Can you feel the economic collapse

• Belly35

  

  Right now as we speak the American Economy is crashing and the citizen populations in general are clueless.
  With headlines on Obamacare website failure, NAS, Government Shutdown, Debt Ceiling and a number of other topics the Obama Administration presented to the weak and bias news media our economy is in a dive. The total incompetence of this Obama Administration is playing roulette every day that the real problem will not be exposed (economic collapse). It has started and with a few events it will accelerate …
  
  I have no facts, figure or false government stats, happy ass charts or even media documentation to justify this statement.
  What I do have is business contacts, my business reports, communication with other business owners around the country, my customer in two different manufacturing /business commodity as an indication of what is trending now. The bottom line is simple … limited sales of goods and products, worse that 2009, future hiring and promotion not happening, business investment limited because of government law, restriction, insurance and increase taxes, closing of additional business location, down sizing employees and operational cost and or like me just closing business.
• queencitybuckeye

  Having a record year myself.
• sleeper

  

  I know 6 people that have lost their jobs in the last 3 months which makes me a bit nervous being one of the younger employees. My only saving grace is that I produce high quality products and a much lower cost than many of my peers. I also know many friends(acquaintances) that I graduated college with that still are waiting tables or working retail with their expensive college degrees. The economy is terrible for just about everyone but especially young people; and its only going to get worse when we have to pick up the scraps the worst generation(the boomers).
• ernest_t_bass

  

  All is well here... so far.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  legal industry is still in the dumpster. Head count is still 20% or more below pre-recession levels everywhere my friends work and pretty much all of the guys I know that are partners at the top 250 hate their lives and are worried on a monthly basis they will get fired/de-equitized. I work for a start-up so we expect a few years of tough times. Wife is top 500 of a huge conglomerate (think P&G) and they don't even attempt to make a pollyannish argument to their stakeholders.
  
  The recession never ended. Profits based on declining revenues and cost slashing (i.e. reduced headcount) is not a recovery. We might be f--ked.
• believer

  

  In the past 5 years my company has closed 2 plants (700 jobs) and my boss just told me, "I'm not at liberty to say much but be prepared for another major announcement this week".
  
  Plus our HR guru just hinted that MAJOR changes are coming to our health care plan in the next week. Hmmmm...must not have anything to do with BarryKare I'm sure.
  
  Warm fuzzy feelings abound.
  
  Correct....There never was a "recovery".
• Manhattan Buckeye

  "Correct....The never was a "recovery"."
  
  The scariest thing I'm getting with my connections is that there is no, I mean ZERO expectation of a near future turnaround so there is little effort to expand or take risks in growing. This will not end well.
• BGFalcons82

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1525150 wrote:"Correct....The never was a "recovery"."
  
  The scariest thing I'm getting with my connections is that there is no, I mean ZERO expectation of a near future turnaround so there is little effort to expand or take risks in growing. This will not end well.

  But wait...the messiah created 126,000 part-time jobs last month!! That's gotta help...right?
  
  Oh crap...820,000 quit looking and decided to get on the government dole. Guess the talking robots aren't talking much about that number...just the one that went "down" 0.1%. Never mind...what's Miley up to tonight?
• QuakerOats

  Noticeable slow down here ---- the cumulative effect of the anti-business policies of this regime continue to take their toll. The purposeful dis-empowerment of America is in full force.
  
  
  
  Hopefully there will be something salvageable by 2016.
• gut

  QuakerOats;1525227 wrote: Hopefully there will be something salvageable by 2016.

  I honestly never thought anyone would make me say, 5 years later, that we would have been a whole lot better off with Hillary.
  
  We have a POTUS who is only interested in campaigning and simply refuses to do the job.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  "I honestly never thought anyone would make me say, 5 years later, that we would have been a whole lot better off with Hillary."
  
  I said it 4 years ago but given her lousy track record at the State Department I would question that. The main question is why is the USA tolerating this?
• gut

  Manhattan Buckeye;1525235 wrote: The main question is why is the USA tolerating this?

  Obamakare is very illustrative. People living in the bubble who only listen to things they want to hear have simply been willfully ignorant thanks to the proliferation of the liberal media. They naively believe(d) these leftists are honest and sincere with our best interests at heart. I'm grateful for Obamakare because only a debacle of this magnitude can revoke the blank check given to liberals after 2008.
  
  It's utterly comical how the only way to defend Obama is to attempt to argue he's not as big of a failure as GW. Are these people simply stupid or just that committed to a dubious ideology that they refuse to have open and honest conversations about what a horrible direction this country has taken over the past 13 years?
• cbus4life

  Hard to tell, really.
  
  Most of my family, who work in a variety of industries, say that things are generally getting better and folks are feeling more positive in their industry/location.
  
  Though, they don't give Obama credit for that, just the natural recovery from the recession.
  
  But, of course, others are in different circumstances, unfortunately.
  
  Honestly, just don't think things are as bad, or as good (depending on what side you're on), as folks seem to think.
  
  And, for what it is worth, i know plenty of Kiwi and Aussie businesspeople who are very positive about the United States going forward.
  
  *shrug*
• believer

  

  cbus4life;1525336 wrote:And, for what it is worth, i know plenty of Kiwi and Aussie businesspeople who are very positive about the United States going forward.
  
  *shrug*

  I'd say the folks down under are full of wishful thinking. But I hope they know something we don't know.
• gut

  Things are not horrible, or bad even...we've never sniffed even half the recovery that could have and should have been...
  
  And this was a slam dunk - the stabilizations and backstops were all in place before Obama was even sworn in. The crisis was essentially a technical "default", a mark-to-market recession that simply required credit liquidity. Hedge funds and vulture funds salivate over such an opportunity - Obama could not have been more teed-up for success.
  
  It was an easy fix ("too big to fail" questions aside) and rebound that should have been significant. And Obama and his administration knew it, which is why they dove into healthcare and the rest of their agenda - both have been disastrous for the economy and only a Stepford Liberal would think otherwise.
• believer

  

  ^^^ So in other words, Obamacare derailed what should have been the start of a robust recovery. Now this inept administration and their leftist media mouthpieces are in full damage-control mode trying to convince the Mericun Sheeple that "all is well".
  
  pathetic
• Manhattan Buckeye

  believer;1525340 wrote:I'd say the folks down under are full of wishful thinking. But I hope they know something we don't know.

  Australia is too small of a market to matter...and too isolated. The Aussie currency has had the ironic problem of being too strong affecting their exports. Look at Hong Kong and Singapore....they are as bearish as ever since the recession began.
  
  I'll give you a quick anecdotal note at my last US employer. In 2007 we gave clerkships to 47 new revenue sources. Eventually only 17 were offered full employment and at a reduced rate. In the last 6 years the business hasn't even provided clerkships to 47 people - in total. They've laid off at least 2 dozen staff (some of which were worthless when I was there so that was probably a good decision) but overall with people leaving and no hiring, headcount is down 40% from '06 levels and all of my FB friends still there want to get out.
  
  That could be an aberration but again my wife's shop which is far larger, far more diversified and far more global is still tightening the belt on expenses and hiring.
• gut

  believer;1525342 wrote:^^^ So in other words, Obamacare derailed what should have been the start of a robust recovery.

  Not at all....Only symptomatic of the plague. They piled a massive entitlement on the top of a fragile recovery. That's dunce 101. Merely the biggest of a series of economic missteps. You look at ZIRP in Japan and all it has done is spread short term misery over decades of sub-par growth.
• QuakerOats

  believer;1525342 wrote:^^^ So in other words, Obamacare derailed what should have been the start of a robust recovery.

  
  
  Actually, obamaKare is the final nail in the coffin, on the heels of massive/punitive regulatory expansion, and increased taxes. Weathering this triple threat onslaught is essentially impossible. Oh, and all that is aside from the criminal/treasonous acts: IRS targeting, NSA spying, Fast-n-Furious murders, Benghazi stand down/lies/coverup etc..etc...
  
  The carnage being wreaked upon The People is literally immeasurable at this point.
• Zombaypirate

  QuakerOats;1525227 wrote:Noticeable slow down here ---- the cumulative effect of the anti-business policies of this regime continue to take their toll. The purposeful dis-empowerment of America is in full force.
  
  
  
  Hopefully there will be something salvageable by 2016.

  LOL don't expect the replubidummies to help you out.
  
  They are all about themselves all politicians are and until you and the rest of the USA figure this out we are all lost.
• Zombaypirate

  Yeah I walked down to the local creek today to get my water after of course I washed my clothes in said creek. I lit candles and oil lamps so I had some light tonight with them setting the clocks back and all. I hope the few hogs I have will be enough to carry me through the winter I have my vegetables canned and all. All I see is doom and gloom, and I have hamsters running our generator to fuel this computer.
• Zombaypirate

  QuakerOats;1525656 wrote:Actually, obamaKare is the final nail in the coffin, on the heels of massive/punitive regulatory expansion, and increased taxes. Weathering this triple threat onslaught is essentially impossible. Oh, and all that is aside from the criminal/treasonous acts: IRS targeting, NSA spying, Fast-n-Furious murders, Benghazi stand down/lies/coverup etc..etc...
  
  The carnage being wreaked upon The People is literally immeasurable at this point.

  LOL where were you when Reagan was President?
• ts1227

  

  I thought I felt it, then I realized that I just had to poop
• Manhattan Buckeye

  Zombaypirate;1539102 wrote:LOL where were you when Reagan was President?

  My guess is living when America was awesome and we didn't have to deal with an embarrassing, incompetent government.
• QuakerOats

  Zombaypirate;1539102 wrote:LOL where were you when Reagan was President?

  
  
  Right here, enjoying the greatest economic expansion in history combined with the highest confidence levels we've had. Of course, that is what happens in a free republic when it is led by those who defend individual liberty and understand that free markets are the greatest solution to the human condition. Contrast that with the current, totalitarian regime which is hell bent on destroying every institution and economic foundation that made this the greatest nation on the earth.
  
  Good luck.