holds a Public Servant Office nothing more and just like any other Office holder the title comes with the territory but holding that title and earning the honor and respect of that title is a different story.
    Unlike you, with that Obama, Democrat Socialist Party, Union Slavery nose ring firmly in place I’m my own man. No man is better that I am, I am equal to or better than, never less, I set the standard for whom I respect and admire, in my world you earn the right to be my friend, with that comes dedication, earn the right to hold titles and with that comes support and respect and you earn respect, honor … nothing worth anything if it is just given ... Obama has earned nothing, does not represent any aspect of my value, morals, standard and patriotism …. Not my President .... just a Public Servant at best
    Is pomposity a sin? If so, pray to be cleansed of it.
  • Belly35
    isadore;1555764 wrote:Is pomposity a sin? If so, pray to be cleansed of it.
    You're clueless .... You call it pomposity because you've been brain washed to except what the boss man Union tells you, follow what the Democrat Organizer direct you, don't make your own decision you're not capable, here a few crums of entitlement take it you'll get more of some one else later.... You cant think for yourself, set standard or control your destined ....why you have no ......Self esteem, confidence and spirit of individuality
  • Heretic
    Belly35;1555755 wrote:He holds a Public Servant Office nothing more and just like any other Office holder the title comes with the territory but holding that title and earning the honor and respect of that title is a different story.
    Unlike you, with that Obama, Democrat Socialist Party, Union Slavery nose ring firmly in place I’m my own man. No man is better that I am, I am equal to or better than, never less, I set the standard for whom I respect and admire, in my world you earn the right to be my friend, with that comes dedication, earn the right to hold titles and with that comes support and respect and you earn respect, honor … nothing worth anything if it is just given ... Obama has earned nothing, does not represent any aspect of my value, morals, standard and patriotism …. Not my President .... just a Public Servant at best
    If you're better than other men, then there are men better than you around here somewhere. One cannot simply choose to put themselves on a pedestal.
  • isadore
    Belly35;1555919 wrote:You're clueless .... You call it pomposity because you've been brain washed to except what the boss man Union tells you, follow what the Democrat Organizer direct you, don't make your own decision you're not capable, here a few crums of entitlement take it you'll get more of some one else later.... You cant think for yourself, set standard or control your destined ....why you have no ......Self esteem, confidence and spirit of individuality
    lol want a load of cant.
  • Belly35
    Heretic;1555928 wrote:If you're better than other men, then there are men better than you around here somewhere. One cannot simply choose to put themselves on a pedestal.
    People like you who question their self worth, self esteem and value as an individual, I welcome people who are better that me, those people make me better. I'm not intimidate by anyone but you are. I believe in myself and my believe in God gives me strength to over come. That is my confidence, esteem and value, I don't compromise those standard and just except being the meek and weak.
  • isadore
    Belly35 wrote:I'm not intimidate by anyone but you are. I believe in myself and my believe in God gives me strength to over come. That is my confidence, esteem and value, I don't compromise those standard and just except being the meek and weak.
    You should not be very confident in your ability to communicate.
  • Belly35
    isadore;1556045 wrote:You should not be very confident in your ability to communicate.
    My writing skills is not my strength but I know this but that does not damper my self esteem or confidents. I communicate very day with all aspect of engineering, marketing personal, financial department, UK, China and Germany business men and their engineer staff, I sit in meeting of CEO and their department heads, community leaders ... Many of those depend on my insight, recommendation, guidance and ideas.
  • dwccrew
    QuakerOats;1539945 wrote:Right here, enjoying the greatest economic expansion in history combined with the highest confidence levels we've had. Of course, that is what happens in a free republic when it is led by those who defend individual liberty and understand that free markets are the greatest solution to the human condition. Contrast that with the current, totalitarian regime which is hell bent on destroying every institution and economic foundation that made this the greatest nation on the earth.

    Good luck.
    Ummm, that was not under Reagan's presidency. That was decades earlier after WW2.
  • believer
    dwccrew;1556112 wrote:Ummm, that was not under Reagan's presidency. That was decades earlier after WW2.
    While it is true that America enjoyed sustained economic expansion after WWII, that ended rather abruptly in the mid-70's with back-to-back steep recessions fueled by inflation, stagnation, and an artificial fuel "crisis".

    The greatest sustained burst of peacetime economic expansion is arguably the period from the early 1980's through the early 1990's fueled by gubmint deregulation and tax cuts under President Reagan. While we are currently enduring the Great Recession, many labeled the Reagan years as the Great Expansion.
  • Manhattan Buckeye
    ^^^

    This is correct, but I also think Clinton deserves some credit. In 2013 he would be considered a Republican, and although he talks up the Democrat party he is a DINO (Democrat in name only) - it is his wife that this the nutty one, and he reeled here in during his Presidency. The '01 - '03 recession wasn't good but we recovered well until the '07 credit crash and the '08 stock market crash. Other than the market recovering (due to Bernanke's policies - we'll see what happens there) there hasn't been any semblance of economic recovery. Under the Obama administration we're mortgaging our future for short-term benefits and promises without developing a base to fund these promises.
  • Heretic
    Belly35;1555994 wrote:People like you who question their self worth, self esteem and value as an individual, I welcome people who are better that me, those people make me better. I'm not intimidate by anyone but you are. I believe in myself and my believe in God gives me strength to over come. That is my confidence, esteem and value, I don't compromise those standard and just except being the meek and weak.
    lol, I don't need the crutch of religion to give me strength, so that already puts me one rung higher on the ladder. Bow down to a superior man, Belly!
  • HitsRus
    Obama vs. Reagan.... and it's not even close

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/08/reagan_vs_obama_its_not_even_close.html


    QQ it's a conservative source.

    clearly none of you lived during the stagflation of the late 70's.
  • Manhattan Buckeye
    HitsRus;1556259 wrote:Obama vs. Reagan.... and it's not even close

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/08/reagan_vs_obama_its_not_even_close.html


    QQ it's a conservative source.

    clearly none of you lived during the stagflation of the late 70's.
    I did. It sucked. Most of my early childhood involved my father cutting as many coupons as he could, driving 10 year old vw bugs (I will never drive a Volkswagen.), and many meals of vienna sausages and bologna....which I will never eat again. The Carter years were awful. Today isn't so bad because our technological advances have made hunger a non-issue (if anything we're too fat). However, our young people are seeing a future where they may never have any type of career.
  • isadore
    What about the 4 American killed at the Benghazi attack, what a failure intelligence and security, Reagan would never do that
    But gosh
    Beirut, Lebanon
    April, 1983
    17 Americans among the 63 killed in bombing of US embassy bombing
    October, 1983
    220 Marines, 18 sailors, 3 soldiers among the 299 people killed in a Beirut barracks
    The sentries at the gate were operating under
    rules of engagement which made it very difficult to respond quickly to the truck. Sentries were ordered to keep their weapons at condition four (no magazine inserted and no rounds in the chamber).
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing
     
    And that Obama and our national debt, ronnie wouldn’t do that
    But gosh he tripled it.
    national debt rose from $900 billion to $2.8 trillion during Reagan's tenure
     
  • Belly35
    Heretic;1556234 wrote:lol, I don't need the crutch of religion to give me strength, so that already puts me one rung higher on the ladder. Bow down to a superior man, Belly![/QUOT

    really ... Tell me in the next three week how superior your life is.....
  • dwccrew
    believer;1556150 wrote:While it is true that America enjoyed sustained economic expansion after WWII, that ended rather abruptly in the mid-70's with back-to-back steep recessions fueled by inflation, stagnation, and an artificial fuel "crisis".

    The greatest sustained burst of peacetime economic expansion is arguably the period from the early 1980's through the early 1990's fueled by gubmint deregulation and tax cuts under President Reagan. While we are currently enduring the Great Recession, many labeled the Reagan years as the Great Expansion.

    Actually, after a quick bit of research, I think we are both incorrect. I believe the Gilded age (1880-1910) was the greatest economic periods and growth in US history. When the titans like Rockefellar, Carnegie and Morgan put the US on the map as an economic power. JMO, I am sure one could argue any of the three periods, but this is what I believe.
  • Heretic
    Belly35;1556413 wrote:
    Heretic;1556234 wrote:lol, I don't need the crutch of religion to give me strength, so that already puts me one rung higher on the ladder. Bow down to a superior man, Belly![/QUOT

    really ... Tell me in the next three week how superior your life is.....
    Okay. Starting with last night and today: AWESOME! Hung out at a friend's and hit up a pretty good party with a lot of warm Apple Pie shine. Crashed. Woke up today, had breakfast and got my Christmas shopping done. Now just have to do an hour or two worth of work and I'm off until Tuesday, where I'll work one day and have Christmas off.

    No complaints here! I mean, when OU likely gets hammer-fucked by East Carolina in their low-level bowl tomorrow afternoon, that'll be a bit of a bummer. But I'll get by. My life is kickin'!
  • jmog
    HitsRus;1556259 wrote:Obama vs. Reagan.... and it's not even close

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/08/reagan_vs_obama_its_not_even_close.html


    QQ it's a conservative source.

    clearly none of you lived during the stagflation of the late 70's.
    I want any liberal to read this article, look through all the statistical graphs, and please tell me how Obama is doing a good job coming out of the recession?

    Please don't ever compare Obama to Reagan again, it is a joke.
  • jmog
    isadore;1556311 wrote:What about the 4 American killed at the Benghazi attack, what a failure intelligence and security, Reagan would never do that
    But gosh
    Beirut, Lebanon
    April, 1983
    17 Americans among the 63 killed in bombing of US embassy bombing
    October, 1983
    220 Marines, 18 sailors, 3 soldiers among the 299 people killed in a Beirut barracks
    The sentries at the gate were operating under
    rules of engagement which made it very difficult to respond quickly to the truck. Sentries were ordered to keep their weapons at condition four (no magazine inserted and no rounds in the chamber).
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing
     
    And that Obama and our national debt, ronnie wouldn’t do that
    But gosh he tripled it.
    national debt rose from $900 billion to $2.8 trillion during Reagan's tenure
     
    Did you fail high school government class? Congress controls the finances.

    Take a look, since the 70s, when the democrats control Congress, the debt/GDP ratio goes up. When the republicans control Congress, it goes down.

    Imagine that...

  • isadore
    jmog;1556669 wrote:Did you fail high school government class? Congress controls the finances.

    Take a look, since the 70s, when the democrats control Congress, the debt/GDP ratio goes up. When the republicans control Congress, it goes down.

    Imagine that...

    Can you read your own chart. The biggest expansion and peak are WWII. Defeating the Nazis and Japanese was kind of expensive.
    Then what do we see. Fall under Ike, fall under JFK and LBJ, Fall under Nixon, Rise under Ford, Fall under Carter, Precipitous rise under Reagan and Bush, Fall under Clinton, Precipitous rise under Bush, rise under Obama

    And now for your civic lesson. Presidents with their Office of Management and Budget draw up the Federal Budget, then Congress can make changes in it that are then sent to the President in a series of appropriation bills. Then President can then veto any of those appropriation bills of which he disapproves.
    Congress can then try to override the veto. All these Presidents had veto
    Reagan for example had 17 vetoes
    4 overridden. Only one of those bills were appropriations bill. He went with all the rest of that spending that gave us that tripling of the debts. No where he was overridden more often in his efforts to protect racism here and in South Africa.
    July 8, 1982: Vetoed H.R. 6198, A bill to amend the manufacturing clause of the copyright law. Overridden by House, 324-86 (274 needed). Overridden by Senate, 84-9 (62 needed), and enacted as Pub.L. 97–215 over President's veto.
    August 28, 1982: Vetoed H.R. 6863, Supplemental Appopriations Act, 1982. Overridden by House, 301-117 (279 needed). Overridden by Senate, 60-30 (60 needed), and enacted as Pub.L. 97–257 over President's veto
    September 26, 1986: Vetoed, H.R. 4868, Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act. Overridden by House, 292-133 (284 needed). Overridden by Senate, 73-24 (65 needed), and enacted as Pub.L. 99–440 over President's veto
    March 16, 1988: Vetoed S. 557, Civil Rights Restoration Act of 1987. Overridden by House, 313-83 (264 needed). Overridden by Senate, 78-21 (66 needed), and enacted as Pub.L. 100–259 over President's veto.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes#Ronald_Reagan
  • isidore
    isadore;1556704 wrote:Can you read your own chart. The biggest expansion and peak are WWII. Defeating the Nazis and Japanese was kind of expensive.
    Then what do we see. Fall under Ike, fall under JFK and LBJ, Fall under Nixon, Rise under Ford, Fall under Carter, Precipitous rise under Reagan and Bush, Fall under Clinton, Precipitous rise under Bush, rise under Obama

    And now for your civic lesson. Presidents with their Office of Management and Budget draw up the Federal Budget, then Congress can make changes in it that are then sent to the President in a series of appropriation bills. Then President can then veto any of those appropriation bills of which he disapproves.
    Congress can then try to override the veto. All these Presidents had veto
    Reagan for example had 17 vetoes
    4 overridden. Only one of those bills were appropriations bill. He went with all the rest of that spending that gave us that tripling of the debts. No where he was overridden more often in his efforts to protect racism here and in South Africa.
    July 8, 1982: Vetoed H.R. 6198, A bill to amend the manufacturing clause of the copyright law. Overridden by House, 324-86 (274 needed). Overridden by Senate, 84-9 (62 needed), and enacted as Pub.L. 97–215 over President's veto.
    August 28, 1982: Vetoed H.R. 6863, Supplemental Appopriations Act, 1982. Overridden by House, 301-117 (279 needed). Overridden by Senate, 60-30 (60 needed), and enacted as Pub.L. 97–257 over President's veto
    September 26, 1986: Vetoed, H.R. 4868, Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act. Overridden by House, 292-133 (284 needed). Overridden by Senate, 73-24 (65 needed), and enacted as Pub.L. 99–440 over President's veto
    March 16, 1988: Vetoed S. 557, Civil Rights Restoration Act of 1987. Overridden by House, 313-83 (264 needed). Overridden by Senate, 78-21 (66 needed), and enacted as Pub.L. 100–259 over President's veto.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes#Ronald_Reagan
    gosh a ruddies!!! such anger can only come from a heart that is closed to peace with diverse people. i hope you find the path to redemption.
  • isidore
    isadore;1556311 wrote:What about the 4 American killed at the Benghazi attack, what a failure intelligence and security, Reagan would never do that
    But gosh
    Beirut, Lebanon
    April, 1983
    17 Americans among the 63 killed in bombing of US embassy bombing
    October, 1983
    220 Marines, 18 sailors, 3 soldiers among the 299 people killed in a Beirut barracks
    The sentries at the gate were operating under
    rules of engagement which made it very difficult to respond quickly to the truck. Sentries were ordered to keep their weapons at condition four (no magazine inserted and no rounds in the chamber).
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing
     
    And that Obama and our national debt, ronnie wouldn’t do that
    But gosh he tripled it.
    national debt rose from $900 billion to $2.8 trillion during Reagan's tenure
     
    gosh a ruddies! the hatred in your heart is poisoning your soul and making you snide and sarcastic. you can be redeemed but your intolerance of diversity is clouding your judgment.