And they say Dems aren't trying to take guns away

• WebFire

  queencitybuckeye;1321747 wrote:Your mind-reading ability seems to be on the blink. Your assumption of my argument being based on fear is off the mark. It's similar to the old saw about people not wanting the cops to barge into their house having to mean that they have something to hide. As to my personality flaws, I have many, but insecurity is not among them IMO.
  
  
  
  
  It's not that far off, as you make a conscious (I hope) decision of whether to carry a weapon every single time you leave your home.

  So what is the difference between carrying my gun onto private land and driving my car on to private land? Both require licenses from the state of Ohio.
• queencitybuckeye

  WebFire;1321815 wrote:So what is the difference between carrying my gun onto private land and driving my car on to private land? Both require licenses from the state of Ohio.

  Under current law in the context of this discussion, none. Under the proposed changes to the law, quite a bit.
• WebFire

  queencitybuckeye;1321818 wrote:Under current law in the context of this discussion, none. Under the proposed changes to the law, quite a bit.

  I don't mean lawful differences. I mean difference of your opinion. Why is it ok to drive onto your property without permission (not trespass, mind you), but not to CONCEAL a handgun (that you would never even know I had)?
• WebFire

  queencitybuckeye;1321747 wrote:It's not that far off, as you make a conscious (I hope) decision of whether to carry a weapon every single time you leave your home.

  It's not even close. Hunting requires pre-planning for a designated activity in a designated area. Carrying is like putting your shoes on, and is part of your normal routine.
• gut

  You guys who carry, what's the motivation? Do you really feel that unsafe? I can see some people that might find themselves in bad areas due to work, family, commute, etc... But what prompts you to tolerate the nuisance of strapping-up to go to the corner drug store?
• Pick6

  

  gut;1321913 wrote:You guys who carry, what's the motivation? Do you really feel that unsafe? I can see some people that might find themselves in bad areas due to work, family, commute, etc... But what prompts you to tolerate the nuisance of strapping-up to go to the corner drug store?

  who said the guys that carry strap up to go to the drug store?
• LJ

  

  gut;1321913 wrote:You guys who carry, what's the motivation? Do you really feel that unsafe? I can see some people that might find themselves in bad areas due to work, family, commute, etc... But what prompts you to tolerate the nuisance of strapping-up to go to the corner drug store?

  
  Read my signature for your answer
• WebFire

  gut;1321913 wrote:You guys who carry, what's the motivation? Do you really feel that unsafe? I can see some people that might find themselves in bad areas due to work, family, commute, etc... But what prompts you to tolerate the nuisance of strapping-up to go to the corner drug store?

  Ever read the news?
  
  Peace of mind, and like guns. Why not carry? Once you get used to it, it's not really a nuisance. Like wearing glasses, I suppose.
• slingshot4ever

  Peace of mind??? Man up you fucking pansy.
• isadore

  http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/11/14/nra-lashes-out-at-dim-journalists-for-shatterin/191377
  
  
  gosh the nra looks like they maybe on the decline as a political power.
• WebFire

  slingshot4ever;1322033 wrote:Peace of mind??? Man up you fucking pansy.

  Ok, tough guy. :rolleyes:
• WebFire

  I love how some (ignorant) people think that because you carry a gun, you plan to go out and use and shoot up whoever and whenever you feel like it. Anyone threatened by a CHL holder is just damn ignorant.
• Hb31187

  

  That, or people know that in Ohio its not exactly hard to get a CHL.
• WebFire

  Hb31187;1322062 wrote:That, or people know that in Ohio its not exactly hard to get a CHL.

  Not sure how that is relevant. Bad guys don't go get their CHL.
• Hb31187

  

  WebFire;1322105 wrote:Not sure how that is relevant. Bad guys don't go get their CHL.

  You labeled ppl threatened by CHL holders as being ignorant. I explained to you that just because you have a CHL in Ohio doesnt mean you are responsible and I shouldnt be worried about you carrying a deadly weapon. Not sure how thats irrelevant
• gut

  LJ;1321919 wrote:Read my signature for your answer..."When he comes for you, I'm just a phone call... and a 20-minute drive away. I'll come as fast as I can."

  So you're an aspiring vigilante?
• WebFire

  Hb31187;1322108 wrote:You labeled ppl threatened by CHL holders as being ignorant. I explained to you that just because you have a CHL in Ohio doesnt mean you are responsible and I shouldnt be worried about you carrying a deadly weapon. Not sure how thats irrelevant

  Please show me stats that would make you worry.
• WebFire

  Actually, on second thought, don't. I'm not going to bother arguing about this. There is no point.
• superman

  gut;1321913 wrote:You guys who carry, what's the motivation? Do you really feel that unsafe? I can see some people that might find themselves in bad areas due to work, family, commute, etc... But what prompts you to tolerate the nuisance of strapping-up to go to the corner drug store?

  Based on recent election results, there is no shortage of people in our country that are willing to take what's yours and put it in their own pocket. There people are why I carry.
• Rotinaj

  

  Pick6;1321915 wrote:who said the guys that carry strap up to go to the drug store?

  Umm read webs numerous posts about taking it everywhere. Also web comparing parking his car with brining a gun into my house is beyond retarded.
• Hb31187

  

  WebFire;1322127 wrote:Actually, on second thought, don't. I'm not going to bother arguing about this. There is no point.

  Lol why do you get so defensive because I dont trust everyone with a CHL. You act like we're personally attacking you lol. All I'm saying is just because you sit through a day of class, doesnt mean i trust you fully with a loaded weapon I dont know you have
  
  I understand it doesnt matter what I think since you're licensed with ohio. But I dont think it makes me sound ignorant for not trusting everyone
• WebFire

  Rotinaj;1322134 wrote:Umm read webs numerous posts about taking it everywhere. Also web comparing parking his car with brining a gun into my house is beyond retarded.

  Who said anything about a house?
• WebFire

  Hb31187;1322140 wrote:Lol why do you get so defensive because I dont trust everyone with a CHL. You act like we're personally attacking you lol. All I'm saying is just because you sit through a day of class, doesnt mean i trust you fully with a loaded weapon I dont know you have

  Do you think a gun is going to jump out of someone's holster and shoot you. I present my challenge again. Show me stats that suggest you should worry about CHL carriers.
• isadore

  WebFire;1322105 wrote:Not sure how that is relevant. Bad guys don't go get their CHL.

  The Violence Policy Center’s Concealed Carry Killers database documents 356 incidents in 32 states since May 2007. In more than three quarters of the incidents (282) the concealed carry killer has already been convicted (108), committed suicide (167), or was killed in the incident (seven). Of the 64 cases still pending, the vast majority (51) of concealed carry killers have been charged with criminal homicide, five were deemed incompetent to stand trial, and eight incidents are still under investigation. An additional 10 incidents were fatal unintentional shootings involving the gun of the concealed handgun permit holder. Twenty-three of the incidents were mass shootings, resulting in the deaths of 103 victims.
  http://www.vpc.org/ccwkillers.htm
• Hb31187

  

  WebFire;1322143 wrote:Do you think a gun is going to jump out of someone's holster and shoot you. I present my challenge again. Show me stats that suggest you should worry about CHL carriers.

  So condescending. No of course a gun isnt gonna jump out of someones holster and shoot me. But with that ease at which you can get a CHL in Ohio there are just plenty of owners who arent exactly the most responsible. And all it takes is 1 slip up with a loaded handgun for something bad to happen. But again its almost comical how defensive you get over this topic lol