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Can we just shut the government down already?

  • IggyPride00
    Talk of a 6 week debt ceiling extension all but guarantees we are looking at many more weeks of the government shutdown.

    Retailers are having a figurative and literal heart attack right now at the prospects of what this will do to the holiday shopping season (if this does drag on another 4-6 weeks), which for many makes up a bulk of the year's profits.
  • I Wear Pants
    That's not why the shutdown happened. Dems could say, sure, lets make Congress fall under ACA and the GOP would not be happy. They want the thing delayed (and then when that delay is up they'll want it delayed or gotten rid of). It's been their purpose all along.
  • gut
    IggyPride00;1515983 wrote:Talk of a 6 week debt ceiling extension all but guarantees we are looking at many more weeks of the government shutdown.

    Retailers are having a figurative and literal heart attack right now at the prospects of what this will do to the holiday shopping season (if this does drag on another 4-6 weeks), which for many makes up a bulk of the year's profits.
    They're all getting backpay, so as long as they are back to work by Thanksgiving the stores will be packed for black Friday. And really, outside of Washington, stores probably won't notice any decline in demand.

    Basically a localized beltway recession, at worst. And here's America playing the world's tiniest violin .
  • I Wear Pants
    believer;1515744 wrote:You mean Beltway peeps whose livelihoods depend on sucking off the artificially sweetened and over-inflated gubmint teet are finally feeling what most of mainstream Murica has been feeling for a decade or more? Tell me it isn't so.
    This post reminds me of what I realized not too long ago. It seems that many conservative minded people feel that patriotism and love for country and etc are important, core values in their lives and yet it seems all these people ever seem to talk about is how awful America is or what's wrong with our society or how ashamed they are of the country. They have a deep, seething hatred for large swaths of their fellow citizens which to me is interesting in the saddest way.

    Believer you don't know these "beltway peeps" or what they do but you gain pleasure in seeing them lose their jobs and homes. Why is that?
  • BGFalcons82
    I Wear Pants;1516012 wrote:That's not why the shutdown happened. Dems could say, sure, lets make Congress fall under ACA and the GOP would not be happy. They want the thing delayed (and then when that delay is up they'll want it delayed or gotten rid of). It's been their purpose all along.
    I agree it's not the original cause of the shutdown.

    However, since it started, she is stating there was a bill sent to Harry allowing for his blessed full Continuing Resolution with the caveat that NO ONE is exempt from the law. No business, no union, no community agitator organization, no POTUS, no congressperson, no Supreme Court judge, no TEA Partier, no communist, no socialist, no racists and NOT ONE PERSON exempt from The Law. This was her point that we have a "shutdown" (I hate that word because 85% of government is operating as intended) now because Harry won't vote on equal protection under the law for EVERYONE.

    Footnote question: Why is Obama allowed to grant exemptions to the law? It isn't titled, "The Affordable Patient Protection Act With The President's Changes As He Wishes" law. Or is he truly a king and we all missed the memo?
  • QuakerOats
    'Pants: Incorrect, it is not at all personal. It is about the bloated, inefficient, unaccountable, and now unaffordable bureaucratic institutions of BIG government, and the accompanying damage inflicted on The People.
  • I Wear Pants
    BGFalcons82;1516022 wrote:I agree it's not the original cause of the shutdown.

    However, since it started, she is stating there was a bill sent to Harry allowing for his blessed full Continuing Resolution with the caveat that NO ONE is exempt from the law. No business, no union, no community agitator organization, no POTUS, no congressperson, no Supreme Court judge, no TEA Partier, no communist, no socialist, no racists and NOT ONE PERSON exempt from The Law. This was her point that we have a "shutdown" (I hate that word because 85% of government is operating as intended) now because Harry won't vote on equal protection under the law for EVERYONE.

    Footnote question: Why is Obama allowed to grant exemptions to the law? It isn't titled, "The Affordable Patient Protection Act With The President's Changes As He Wishes" law. Or is he truly a king and we all missed the memo?
    That's not what the GOP has been saying. They've been saying they're trying for a delay. Also could Boehner not bring that vote to the floor, a clean CR with the attached "Congress must be under ACA" clause? Because if he can then he should because it would prove that Dems cared more about not being under ACA than a clean CR.
  • I Wear Pants
    QuakerOats;1516023 wrote:'Pants: Incorrect, it is not at all personal. It is about the bloated, inefficient, unaccountable, and now unaffordable bureaucratic institutions of BIG government, and the accompanying damage inflicted on The People.
    Unaccountable? You get to vote for them.
  • sleeper
    I Wear Pants;1516030 wrote:Unaccountable? You get to vote for them.
    We get to vote for the thousands of IRS agents running Obamacare? LOL
  • gut
    sleeper;1516040 wrote:We get to vote for the thousands of IRS agents running Obamacare? LOL
    Not to mention we only get to vote for like 3% of Congress, and the POTUS obviously. But, heck, Obamakare and legalization could turn FL and TX permanently blue and it won't matter what people outside of TX, FL, CA, IL and NY think.

    That could be the dirty little secret to all this - it doesn't matter if Obamakare fails nationwide, it really only matters to Dems that it succeeds in FL.
  • I Wear Pants
    gut;1516045 wrote:Not to mention we only get to vote for like 3% of Congress, and the POTUS obviously. But, heck, Obamakare and legalization could turn FL and TX permanently blue and it won't matter what people outside of TX, FL, CA, IL and NY think.

    That could be the dirty little secret to all this - it doesn't matter if Obamakare fails nationwide, it really only matters to Dems that it succeeds in FL.
    Or some people might actually think that having more transparent health insurance choices available to more people is a good thing, and that not allowing insurers to deny coverage based on preexisting conditions or lifetime limits on coverage is something that's worth having.
  • IggyPride00
    Charles Krauthammer continued his criticism of Sen. Ted Cruz on Thursday, asking, “Where is he now?”
    “How exactly was he going to achieve abolition of Obamacare? Explain that to me. Has he ever explained it? And where is he now?” Krauthammer said on “The Laura Ingraham Show.”

    Krauthammer, who has previously hit Cruz (R-Texas) on the strategy of shutdown to defund Obamacare, included Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) in his questioning and said the two went home to “have lunch.”
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    “I mean his sidekick, Sen. [Mike] Lee said, ‘Oh, we’re past Obamacare. We moved on.’ These are the generals who lead people into the Battle of [the] Little Bighorn and then go home and have lunch and leave the troops out there? Where are they? Where are the generals? What’s their strategy to get abolition of Obamacare?” Krauthammer said.[LEFT]
    He continued, “I’ve been calling this the ‘kamikaze brigade’… ‘the suicide caucus.’ I’m all for charging the barricades, but you’ve got to show me how to penetrate them. … And people are saying Republicans are in retreat. They’re not in retreat, there never was a way to abolish Obamacare now,” Krauthammer said.

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    I like Krauthammer, and I am happy to see that as time goes on Calgary Ted is being exposed for the fraud and snake oil salesman he really is.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/charles-krauthammer-ted-cruz-obamacare-98144.html?hp=l1
  • I Wear Pants
    What article is that from?
  • IggyPride00
    I Wear Pants;1516064 wrote:What article is that from?
    Sorry, I update post with link. It's from Politco.
  • I Wear Pants
    Thanks.
  • gut
    I Wear Pants;1516058 wrote:Or some people might actually think that having more transparent health insurance choices available to more people is a good thing, and that not allowing insurers to deny coverage based on preexisting conditions or lifetime limits on coverage is something that's worth having.
    More transparent? Have you ever applied for insurance yourself? It's almost like getting quotes for car insurance.

    I agree on the preexisting conditions. It is the only good thing about Obamakare.
  • HitsRus
    This post reminds me of what I realized not too long ago. It seems that many conservative minded people feel that patriotism and love for country and etc are important, core values in their lives and yet it seems all these people ever seem to talk about is how awful America is or what's wrong with our society or how ashamed they are of the country. They have a deep, seething hatred for large swaths of their fellow citizens which to me is interesting in the saddest way.
    Really?....you believe that?... this coming from a group of elitist intellectuals who look down on the 'rubes' and evangelicals, and gun toting country bumpkins, all the while apologizing to the world for America. LOL.

    On second thought, in order to be a liberal, you would HAVE to believe that otherwise your pinheads would explode.
  • I Wear Pants
    HitsRus;1516085 wrote:Really?....you believe that?... this coming from a group of elitist intellectuals who look down on the 'rubes' and evangelicals, and gun toting country bumpkins, all the while apologizing to the world for America. LOL.

    On second thought, in order to be a liberal, you would HAVE to believe that otherwise your pinheads would explode.
    This post kind of reinforces what I just said.
  • IggyPride00
  • pmoney25
    I Wear Pants;1516019 wrote:This post reminds me of what I realized not too longer g o. It seems that many conservative minded people feel that patriotism and love for country and etc are important, core values in their lives and yet it seems all these people ever seem to talk about is how awful America is or what's wrong with our society or how ashamed they are of the country. They have a deep, seething hatred for large swaths of their fellow citizens which to me is interesting in the saddest way.

    Believer you don't know these "beltway peeps" or what they do but you gain pleasure in seeing them lose their jobs and homes. Why is that?
    First, protest is patriotism. Patriotism is not blind loyalty to the government. The sad part is we have become so dependent on the government people don't realize all these services and programs are nothing more than ways to keep people trapped in poverty or move them into it. The government needs rich people and poor people. The rich to line their pockets and the poor to need them. That is why they are both the first to get welfare. A vibrant middle class is terrible for our government.

    I have no hatred for anyone, more sympathy that most don't know any better and for those who do who won't do anything about it.
  • IggyPride00
    New NBC/Wallstreet Journal Poll:
    By a 22-point margin (53 percent to 31 percent), the public blames the Republican Party more for the shutdown than President Barack Obama – a wider margin of blame for the GOP than the party received during the poll during the last shutdown in 1995-96.
    The first few days didn't seem to be that bad as there seemed to be alot of blaming both sides in the polls, but in the last few days the tide seems to be really turning against Republicans if the polls are to be believed.

    http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/10/20903624-nbcwsj-poll-shutdown-debate-damages-gop?lite
  • fish82
    The media is working overtime to make sure everyone knows that they're supposed to be blaming the GOP.
  • believer
    fish82;1516154 wrote:The media is working overtime to make sure everyone knows that they're supposed to be blaming the GOP.
  • ptown_trojans_1
    This is what pisses me off. Honestly, what good do they think this will do?
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/trucker-beltway-protest-on-again/2013/10/10/5f7e7096-31b9-11e3-9c68-1cf643210300_story.html?hpid=z2

    Now, sure people don't like DC, but really not all of us are bleeding liberals that live off the Government work.
    But, I'm sure all of you on here don't care and are for this.

    Nevermind the people that have to work in other jobs that are not related to the Government.
  • ptown_trojans_1
    And, really, what is the end game for the R's?
    A full repeal of Obamacare? That is not happening. That is like asking Bush to repeal his tax cuts while he was in office.
    A one year delay? Or six month delay?

    Since the President will not fully stop the healthcare law, at what point do R's say, ok, let's reopen this up?