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  • Belly35
    Holiday spending worst than reported .. The Holiday spending is down more that what is being reported via the media. I have no facts, no stats, no graphics just good old observation.
    After Thanksgiving dinner the wife, granddaughter and daughters, I do the driving, load up for a trip to Grove City Outlet for shopping. This has been going on for years so I have seen the crowds when the economy has been great and also seen the decline when the economy started to drop.
    I have never seem Grove City so low attendance of shoppers, it was worst than last year. On Saturday I went up to Best Buys to get 100 feet of cable … did get it had a better idea once I got there. The place was almost empty. Yesterday the wife had to get some stuff at the mall and Sam’s … (I don’t let her go by herself when it’s getting later or turning dark plus I don’t what to miss the opportunity to shot someone just before the Christmas ;)

    The stores are empty, the number of clerks are down, no lines for checking out…. It’s bad, worst that what is being reported … just wait and see when the true figures come out

    However The Belly Family is spending more this year than last year. The grandkids are getting older and the games, cloths and electrics are costly. Plus the kids wanted some items that their parent could not afford so I stepped in to help.
  • LJ
    Its because more and more people are shopping online.
  • Belly35
    LJ;1546888 wrote:Its because more and more people are shopping online.
    I think that what the media wants you to think.... in reality not happening ...

    Granted some purchase are on line but not to the level that will change the decrease in the Holiday Shopping Slump.
  • LJ
    Belly35;1546908 wrote:I think that what the media wants you to think.... in reality not happening ...

    Granted some purchase are on line but not to the level that will change the decrease in the Holiday Shopping Slump.
    The hard numbers say otherwise.
  • gut
    LJ;1546912 wrote:The hard numbers say otherwise.
    ???

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/02/business/economy/gloomy-numbers-for-holiday-shoppings-big-weekend.html?_r=0
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/01/us-usa-retail-blackfridayweekend-idUSBRE9B00E520131201
    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/12/01/holiday-sales-draw-bigger-crowds-but-spending-may-be-down/
  • LJ
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/12/02/cyber-monday-results/3804039/
  • gut
    I don't think you appreciate the scale of holiday weekend sales (which include online) vs. cybermonday - $2B vs. $57B.

    The numbers over the 4 days are down overall @ 2-3%.
  • LJ
    gut;1546924 wrote:I don't think you appreciate the scale of holiday weekend sales (which include online) vs. cybermonday - $2B vs. $57B.

    The numbers over the 4 days are down overall @ 2-3%.
    On CNBC they said cyber Monday more than made up for the low sales Friday-Sunday
    Your articles are from Sunday and Dont include cyber Monday
  • gut
    LJ;1546928 wrote:On CNBC they said cyber Monday more than made up for the low sales Friday-Sunday
    Your articles are from Sunday and Dont include cyber Monday
    Your wrong and don't appear to make any effort to actually learn what the numbers are. For starters, don't rely on USA Today for economic/financial reports. The numbers are all over the internet.

    Cyber Monday sales up @16% = approx. +$300M.
    3-day weekend sales down @2.9% = approx -$1.7B
  • Belly35
    The on-line shopping maybe up but that because many stores forced buyers to go online. I know my wife had to order three items online because those items where only online items purchases. Also for example America Girl Dolls where cheaper if ordered online ..

    Note: Sales up .. profit down … really …. never a good thing …
  • Classyposter58
    Belly35;1546887 wrote:Holiday spending worst than reported .. The Holiday spending is down more that what is being reported via the media. I have no facts, no stats, no graphics just good old observation.
    After Thanksgiving dinner the wife, granddaughter and daughters, I do the driving, load up for a trip to Grove City Outlet for shopping. This has been going on for years so I have seen the crowds when the economy has been great and also seen the decline when the economy started to drop.
    I have never seem Grove City so low attendance of shoppers, it was worst than last year. On Saturday I went up to Best Buys to get 100 feet of cable … did get it had a better idea once I got there. The place was almost empty. Yesterday the wife had to get some stuff at the mall and Sam’s … (I don’t let her go by herself when it’s getting later or turning dark plus I don’t what to miss the opportunity to shot someone just before the Christmas ;)

    The stores are empty, the number of clerks are down, no lines for checking out…. It’s bad, worst that what is being reported … just wait and see when the true figures come out

    However The Belly Family is spending more this year than last year. The grandkids are getting older and the games, cloths and electrics are costly. Plus the kids wanted some items that their parent could not afford so I stepped in to help.
    You drive the women huh? Firm hand for the women sir
  • Zombaypirate
    Manhattan Buckeye;1539407 wrote:My guess is living when America was awesome and we didn't have to deal with an embarrassing, incompetent government.
    Wow, then the ONLY President to triple the deficit makes us awesome. I think Obama should follow suit then and triple the deficit. Reagan was worse than worthless he damaged our economy in the long haul. Can't wait to see people who have cried about deficit spending come forth and defend Reagan LOL.
  • Manhattan Buckeye
    " I think Obama should follow suit then and triple the deficit."

    He outdid that, he created a debt more than all other Presidents combined. You do know the difference between debt and deficit, right? If I have a month where I'm $1 in the red and the next month I'm $3, well I tripled the deficit. But who cares because I'm only $4 in the red. That has nothing to do with the debt principal.

    Obama has been a fiscal nightmare that we might not ever overcome.
  • gut
    Manhattan Buckeye;1555162 wrote:
    Obama has been a fiscal nightmare
    With absolutely NOTHING to show for it. I can't believe we still have 3 more years of this yahoo. Hopefully Repubs take the Senate in 2014 (sounds dirty to say that)

    But I've become a real fan of gridlock. Best way to limit spending might be a Dem in the WH with the Repubs controlling the House and/or Senate.
  • believer
    Zombaypirate;1554916 wrote:Wow, then the ONLY President to triple the deficit makes us awesome. I think Obama should follow suit then and triple the deficit. Reagan was worse than worthless he damaged our economy in the long haul. Can't wait to see people who have cried about deficit spending come forth and defend Reagan LOL.

    Gotta love Kool Aid drinkers.... ;)
  • Con_Alma
    gut;1555163 wrote:...that)

    But I've become a real fan of gridlock. Best way to limit spending might be a Dem in the WH with the Repubs controlling the House and/or Senate.
    Agreed. I've been saying that for a while. The only concerning thing about gridlock is that it's viewed as uncertainty in the markets and private sector.
  • Zombaypirate
    Manhattan Buckeye;1555162 wrote:" I think Obama should follow suit then and triple the deficit."

    He outdid that, he created a debt more than all other Presidents combined. You do know the difference between debt and deficit, right? If I have a month where I'm $1 in the red and the next month I'm $3, well I tripled the deficit. But who cares because I'm only $4 in the red. That has nothing to do with the debt principal.

    Obama has been a fiscal nightmare that we might not ever overcome.
    Learn something. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/the-truth-about-the-presi_1_b_1540698.html

    Lets hear the crying oh it's a liberal source LMAO! Reagan was a piece of crap and all deficit spenders are. Wake the hell up and understand what is going on.
  • Zombaypirate
    http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2012-05-23-chart_annualized_spending.jpg
  • Heretic
    believer;1555166 wrote:Gotta love Kool Aid drinkers.... ;)
    You should, considering you're one of this site's biggest ones for the other side!
  • Zombaypirate
    The big spenders are the Republicans. They believe in spend, spend, spend, and reduce taxes all will be good. Look at Clinton and Obama LMAO! Tax and spend liberals are far more harmless than Spend and spend and spend and spend but reduce taxes republicans.

    STOP SPENDING!!!!! when will the idiots realize this!!! I almost must give up hope. We should have a balanced budget!
  • believer
    Heretic;1555520 wrote:You should, considering you're one of this site's biggest ones for the right side!
    fify
  • Heretic
    believer;1555543 wrote:fify
    Fix'd like a true kool-aid drinker!
  • isadore
    thank you President Obama, our first African American President, and Ben Bernanke for the economic expansion. Janet Yellin will help the President keep it going.
  • Belly35
    isadore;1555555 wrote:thank you President Obama, our first African American President, and Ben Bernanke for the economic expansion. Janet Yellin will help the President keep it going.
    this dick community organizer has fucked up, insurance, health care, foreign relation, employment (19% Black unemployment), prosperity, energy, military, future economy and the list never ends.... Not my president ... Dick Socialist Public Servant hope this helps
  • isadore
    Belly35;1555661 wrote:this dick community organizer has fucked up, insurance, health care, foreign relation, employment (19% Black unemployment), prosperity, energy, military, future economy and the list never ends.... Not my president ... Dick Socialist Public Servant hope this helps
    Gosh you are mistaken, his name is Barack, not Richard. You are also incorrect that he is not your President. With his reelection in November, 2012 he continue to be the President of all the residents of the United States until January, 2017.