Egypt?

• ohiobucks1

  

  Sorry it's hard for me to make sense of the situation. Can somebody with more sense on the matter than me please explain what's going on there? Is it good for democracy? What's the plan going forward? etc.
• TedSheckler

  

  ohiobucks1;1467568 wrote:Can somebody with more sense on the matter than me please explain what's going on there?

  
  A whole lot of rape.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  It's good if done right.
  In a nutshell, the protestors, who represent the more moderate and for easy explanation, pro-Western sects, have repeatably stated that Morsi has only ruled in favor of his party and the Muslim Brotherhood.
  
  The protestors have stated that since Morsi has taken over goods and services have dropped and he has limited religious freedom, and other items.
  So, the Military said enough is enough.
  
  Hopefully, if done right, and this depends on the candidates for election and how the new Parliament and Constitution is populated and written, will lead to a more moderate and relgious tolerate Egypt.
  So, cautious optimism.
• gut

  LOL, how often are military coups "done right"?
  
  It's like that line from Gladiator where the Senator says "and then what, you'll just leave?"
• majorspark

  

  gut;1467790 wrote:LOL, how often are military coups "done right"?

  Never.
• Belly35

  

  ptown_trojans_1;1467604 wrote:It's good if done right.
  In a nutshell, the protestors, who represent the more moderate and for easy explanation, pro-Western sects, have repeatably stated that Morsi has only ruled in favor of his party and the Muslim Brotherhood. Obama has rule in favor of his party the socialist democratic incompency party
  
  The protestors have stated that since Morsi has taken over goods and services have dropped and he has limited religious freedom, and other items
  . this sound about right for the Obama administration
  So, the Military said enough is enough.
  
  Hopefully, if done right, and this depends on the candidates for election and how the new Parliament and Constitution is populated and written, will lead to a more moderate and relgious tolerate Egypt.
  So,
  
  Constitution .... Obama is clueless

• HitsRus

  

  Whether you liked Morsi or not, any time a democratically elected government is overthrown by the military, your suspicions should be raised. America is not coming out of this smelling like a rose, and the dithering, ambiguous foreign policy we have been engaged in, has both sides not happy with the USA.
  http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/middleeast/la-fg-egypt-anti-american-20130706,0,6572930.story
• Manhattan Buckeye

  ^^^
  
  We have a foreign policy?
• HitsRus

  

  LOL I was using the term loosely, I admit.
• O-Trap

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1469210 wrote:^^^
  
  We have a foreign policy?

  Our foreign policy: If it's foreign, we get to choose the policy.
• Tiernan

  Agreed military coups are seldom "good things" but in this case its definitely in US favor to get rid of the guys who were cheering when the Towers fell.
• TedSheckler

  

  Yet, we continue to give billions of dollars to Egypt after this military coup, even though it is illegal. Oh, but wait....it's not a coup according to this administration.
• QuakerOats

  Where is that pre-ordained, world-wide Nobel Peace Prize winner from 2009 when you need him?
  
  
  
  On holiday, oh .............. ok.
  
  
  Change we can believe in ...
• Tiernan

  OATS: Youre gonna sit there and bust Obama's balls for what's happening in Egypt? Grab a clue from the bag Alicia...the US needs to be completely "hands off" and say "no comment" as this unfolds.
• TedSheckler

  

  Tiernan;1470231 wrote:the US needs to be completely "hands off" and say "no comment" as this unfolds.

  And stop sending them one more cent.
• QuakerOats

  Tiernan;1470231 wrote:OATS: Youre gonna sit there and bust Obama's balls for what's happening in Egypt? Grab a clue from the bag Alicia...the US needs to be completely "hands off" and say "no comment" as this unfolds.

  No, you missed the point. Everyone crucified Bush over his foreign policy and handling of world affairs; they said obama would save the world from itself; they gave him the Nobel peace prize in advance of his presumed abilities to spread peace throughout all the world; they continue to worship his every move. Yet the chaos in the world is at a peak; the violence is at a peak; the unrest is at a peak; the lack of leadership is at a peak; and Americans have no idea what we stand for or whose side we are on.
  
  The sham presidency continues.
  
  Change we can believe in ...
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  TedSheckler;1470236 wrote:And stop sending them one more cent.

  Kinda tied to the Israel peace treaty as well.
  

  QuakerOats;1470250 wrote:No, you missed the point. Everyone crucified Bush over his foreign policy and handling of world affairs; they said obama would save the world from itself; they gave him the Nobel peace prize in advance of his presumed abilities to spread peace throughout all the world; they continue to worship his every move. Yet the chaos in the world is at a peak; the violence is at a peak; the unrest is at a peak; the lack of leadership is at a peak; and Americans have no idea what we stand for or whose side we are on.
  
  The sham presidency continues.
  
  Change we can believe in ...

  I'll take this Middle East over 2006.....
• Tiernan

  NBC reporting Cairo in the throes of complete chaos with hundreds dead and hundreds more wounded. Erupted sometime early morning EST and is continuing into the Egyptian night right now. Should we give a shit or hope for as many dead Moozlums as possible?
• queencitybuckeye

  Tiernan;1486942 wrote:NBC reporting Cairo in the throes of complete chaos with hundreds dead and hundreds more wounded. Erupted sometime early morning EST and is continuing into the Egyptian night right now. Should we give a shit or hope for as many dead Moozlums as possible?

  Give a shit? Yes.
  Get involved? No.
  Hope for deaths? What kind of sick fuck does that?
• Me?

  

  The only thing we should do is stop sending them foreign aid immediately. Per our own laws, it's illegal for us to send foreign aid to a country that has been overthrown via military coup. But we're still doing it anyways. In fact, Rand Paul proposed legislation a few weeks ago that would have taken the money from Egypt and put it directly into our fund for bridges. It failed overwhelmingly. And then days later the President said that he would love to find a funding mechanism to fix infrastructure.
• TedSheckler

  

  But, but....it wasn't a coup.
• SportsAndLady

  

  So I guess McCain was right.
  
  and to answer this question
  

  Hope for deaths? What kind of sick fuck does that?

  A drunk, racist idiot.
• believer

  

  Me?;1486974 wrote:The only thing we should do is stop sending them foreign aid immediately.

  this
  
  end of discussion
• gut

  Tiernan;1486942 wrote:Should we give a shit or hope for as many dead Moozlums as possible?

  What a refreshing opinion from someone who frequently rails about racism in various threads.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  believer;1487065 wrote:this
  
  end of discussion

  And what if that pulls them away further from the U.S. and into a pro-Brotherhood Government? And, what if it leads them to void the Israeli peace treaty?
  
  
  The current situation sucks, as the Army acted recklessly and pretty much played right into the Brotherhood's hand.
  I'll just add what are the options for the U.S.?
  Honestly, what is a good option?
  
  Should the U.S. wash their hands, leading to potentially more chaos in the region?
  Or, should the U.S. try and work with the new Government like it is trying to do.
  
  Transitions and new Governments are messy. Remember it took us years.