The Global War on Christians in the Muslim World

• BGFalcons82

  

  believer;1089558 wrote:Eh - The Feds are too busy "fast and furiously" preventing states like Arizona from enforcing federal immigration laws along our southern border to pay much attention to the difficulties of deporting wacko Shariaists back to the lands of the Great Prophet.

  I wonder if they'll aks him if he wanted to blow up the Capitol because our country propped up the Shah of Iran 30+ years ago? Maybe he's distraught that Egypt's Mubarek was an American puppet and Morocco was somehow someway harmed by it? Maybe he loved Saddam and was furious at our government? I'm certain he's fueled by American Interventionism into the Middle East and not his radical Islamic teachings. We'll have to keep a sharp eye.
• believer

  

  BGFalcons82;1089570 wrote:I wonder if they'll aks him if he wanted to blow up the Capitol because our country propped up the Shah of Iran 30+ years ago? Maybe he's distraught that Egypt's Mubarek was an American puppet and Morocco was somehow someway harmed by it? Maybe he loved Saddam and was furious at our government? I'm certain he's fueled by American Interventionism into the Middle East and not his radical Islamic teachings. We'll have to keep a sharp eye.

  And don't forget to aks him if he did it because of the eeeeeevil American-backed Zionists. They are a blight upon the Land of the Great Prophet and must be eradicated.
• jhay78

  

  http://www.therightscoop.com/root-of-intolerance-turkish-christians-face-persecution/
  

  [INDENT]CDN – Despite some promising developments, Christians in Turkey continue to suffer attacks from private citizens, discrimination by lower-level government officials and vilification in both school textbooks and news media, according to a study by a Protestant group.
  
  In its annual “Report on Human Rights Violations,” released in January, the country’s Association of Protestant Churches notes mixed indicators of improvement but states that there is a “root of intolerance” in Turkish society toward adherents of non-Islamic faiths.
  
  “The removal of this root of intolerance is an urgent problem that still awaits to be dealt with,” the report states. …
  The report documented 12 attacks against Christians in 2011, including incidents in which individuals were beaten in Istanbul for sharing their faith, church members were threatened and church buildings attacked. None of the attackers have been charged. In some of the attacks, the victims declined to bring charges against the assailants.
  
  In some places in Turkey, some church leaders have to “live under some sort of police protection,” the report reads.
  “There are at least five church leaders who have bodyguards, and at least two have a direct phone line to a police protection unit,” the report states. “Several churches have police protection during worship services.”
  
  Yildirim saidattacks have increased since the previous year, and that much of the problem lies in the fact that the Turkish government won’t admit there is a problem. The state routinely characterizes attacks on Christians as isolated acts of violence rather than the result of intolerance within elements across Turkish society. …
  
  There are an estimated 120,000 Christians in Turkey, of which 3,000 are Protestants. Sunni Muslims make up close to 99 percent of the country’s 75 million people, according to United Nations’ population figures.
  
  Attacks against Christians come from those who, at a minimum, question the “Turkishness” of Christian nationals or who, at the extreme, view Christians as spies out to destroy the country from within. Many of the more horrific attacks, such as the 2007 torture and killing of three Christians in Malatya, have been linked to members of nationalist movements. The criminal case into the murders continues without a court ruling thus far.
  
  Along with attacks, Christians in Turkey continue to have problems establishing places of worship. The worst incident in that regard last year was on Dec. 23, when the local government of Istanbul’s Sancaktepe district sealed the entrance to the floor of a building rented by the Istanbul Family Life Association, allegedly because of licensing issues.
  
  “When individuals went to the municipality to inquire about the situation, they were told there would not be any activity by the association allowed in that area and that the seal would not be removed,” the report states. “In the same building there are bars and cafes that continue their work along with other businesses. It is only the church association activities that are being banned; they are targets of hate speech and open favoritism of others.”
  
  The report also identifies state policies that single out Christian children for harassment or vilification. A civics book, “The History of the Turkish Republic’s Reforms and ‘Ataturkism,’” taught to eighth-grade students, continues to characterize “missionary activities” as a national threat. The Ministry of Education ignored the association’s efforts to change the language, according to the association’s report.
  
  “This example vividly shows that prejudice and intolerance has been built up by the Ministry of Education and has been worked into the thinking of others,” the report states.
  Along with the government, the association points a finger squarely at Turkish news media for perceived bigotry toward Turkish Christians.
  
  “The increase in the slanderous and misinformation-filled and subjective reporting with regard to Christians in 2011 is a worrisome development,” the report states.
  Being a Christian is often characterized in the news media as a negative thing, according to the study, and many legal activities of church bodies were portrayed as if they were illegal or a liability to society. Some church groups were falsely linked to at least one terrorist group.
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• believer

  

  ^^^It's all political. No religious persecution here.
• isadore

  120,000 Christians in Turkey today, they did some Christian population control back in 1915 when they killed over a million of them.
• BGFalcons82

  

  This pretty much sums up this thread - http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/02/22/iran-court-convicts-christian-pastor-convert-to-death/
  
  The summary:

  A trial court in Iran has issued its final verdict, ordering a Christian pastor to be put to death for leaving Islam and converting to Christianity, according to sources close to the pastor and his legal team.Supporters fear Youcef Nadarkhani, a 34-year-old father of two who was arrested over two years ago on charges of apostasy, may now be executed at any time without prior warning, as death sentences in Iran may be carried out immediately or dragged out for years.[URL="http://[/QUOTE"][/QUOTE[/URL]]
  
  I wonder if this is why Barry never talks about his Muslim heritage (via his daddy)?

• QuakerOats

  BGFalcons82;1093059 wrote:I wonder if this is why Barry never talks about his Muslim heritage (via his daddy)?

  
  He's a little too busy apologizing again today to the Muslim world:
  
  http://news.yahoo.com/obama-expresses-deep-regret-over-koran-burning-130521907.html
• Footwedge

  believer;1091409 wrote:^^^It's all political. No religious persecution here.

  Collateral damage, no? But that's nothing. We wiped out about 150,000 Muslims through shock and awe...so it's all good.
• believer

  

  Footwedge;1094165 wrote:Collateral damage, no? But that's nothing. We wiped out about 150,000 Muslims through shock and awe...so it's all good.

  Onward Christian soldiers, eh? :rolleyes:
• HitsRus

  

  2 American servicemen were killed and 4 wounded when an Afghan soldier turned on his American allies because he was mad about the Koran being burned....an incident/accident that has been profusely apologized for by not only the military but by the President himself.
  
  ...waiting for Afghan authorities to apologize for the soldier's actions....taking the life of two people who were not even involved. Has anyone heard if this has happened?
• Footwedge

  HitsRus;1094195 wrote:2 American servicemen were killed and 4 wounded when an Afghan soldier turned on his American allies because he was mad about the Koran being burned....an incident/accident that has been profusely apologized for by not only the military but by the President himself.
  
  ...waiting for Afghan authorities to apologize for the soldier's actions....taking the life of two people who were not even involved. Has anyone heard if this has happened?

  American training of Afghan soldiers have had them turn and kill American trainers over several months now. The mainstream media never talks about it. It's called..."get out of my country". "You're not wanted here."
  
  Maybe if Obama had actually served in the front lines he would put a stop to all the carnage and bloodshed. The Afghan War is the longest war we have ever been involved with. For what? The number of global terrorists have increased and attacks and attempted attacks on Europe and America have increased....since 9-11.
  
  As long as the politicians continue to perpetuate the illusion that we are safer today by fighting em over there instead of fighting em over here, the flow of body bags back to the states will continue.
  
  No wonder Ron Paul gets almost all of the military family donations.
• believer

  

  Footwedge;1094219 wrote:As long as the politicians continue to perpetuate the illusion that we are safer today by fighting em over there instead of fighting em over here, the flow of body bags back to the states will continue.

  Your hyperbole never ceases to amaze me. While I wholeheartedly agree that now that we have eliminated OBL, it's time to get out of Afghanistan.
  
  Yes - even one American death has been too much. In the 10 1/2 years we've been there we've lost 1,783 people or roughly 180 per year. The next longest war (Viet Nam) produced 58,220 deaths or approximately 5,800 per year. In WWII we lost 417,000 in just 4 years. Do the math on that one. Comparatively speaking Afghanistan has been a relatively - um - bloodless war.
  
  But "flow of body bags"? If C'mon....:rolleyes:
• believer

  

  Footwedge;1094219 wrote:As long as the politicians continue to perpetuate the illusion that we are safer today by fighting em over there instead of fighting em over here, the flow of body bags back to the states will continue.

  I wholeheartedly agree that now that we have eliminated OBL, it's time to get out of Afghanistan.
  
  Yes - even one American death in any war is too much. Still, in the 10 1/2 years we've been there we've lost 1,783 people or roughly 180 per year. The next longest war (Viet Nam) produced 58,220 deaths or approximately 5,800 per year. In WWII we lost 417,000 in just 4 years. Do the math on that one. Comparatively speaking Afghanistan has been a relatively - um - bloodless war.
  
  But "flow of body bags"? Your hyperbole never ceases to amaze me. C'mon....:rolleyes:
• isadore

  with any excuse or no excuse Muslims will kill members of another religion. They are just following the example of their founder.
• Footwedge

  believer;1094419 wrote:I wholeheartedly agree that now that we have eliminated OBL, it's time to get out of Afghanistan.
  
  Yes - even one American death in any war is too much. Still, in the 10 1/2 years we've been there we've lost 1,783 people or roughly 180 per year. The next longest war (Viet Nam) produced 58,220 deaths or approximately 5,800 per year. In WWII we lost 417,000 in just 4 years. Do the math on that one. Comparatively speaking Afghanistan has been a relatively - um - bloodless war.
  
  But "flow of body bags"? Your hyperbole never ceases to amaze me. C'mon....:rolleyes:

  To the 1700 dead soldiers and their loved ones, this war/occupation has been an expensive one..and the phrase "flow of body bags" is quite apropro. Dick Cheney, one of the most well renowned American chicken hawks of all time had this to say regarding a "measly" 146 dead soldiers following Desert Storm.
  
  Cheney.."for the 146 soldiers that were killed in Desert Storm, it wasn't a cheap war". Believer, relative morality is a $hit excuse.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9YuD9kYK9I&feature=related
• believer

  

  Footwedge;1095491 wrote:Believer, relative morality is a $hit excuse.

  I wasn't referring to "relative morality" and you know it. I was referring to your bullshit hyperbole...and it most certainly is.
  
  I even said "even one American death in any war is too much" plus I agree that we need to get out of Afghanistan. Yet you - as per usual - fail to give credit where credit is due in a vain effort to prove your own tiresome "I'm superior to the war mongers" holier than thou rhetoric.
• Footwedge

  believer;1095554 wrote:I wasn't referring to "relative morality" and you know it. I was referring to your bull**** hyperbole...and it most certainly is.
  
  I even said "even one American death in any war is too much" plus I agree that we need to get out of Afghanistan. Yet you - as per usual - fail to give credit where credit is due in a vain effort to prove your own tiresome "I'm superior to the war mongers" holier than thou rhetoric.

  If you don't like my "tiresome" posts, then don't read them. I don't have a problem at all putting up with yours.
• believer

  

  Footwedge;1095562 wrote:If you don't like my "tiresome" posts, then don't read them. I don't have a problem at all putting up with yours.

  I have no issues reading neo-libertarian Paul Bot Borg wing nut posts.
• dwccrew

  

  believer;1094419 wrote:I wholeheartedly agree that now that we have eliminated OBL, it's time to get out of Afghanistan.
  
  Yes - even one American death in any war is too much. Still, in the 10 1/2 years we've been there we've lost 1,783 people or roughly 180 per year. The next longest war (Viet Nam) produced 58,220 deaths or approximately 5,800 per year. In WWII we lost 417,000 in just 4 years. Do the math on that one. Comparatively speaking Afghanistan has been a relatively - um - bloodless war.
  
  But "flow of body bags"? Your hyperbole never ceases to amaze me. C'mon....:rolleyes:

  The problem with the Vietnam and Afghanistan wars is that nothing has changed because of the war. Well, I guess that isn't entirely true. Vietnam ended up being overtaken entirely by the communists that we were fighting. And we at least killed OBL, as you pointed out, however I don't think we really needed to fight for 10.5 years in Afghanistan to covertly kill OBL in Pakistan.
  
  IMO, we could have killed OBL through CIA intelligence work just as well, perhaps earlier than we did, compared to fighting an expensive and long war in Afghanistan. All we have done is put another person in power who will not be allied with us. Ditch that entire area of the world. Than you guys won't have to whine about "muslims killing christians", the muslims will kill each other.
• Footwedge

  believer;1095565 wrote:I have no issues reading neo-libertarian Paul Bot Borg wing nut posts.

  Try calling us PaulPots...(Cambodia anyone) Anyone? Maybe that will fix us, eh?
• believer

  

  dwccrew;1095595 wrote:The problem with the Vietnam and Afghanistan wars is that nothing has changed because of the war. Well, I guess that isn't entirely true. Vietnam ended up being overtaken entirely by the communists that we were fighting. And we at least killed OBL, as you pointed out, however I don't think we really needed to fight for 10.5 years in Afghanistan to covertly kill OBL in Pakistan.
  
  IMO, we could have killed OBL through CIA intelligence work just as well, perhaps earlier than we did, compared to fighting an expensive and long war in Afghanistan. All we have done is put another person in power who will not be allied with us. Ditch that entire area of the world. Than you guys won't have to whine about "muslims killing christians", the muslims will kill each other.

  You're preaching to the choir on this particular issue. I have always scratched my head on how this whole Iraq/Afghan war issue has been handled.
  

  Footwedge;1095646 wrote:Try calling us PaulPots...(Cambodia anyone) Anyone? Maybe that will fix us, eh?

  Clever!
  
• believer

  

  dwccrew;1095595 wrote:The problem with the Vietnam and Afghanistan wars is that nothing has changed because of the war. Well, I guess that isn't entirely true. Vietnam ended up being overtaken entirely by the communists that we were fighting. And we at least killed OBL, as you pointed out, however I don't think we really needed to fight for 10.5 years in Afghanistan to covertly kill OBL in Pakistan.
  
  IMO, we could have killed OBL through CIA intelligence work just as well, perhaps earlier than we did, compared to fighting an expensive and long war in Afghanistan. All we have done is put another person in power who will not be allied with us. Ditch that entire area of the world. Than you guys won't have to whine about "muslims killing christians", the muslims will kill each other.

  You're preaching to the choir on this particular issue. I have always scratched my head on how this whole Iraq/Afghan war issue has been handled.
  

  Footwedge;1095646 wrote:Try calling us PaulPots...(Cambodia anyone) Anyone? Maybe that will fix us, eh?

  Clever!
• isadore

  Islam, the religion of tolerance and peace
  "A Christian pastor who converted from Islam is to be put to death for leaving Islam following the ruling of an Iranian court, it was reported today.
  Youcef Nadarkhani, 34, was arrested more than two years ago on charges of apostasy, and has now been sentenced to death by an Iranian court for refusing to renounce his Christianity, according to the pastor's legal team.
  The father-of-two had defied a request by the Gilan provincial court, in Rasht, Iran, to repent, and now faces death by hanging."
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2105024/Christian-pastor-faces-execution-Iran-refusing-renounce-faith.html
• believer

  

  isadore;1095789 wrote:Islam, the religion of tolerance and peace

  As long as you agree to become Muslim, obey the caliphate, adhere to Sharia Law, treat your women as second-class citizens, follow the Pillars of Islam, pay your alms, avoid pork, fast during Ramadan, make a pilgrimage to Mecca, stop & pray 5 times a day, strap bombs to your children to wipe out the infidel, and wipe your ass with the proper hand you will be tolerated and may live in peace.
• believer

  

  isadore;1095789 wrote:Islam, the religion of tolerance and peace

  As long as you agree to become a Muslim, obey the caliphate, adhere to Sharia Law, treat your women as second-class citizens, follow the Pillars of Islam, pay your alms, avoid pork, fast during Ramadan, make a pilgrimage to Mecca, stop & pray 5 times a day, strap bombs to your children to apostates & infidels, show a healthy desire to nuke Israel into oblivion, believe the United State to be the Great Satan, and wipe your ass with the proper hand you will be tolerated and may live in peace.