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Describe How You Think a Merit Based Pay System Would Work

  • BRF
    Belly35;754862 wrote:Can there be comparison the usefulness of the Unions to the usefulness of the NAACP? Have they both out grown there place in society?



    open can of worms... :D

    Belly, I knew that you would one day respond to my pro-union stance. :-). BRF gives a big shout out to you!

    So. Belly, if you had something good and someone tried to take it away from you...what would you do? Fight it? I know your answer, but don't respond by saying that this is different.

    You still da man in BRF's book!
  • WebFire
    BRF;754893 wrote:Belly, I knew that you would one day respond to my pro-union stance. :-). BRF gives a big shout out to you!

    So. Belly, if you had something good and someone tried to take it away from you...what would you do? Fight it? I know your answer, but don't respond by saying that this is different.

    You still da man in BRF's book!

    Refer to my last post.
  • BRF
    WebFire;755002 wrote:Refer to my last post.

    You don't send BRF on a post chase. Just spit it out.
  • WebFire
    Yeah, it's so hard to find my last post. The union has spoiled you!
  • ernest_t_bass
    WebFire;755040 wrote:Yeah, it's so hard to find my last post. The union has spoiled you!

    Ugh
  • WebFire
    ernest_t_bass;755056 wrote:Ugh

    Just play along. ;)
  • Glory Days
    WebFire;755112 wrote:Just play along. ;)

    hold on, we'll have to confer with our union boss before we will go back and look for your last post.
  • BRF
    Glory Days;755307 wrote:hold on, we'll have to confer with our union boss before we will go back and look for your last post.

    Right! My union boss told me not to go back and look it up!...ha ha

    Seriously, though, what was the point you were trying to make, WebFire?
  • sleeper
    Glory Days;754464 wrote:you referring to me? what i was saying is you may get a ticket every time you get pulled over. you may get a citation for the dumbest crimes because that cop is going to be showing he is working etc.

    Isn't that a good thing? If someone is breaking the law, then they deserve the citation.

    And for the 4000th time, there are thousands of jobs in the private sector that don't have quotas or direct ways of measuring the value of an employee, the public sector will figure it out.

    Also, when you're done crying, I've heard McDonalds is hiring.
  • BRF
    sleeper;755313 wrote: If someone is breaking the law, then they deserve the citation.

    I want you to remember this statement the next time you are stopped by a cop, especially a statie. Should you be ticketed because a statie stopped you for a tail light out, for example, instead of a warning to get it fixed promptly? OR get your ticket because you were "breaking the law" and the cop was working on his "merit pay"? And eat it, because that is the "new" way to balance the "horrific" imbalance of private sector jobs vs. public sector jobs.
  • sleeper
    BRF;755331 wrote:I want you to remember this statement the next time you are stopped by a cop, especially a statie. Should you be ticketed because a statie stopped you for a tail light out, for example, instead of a warning to get it fixed promptly? OR get your ticket because you were "breaking the law" and the cop was working on his "merit pay"? And eat it, because that is the "new" way to balance the "horrific" imbalance of private sector jobs vs. public sector jobs.
    I'm rich. I don't give a shit about tickets. LOL
  • WebFire
    BRF;755331 wrote:I want you to remember this statement the next time you are stopped by a cop, especially a statie. Should you be ticketed because a statie stopped you for a tail light out, for example, instead of a warning to get it fixed promptly? OR get your ticket because you were "breaking the law" and the cop was working on his "merit pay"? And eat it, because that is the "new" way to balance the "horrific" imbalance of private sector jobs vs. public sector jobs.

    Vote against SB5 so we don't get taillight tickets!!!!!!!!!
  • BRF
    sleeper;755489 wrote:I'm rich. I don't give a shit about tickets. LOL

    And there you go. The rich telling the middle class working "Joe's" how it's going to be. While they LOL.


    And WebFire: Your tongue in cheek statement may actually be true for some voters.
  • sleeper
    BRF;755559 wrote:And there you go. The rich telling the middle class working "Joe's" how it's going to be. While they LOL.


    And WebFire: Your tongue in cheek statement may actually be true for some voters.
    I just find it hilarious that the public sector thinks merit based pay is going to be based on how many tickets are issued or how many fires were put out. If I were in the public sector, I'd be embarrassed about the lack of intelligence and common sense by my peers. Like I said, McDonalds is hiring.
  • BRF
    sleeper;755576 wrote:. Like I said, McDonalds is hiring.

    And for a teacher with 10 or 15 years in, that might be a good choice with what is proposed. Like you said...."Hilarious"!
  • majorspark
    BRF;755331 wrote:I want you to remember this statement the next time you are stopped by a cop, especially a statie. Should you be ticketed because a statie stopped you for a tail light out, for example, instead of a warning to get it fixed promptly? OR get your ticket because you were "breaking the law" and the cop was working on his "merit pay"? And eat it, because that is the "new" way to balance the "horrific" imbalance of private sector jobs vs. public sector jobs.

    Whether an officer issues a warning or a ticket both are a recorded stop. The officer should run plates, check registration, proof of insurance, check for warrants, and run the driver's license through the system. The only difference when an officer issues a citation is money is collected. The officers discretion on whether to issue a fine or warning is guided by and reviewed by his superiors. I can tell you this an officer's merit would never be measured by how many broken taillight citations he has made LOL. Your average meter maid could do that.

    When my taillight goes out I go down to the auto parts store and by a new bulb for a couple of bucks. So I would not have to worry about your scary scenario anyways.
  • BRF
    majorspark;755586 wrote: So I would not have to worry about your scary scenario anyways.

    YOU wouldn't worry about it but I'll bet that a lot of voters WILL, "merit pay" and all.
  • majorspark
    BRF;755588 wrote:YOU wouldn't worry about it but I'll bet that a lot of voters WILL, "merit pay" and all.

    Voters will be worrying about a lot of things. Getting tickets for their taillight being out will not be one of them.
  • sleeper
    BRF;755584 wrote:And for a teacher with 10 or 15 years in, that might be a good choice with what is proposed. Like you said...."Hilarious"!

    "Years in" means nothing. It doesn't matter how long you've been doing something if you still blow at doing it.

    Welcome to the real world.
  • WebFire
    BRF;755584 wrote:And for a teacher with 10 or 15 years in, that might be a good choice with what is proposed. Like you said...."Hilarious"!

    Doing good work to keep your job and get paid increases is what's proposed. What a concept!
  • BRF
    You will see "the real world" in November on the Referendum. And I'll bet that many of the SB5 booster club on here won't even bother to show up at the polls. (Probably not even registered to vote, too)
  • Belly35
    Here the problem:

    I support the local high school on every bond issue level, every program and donate addition to money to the school special program and event, that support if the teacher / Union wants to make this ugly (they have already). That support, additional money and bond levyl support is stopped. As of now my support of the school has ended.
    I give only to student scholarship program and athletics.

    If I was a young teacher I would not support the Union … because with community support stops they will be the first to be gone….
  • dwccrew
    BRF;754741 wrote:No, I don't want to "get it" because the SB5 proponents want to tell the public sector how it should be and expect us to just take it. When someone has something and another tries to take it away, there will be heel dragging and then there will be a fight.

    Well someone is providing the funds to the other, so they should be able to make the decision whether they deserve more, less or the same.

    I find it comical that some on here think that cops or firefighters "merit pay" would consist of responses, tickets issued, fires put out, etc. I would think prevention would be more of a basis for merit pay. Crime rates go down, less fires, etc., that should be the basis for merit pay IMO. I'd be willing to pay higher taxes in a community in which crime was low because the police force was good at keeping the streets safe. Schools were exceptional at providing quality education, etc.
  • Glory Days
    sleeper;755313 wrote:Isn't that a good thing? If someone is breaking the law, then they deserve the citation.
    And for the 4000th time, there are thousands of jobs in the private sector that don't have quotas or direct ways of measuring the value of an employee, the public sector will figure it out.
    Also, when you're done crying, I've heard McDonalds is hiring.
    No its not a good thing, citizens already hate when cops do their job.
    And for the 4001th time, the public sector is not a business, your argument fails everytime. And I thought someone of your superior education would have a better answer than “they will figure it out”.
    Also, when you are done crying, you should have become a public worker since they are so well off.
    majorspark;755586 wrote:Whether an officer issues a warning or a ticket both are a recorded stop. The officer should run plates, check registration, proof of insurance, check for warrants, and run the driver's license through the system. The only difference when an officer issues a citation is money is collected. The officers discretion on whether to issue a fine or warning is guided by and reviewed by his superiors. I can tell you this an officer's merit would never be measured by how many broken taillight citations he has made LOL. Your average meter maid could do that.
    When my taillight goes out I go down to the auto parts store and by a new bulb for a couple of bucks. So I would not have to worry about your scary scenario anyways.
    Not only is money collected, but points can be assessed on the driver’s license etc. so there is more than just money involved. Also, officer’s merit is based on several things, citations(sometimes taillight tickets haha) is one of them. Unless an officer is arresting 10 felons a day (which isn’t likely anywhere), having 0 citations will not look good.
    dwccrew;755830 wrote:Well someone is providing the funds to the other, so they should be able to make the decision whether they deserve more, less or the same.
    I find it comical that some on here think that cops or firefighters "merit pay" would consist of responses, tickets issued, fires put out, etc. I would think prevention would be more of a basis for merit pay. Crime rates go down, less fires, etc., that should be the basis for merit pay IMO. I'd be willing to pay higher taxes in a community in which crime was low because the police force was good at keeping the streets safe. Schools were exceptional at providing quality education, etc.
    Crime going down and less fires though are not always and often results of outside factors, not police or firemen. Plus, cops in urban areas where crime is always a problem will never get paid more no matter how much work they do? That doesn’t make sense.
  • BRF
    Glory Days! Tellin' it like it is.