Governor Kasich

• Writerbuckeye

  

  stlouiedipalma;714586 wrote:There has been reference made here of Kasich "privatizing" certain services of the state goverment. Can anyone please be specific on what programs or services he is thinking of?

  
  Rumors: liquor sales and lottery are two I've read/heard.
• stlouiedipalma

  I don't see any problem with those two at all. I'm sure there are a lot of other things the state would be better off getting out of, as well.
• LJ

  

  Believe he wants to sell off some minimum security prisons too
• stlouiedipalma

  Any more talk of privatizing the Turnpike?
• Mr. 300

  

  stlouiedipalma;714795 wrote:Any more talk of privatizing the Turnpike?

  He was on the Triv show today and mentioned this is still on the table.
• cbus4life

  I haven't looked at it a ton, but from what i've read, seems pretty darn good. Tough decisions had to be made, and it seems like those have been made while trying to hurt the least amount of people.
  
  Will hold off on judging it completely until i'm able to delve further into it, but from what i've seen, looks good.
• O-Trap

  

  Wouldn't mind those at all.
• Thread Bomber

  

  Lately, I have become a fan of Government unintervention.....
• Ty Webb

  

  Looking at his budget....
  
  Ohio has made a giant ass mistake
• O-Trap

  

  Ty Webb;715066 wrote:Looking at his budget....
  
  Ohio has made a giant ass mistake

  I doubt we'd be seeing anything better, no matter who they voted for, to be honest.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  A well written column from the Plain Dealer on Kasich's budget, that nails it, in my view.
  
  http://www.cleveland.com/obrien/index.ssf/2011/03/an_honest_budget_like_it_or_no.html
• FatHobbit

  

  Ty Webb;715066 wrote:Looking at his budget....
  
  Ohio has made a giant ass mistake

  
  Lol, I think you were going to hate whatever he came up with similar to how other posters here are going to hate anything Obama comes up with.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  If you're a public employee in Ohio (at any level) you probably don't like Kasich. He's trying to balance the playing field for taxpayers, and the unions HATE it. They don't want to give one red cent up to make things more equitable -- which tells you all you need to know about public sector unions and why they should never have been allowed to form.
  
  Dick Celeste and the Democrat General Assembly screwed this state good when they pushed that approval through.
• tsst_fballfan

  

  Kevin OBrien at the PD wrote:... there is a limit to what the people are willing to pay for government. The real reaction to Kasich's budget -- the response that comes from the people who write the checks rather than the people who collect them -- will tell us whether Ohioans have reached that limit.

  cost+ is no longer sustainable!
• Bigdogg

  The only thing I see in his budget good is privatizing the liquor sales in Ohio, although it is a very good revenue stream even in a depression. The government should only be involved in things that the private sector is unwilling or unable to provide the public at a reasonable cost. Unfortunately, even this Kasich is screwing up. He is giving Robsohio this revenue stream, breaking a promise just weeks ago that Robsohio would be funded by the private sector. I am sure writer and the boys are just fine with this one to.
  
  Lets look at his proposal a bit deeper, and see how us taxpayers are getting screwed again.
  
  Let’s look at the math:
  

  Profits on liquor sales generate $228 million for the state of Ohio every year. JobsOhio is set to take over liquor sales oversight and own that revenue stream. They, in turn, will sell 30 years worth of that revenue — worth around $6.8 billion — to a group of investors (recruited by a Wall Street firm, who will of course take a cut) in return for a lump sum payment to the state.
  
  According to the administration, they expect to receive about $1.5 billion in return for this $6+ billion in state revenue. Of that, around $300 million will fund JobsOhio, $700 million will defease the bonds that are currently back by liquor profits and $500 million will go to the state general fund to plug the current budget hole.
  
  How many problems do you see here?
  
  * We are selling nearly $7 billion in revenue for $1.5 billion
  * If there are $700 million in outstanding bonds against liquor profits floated by the state, it will likely cost far more than $700 million to pay them off and float new bonds. And they clearly intend to float new bonds, as the liquor-backed economic development programs funded by the bonds — including the facilities establishment fund at ODOD — are fully funded for both years in the Governor’s budget.
  * JobsOhio is an unproven entity, the legality of whose business model is questionable according to the Ohio constitution. How attractive, in these credit markets, will its bonds be to investors? At best, we’re probably talking junk bond ratings, perhaps explaining why the State is paying such an insane premium to get anyone to invest.

  http://ohiobudgetwatch.com/2011/03/wall-street-math-jobs-ohio-funding-resolved/
  
  Plus no money is designated for alcohol abuse as was previously. Kasich will do for Ohio would he did for his last job at Lehman Brothers. Keep defending this moron.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  I'm intrigued by the budget from what I read. The only thing I would object to, is from what my dad was telling me, (who worked out at SOCF prison) is they want to close another watch tower on the prison grounds. Given there are two schools within a few miles of the prison, I would advise against that.
  
  Other than that, like NJ and NY, Ohio is now an experiment.
• stlouiedipalma

  As I see it, the only downside to selling off a state-run business is whether the state is making money from said business. A big front-loaded sum may look good right now, but will the state lose money in the long run? After all, if someone or some corporation wants to make that deal, there is probably long-term profit to be had.
• queencitybuckeye

  stlouiedipalma;715792 wrote:After all, if someone or some corporation wants to make that deal, there is probably long-term profit to be had.

  
  Yes, but a corporation making money on it long-term does not automatically mean the state could have.
• tsst_fballfan

  

  ptown_trojans_1;715597 wrote:I'm intrigued by the budget from what I read. The only thing I would object to, is from what my dad was telling me, (who worked out at SOCF prison) is they want to close another watch tower on the prison grounds. Given there are two schools within a few miles of the prison, I would advise against that.
  
  Other than that, like NJ and NY, Ohio is now an experiment.

  Possible solution ... convert prisons back into prisons. Eliminate the bball courts, weight rooms, TV rooms, libraries, legal services, etc. Keep them locked in their cells 22 hrs a day. The only out of cell time is for meals which should consist of cold cereal and water for breakfast, pb&j and water for lunch, chicken or beef broth and water for dinner(the same every single day). Build more cells with the money saved from bball courts etc to keep prisoners locked up for full sentences. :shrugs:
  
  I guess this should be it's own topic.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  tsst_fballfan;716255 wrote:Possible solution ... convert prisons back into prisons. Eliminate the bball courts, weight rooms, TV rooms, libraries, legal services, etc. Keep them locked in their cells 22 hrs a day. The only out of cell time is for meals which should consist of cold cereal and water for breakfast, pb&j and water for lunch, chicken or beef broth and water for dinner(the same every single day). Build more cells with the money saved from bball courts etc to keep prisoners locked up for full sentences. :shrugs:
  
  I guess this should be it's own topic.

  They do that at SOCF, it is 23 hour lockdown in two sections, and other have large restrictions.
  I'd say it is one of the three prisons that should not have any cuts. (The others being Youngstown and Mansfield)
• BoatShoes

  tsst_fballfan;716255 wrote:Possible solution ... convert prisons back into prisons. Eliminate the bball courts, weight rooms, TV rooms, libraries, legal services, etc. Keep them locked in their cells 22 hrs a day. The only out of cell time is for meals which should consist of cold cereal and water for breakfast, pb&j and water for lunch, chicken or beef broth and water for dinner(the same every single day). Build more cells with the money saved from bball courts etc to keep prisoners locked up for full sentences. :shrugs:
  
  I guess this should be it's own topic.

  
  Where do these untrue beliefs come from?
• Bigdogg

  Interesting analysis from the Buckeye Institute, a conservative leaning think tank.
  

  We would, however, caution Governor Kasich on over-‐relying on savings achieved by programmatic consolidation and other “streamlining” efforts. Many a politician has sought such savings only to find them illusory or stymied by the bureaucracy. Vigilance will be required to make these savings happen.

  On the hit to local government and the tax implications:
  
  Because of this total [State/local] tax burden, we had encouraged Governor Kasich to hold a tax reform summit with representatives from local governments to come up with a solution to Ohio’s tax burden. Our belief is that eliminating a tax “here” that pops up again over “there” simply rearranges the chairs on the deck of the Titanic. We need a thoughtful discussion on how to restructure our governmental units and taxes in Ohio to make us competitive with other states. Instead, Governor Kasich’s budget makes deep cuts in funding to local governments and keeps revenues projected to go to local governments. Because of a few solid reforms in procurements and other areas, as well as the projected savings from passage of Senate Bill 5, Governor Kasich’s budget presumes that local governments will have the flexibility to adjust their budgets accordingly.
  
  We are not as hopeful.

  
  http://www.buckeyeinstitute.org/uploads/files/Analysis%20of%20Governor%20John%20Kasich%E2%80%99s%202012-2013%20Budget.pdf
• LJ

  

  BoatShoes;716301 wrote:Where do these untrue beliefs come from?

  
  Which untrue beliefs? An ex of mine's brother was locked up in Ross County Correctional for 15 years for armed robbery. He had his own TV (with cable) and stereo in his cell, was outside for about 6 hours per day, they had just taken away the weights because of fights with them and had multiple basketball courts.
• Bigdogg

  BoatShoes;716301 wrote:Where do these untrue beliefs come from?

  
  We should make prisoners work for corporations like slave labor. Then we get more companies to move to Ohio for free labor and the consumers get less costly products and the corporations make even more profits. Everybody wins! Surprised Kasich has not thought of that one yet
• tsst_fballfan

  

  BoatShoes;716301 wrote:Where do these untrue beliefs come from?

  oh vey! :rollseyes: