And they say Dems aren't trying to take guns away

• BoatShoes

  sleeper;1341746 wrote:He has. He's now a douche.

  Eh, I'm pretty sure you probably considered me a douche before November. It probably doesn't help my case that I enjoy reminding you about the philosophical quandaries of your libertarian/proud-beneficiary-and-evangelist-of-socialism fake internet persona. :thumbup:
• sleeper

  

  BoatShoes;1341824 wrote:Eh, I'm pretty sure you probably considered me a douche before November. It probably doesn't help my case that I enjoy reminding you about the philosophical quandaries of your libertarian/proud-beneficiary-and-evangelist-of-socialism fake internet persona. :thumbup:

  The Ohio State University would survive no problem without state funding. It's one of the premier academic institutions in the country and only has a high acceptance rate because it actually cares about advancing the knowledge of human civilization by expanding rather than pretending to give a shit about education and rejecting a bunch of people because they aren't rich or a minority with one arm.
• HitsRus

  

  Have you taken a good look at the countries that are ahead of the United States?

  Dumb***
  Do you know how to read a map??? Same as UK and France, Ireland,India, Scadinavia, Australia. You'll stop at nothing to distort the truth. Thugs don't need guns to be thugs. Duh.
• Bigdogg

  LJ;1322182 wrote:This will be my only response since we already know you don't understand statistics
  
  So .006% of permit holders have committed a crime in 5 years. Neat.
  
  Cops killed 382 people related to misconduct in 14 months between April 2009 and June
  2010.
  http://www.copblock.org/tag/police-misconduct-statistics/
  
  
  
  

  That's a hell of a lot more cases than have committed voting fraud but I digress.........
• tk421

  

  looks like the courts don't agree with the liberal agenda, BS. Illinois ban on concealed carry struck down, another win for gun rights. Isn't it interesting that Chicago, with some of the strongest gun laws on the books, has the highest murder rate in the country? What does that tell you?
• BoatShoes

  HitsRus;1341938 wrote:Dumb***
  Do you know how to read a map??? Same as UK and France, Ireland,India, Scadinavia, Australia. You'll stop at nothing to distort the truth. Thugs don't need guns to be thugs. Duh.

  Oh man, really? You might want to take a look again before we start throwing insults around...
  
  Zoom in on the map this time. Or if it's easier, press the down arrow on the chart below it...
• BoatShoes

  tk421;1341998 wrote:looks like the courts don't agree with the liberal agenda, BS. Illinois ban on concealed carry struck down, another win for gun rights. Isn't it interesting that Chicago, with some of the strongest gun laws on the books, has the highest murder rate in the country? What does that tell you?

  Well considering the large successes of gun control on a national level evidenced in other countries...it might tell us something about the follies of state by state gun control as opposed to national level gun control. If you can just go across to Gary, Indiana to get a gun it's probably going to be ineffective. If handguns are outlawed throughout all of Japan and have to make it through customs...you might have more success...
• tk421

  

  I knew that was going to be your answer. How is banning drugs working out for this country? How did prohibition work out? You actually honestly are going to sit there and tell me that banning all weapons across this country would do a damn thing for crime? Really? Are you that naive? You can not shut the barn door after the animals have already left. It's too late, there are hundreds of millions of weapons legally in this country, and millions more illegally. There are 20K plus gun laws on the books. Liberals are naive if they think they can wave a magic wand and make guns disappear. Try it on a national level and see what happens, I guarantee you won't like the outcome.
  
  I honestly think you just like being contrary, there is no way you can be as stupid as you appear when you post stuff like that. Japan has never had the gun culture and history that this country has had, this country was MADE with guns. Japan is smaller than California, they are homogenous. What works there doesn't have a chance in hell of ever working here.
• majorspark

  

  You'll have to forgive Boatshoes. He's had a hard on ever since the election. Now that the republicans have begun their descent into forever minority status, the people recognize that the concept of limited federal government is only found in the minds of fringe nut cakes, and nationalized health care is only a decade or so away, he stroking to the coming utopia. Where the social engineers are getting a collective stiffy in anticipation of fixing all societal ills. If we are lucky they may allow us to pick the color of our Mao suits.
• HitsRus

  

  I mean **** like what you're talking about in Ireland is a national scandal there but is just a blip on the local news here. It's almost surreal how deadpanned the local news guys are when they say "A man was shot in the head execution style in East Cleveland last night. The Cleveland police are investigating."
  
  You tacitly admit it when you say it dominates the news over there. A guy was shot in broad daylight in the middle of NYC a couple of days ago but that gets no where near the hits that it would get in another country.

  
  It was a big deal because of the viciousness....and not a gun in sight.
• believer

  

  majorspark;1342129 wrote:If we are lucky they may allow us to pick the color of our Mao suits.

  Can you make mine pink to bring awareness to breast cancer please?
• BoatShoes

  tk421;1342095 wrote:I knew that was going to be your answer. How is banning drugs working out for this country? How did prohibition work out? You actually honestly are going to sit there and tell me that banning all weapons across this country would do a damn thing for crime? Really? Are you that naive? You can not shut the barn door after the animals have already left. It's too late, there are hundreds of millions of weapons legally in this country, and millions more illegally. There are 20K plus gun laws on the books. Liberals are naive if they think they can wave a magic wand and make guns disappear. Try it on a national level and see what happens, I guarantee you won't like the outcome.
  
  I honestly think you just like being contrary, there is no way you can be as stupid as you appear when you post stuff like that. Japan has never had the gun culture and history that this country has had, this country was MADE with guns. Japan is smaller than California, they are homogenous. What works there doesn't have a chance in hell of ever working here.

  
  
  There's a way but I don't think that is what you mean. Get your insults right. I think you mean to call me evil. :thumbup:
• majorspark

  

  believer;1342169 wrote:Can you make mine pink to bring awareness to breast cancer please?

  Fill out this 10 page request form and send it to the department of health and human services. They decide what cancer the people need made aware of. You'll have your answer in 90-120 days.
• hasbeen

  

  BoatShoes;1341611 wrote:
  You tacitly admit it when you say it dominates the news over there. A guy was shot in broad daylight in the middle of NYC a couple of days ago but that gets no where near the hits that it would get in another country.
  
  
  etc.

  This helps LJs culture of violence problem. Not sure how outlawing guns will change that.
• believer

  

  majorspark;1342348 wrote:Fill out this 10 page request form and send it to the department of health and human services. They decide what cancer the people need made aware of. You'll have your answer in 90-120 days.

  But Obama said we'd all be taken care of. Can't you just tax the rich and make it happen? Why do I need a death panel to make that decision for me?
• HitsRus

  

  http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
  
  Studies show over and over...no corelation between guns and violent crime.
• tk421

  

  I forgot that an inanimate object causes people to commit crime. If more guns equals more crime, Kentucky should be the crime leader of the country. Instead of looking at how many guns there are, I think we should look at WHO has the guns. Wonder what would happen if someone where to track the areas of highest AA concentration to areas of highest gun crimes?
  
  Chicago 436 homicides in 2010, whole entire state of Kentucky 180 homicides in 2010. Which area has the most guns? If more guns = more crime, I shouldn't go south across the river anymore.
• isadore

  much of the constitution and the bill of rights brillantly written to apply through time, but their are those exceptions
  the rules about suing the states quickly changed by the 11th amendment
  method of choosing president and vp fixed by the 12th
  but other outdated sections linger with us, the 2nd, 3rd and 7th amendment
  outdated by events.
• gut

  tk421;1342510 wrote: Chicago 436 homicides in 2010

  I believe they are over 800 this year...
• tk421

  

  overachievers
• BoatShoes

  tk421;1342510 wrote:I forgot that an inanimate object causes people to commit crime. If more guns equals more crime, Kentucky should be the crime leader of the country. Instead of looking at how many guns there are, I think we should look at WHO has the guns. Wonder what would happen if someone where to track the areas of highest AA concentration to areas of highest gun crimes?
  
  Chicago 436 homicides in 2010, whole entire state of Kentucky 180 homicides in 2010. Which area has the most guns? If more guns = more crime, I shouldn't go south across the river anymore.

  You're still looking at it within the national borders which seems problematic. The United States, by and large, has the highest rate of gun related injuries in the developed world, the most guns and the most police officers. Beyond that, it makes sense that densely populated areas that are blighted and have high crime rates anyway, as a section within a country with a lot of guns, is going to have a lot of gun violence. (i.e. Chicago). I mean, it makes sense that there would be a market to traffic in guns from, say, Kentucky into a city like Chicago that has high demand for them.
  
  I don't have all of the answers or maybe even any. And, it is true that the cat left the bag along time ago in the United States because there is a ton of guns out there. But, it would be nice if pro-gun folks could really just come to terms with reality and say "Well the evidence does indicate there's going to be more unnecessary deaths than in other developed countries and it's going to cost our country $100 billion a year but I want to keep my guns because I deserve to be free."
• Con_Alma

  BoatShoes;1342580 wrote:... But, it would be nice if pro-gun folks could really just come to terms with reality and say "Well the evidence does indicate there's going to be more unnecessary deaths than in other developed countries and it's going to cost our country $100 billion a year but I want to keep my guns because I deserve to be free."

  Why is this important at all to have such a statement or ackonowledgement?
  
  Unnecessary deaths or not, the right is unalienable.
• sleeper

  

  But, it would be nice if pro-gun folks could really just come to terms with reality and say "Well the evidence does indicate there's going to be more unnecessary deaths than in other developed countries and it's going to cost our country $100 billion a year but I want to keep my guns because I deserve to be free."

  And it would be nice to for Democrats to acknowledge they don't want voter IDs because they would take away a lot of their votes.
• BoatShoes

  HitsRus;1342418 wrote:http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
  
  Studies show over and over...no corelation between guns and violent crime.

  No acknowledgement over calling me an asshole for your own map-read fail
  
  But anyway. It's not about more guns = less crime or more guns = more crime. There are other underlying reasons for crime.
  
  If you look at your own previous citation there does seem to be a correlation between guns and gun related homicide/homicide in industrialized nations. For instance, other industrialized countries have similar amounts of crimes like, say, domestic violence. Those crimes are escalated into gun related homicides a lot here. Kids trespassing in Sweden don't become kids trespassing who are now gunned down. Bank Robberies with a little note become felony murders for the death of innocent bystanders, etc. We have drug/gang-related crime in a lot of urban areas which would exist either way due to strong demand for drugs and this escalates into gun related homicides that aren't prevalent in other industrialized nations with drug related crime...And, on and on.
  
  Guns seem offer marginal amounts of safety for white flighters in the suburbs from criminals or from a sudden tyrannical desire by a communist President in control of an Army of drones and nuclear weapons but they exacerbate the problems of crime and other ills of society.
  
  And that's fine...because it's embedded in our Constitution as necessary for a free state as it currently stands...but we ought to acknowledge these realities and consider them the cost of freedom.
• BoatShoes

  sleeper;1342592 wrote:And it would be nice to for Democrats to acknowledge they don't want voter IDs because they would take away a lot of their votes.

  The most liberal justice on the Supreme Court of late was fine with voter IDs and most democrats would be if there were honest and transparent attempts to help folks who might not have them or to allow other perfectly good ID's like Veteran's ID cards taking place over a reasonable time period.
  
  Plainly transparent attempts to pass "Voter ID" legislation as fast as possible to improve the chances of winning an election is not going to be popular however. :thumbup: