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Governor Kasich

  • O-Trap
    queencitybuckeye;708051 wrote:There's no reason that states should not have to complete for employers. In fact, economic growth is a primary role of state government.
    I actually disagree with this. States could simply jack up obscene non-income-based taxes on everyone else in order to have more with which to bid.
  • queencitybuckeye
    O-Trap;708098 wrote:I actually disagree with this. States could simply jack up obscene non-income-based taxes on everyone else in order to have more with which to bid.

    States have to complete for "everyone else" as well. If you try to pay for a break for company X by screwing me, I have 49 (or 56) other states from which to choose.
  • O-Trap
    queencitybuckeye;708123 wrote:States have to complete for "everyone else" as well. If you try to pay for a break for company X by screwing me, I have 49 (or 56) other states from which to choose.
    Ah, interesting.

    Even still, some states, on population alone, would end up being the "New York Yankees" of this kind of thing.

    I'd just as soon keep government at all levels out of private industry as much as possible (not entirely, but only in such cases that are absolutely necessary).
  • queencitybuckeye
    O-Trap;708127 wrote:I'd just as soon keep government at all levels out of private industry as much as possible (not entirely, but only in such cases that are absolutely necessary).

    You're a wise, wise man.
  • LJ
    O-Trap;708127 wrote:Ah, interesting.

    Even still, some states, on population alone, would end up being the "New York Yankees" of this kind of thing.

    I'd just as soon keep government at all levels out of private industry as much as possible (not entirely, but only in such cases that are absolutely necessary).

    It's strictly an opportunity cost thing. Give up $x amount of tax revenue for 3 years, or give up $x amount forever...
  • O-Trap
    LJ;708140 wrote:It's strictly an opportunity cost thing. Give up $x amount of tax revenue for 3 years, or give up $x amount forever...
    Oh I understand that part of it.

    I'm not saying keeping Bob Evan's in Ohio wasn't a good thing. I'm just not sure I'm okay with doing it by, essentially, buying them off or bribing them, which this does resemble, much as I don't like to admit.
  • LJ
    O-Trap;708148 wrote:Oh I understand that part of it.

    I'm not saying keeping Bob Evan's in Ohio wasn't a good thing. I'm just not sure I'm okay with doing it by, essentially, buying them off or bribing them, which this does resemble, much as I don't like to admit.

    The state SHOULD make incentives for companies to stay and move here. I feel that is one of the most important jobs that a state gov't has.
  • Writerbuckeye
    LJ;708140 wrote:It's strictly an opportunity cost thing. Give up $x amount of tax revenue for 3 years, or give up $x amount forever...

    Whose money are we really playing with here? Some folks assume (wrongly) that tax money "lost" was somehow owed to taxpayers. Tax "breaks" typically do little more than keep money with the company over the short term.

    In the long run, Ohio will benefit from income taxes by workers, etc.
  • O-Trap
    LJ;708150 wrote:The state SHOULD make incentives for companies to stay and move here. I feel that is one of the most important jobs that a state gov't has.
    Oh, I agree, but I think a distinction can be made between providing incentive to doing business in that state and flat out buying them shit (pardon the term).

    I would suggest that the LESS that a government (again, at any level) gets involved in private enterprise, the more freedom businesses have within that government's jurisdiction. Profitability becomes much easier. In that way, governments can create plenty of incentive to do business within their respective jurisdictions simply by GTFOing of as much of private enterprise as possible.
  • tsst_fballfan
    O-Trap;708127 wrote:... I'd just as soon keep government at all levels out of private industry as much as possible (not entirely, but only in such cases that are absolutely necessary).
    Applause!!!
  • Bigdogg
    LJ;707504 wrote:Yeah, they weren't going to move for a better corporate tax rate, better weather, and a new building. Nah, that sounds REALLY stupid

    :rolleyes:
    Columbus offered millions of dollars in incentives to Bob Evans so the company would stay, including $19 million in abatements, infrastructure improvements and cash.

    But New Albany trumped that with a deal that would save Bob Evans $9.8 million, a property-tax abatement of $8.29 million over 15 years, a $1 million interest-free loan and an $826,000 income-tax credit.

    "We chose to work with them, but they chose to abandon the South Side, to move to the suburbs," said Mike Stevens, the city's deputy development director.

    But Hardgrow is upset that one city incentive package totaling $14 million offered the company a new building at Polaris.

    "To us, that's like a slap in the face," she said. "It's like the city saying, 'We know the South Side isn't good enough for you guys.' "
    http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2011/03/12/bob-evans-move-upsets-south-side-neighbors.html?sid=101

    Yeah, that was it LJ? You ever wrong?
  • LJ


    Huh?
  • Bigdogg
    The latest Ohio Poll finds 40 percent of Ohio adults approve of John Kasich’s performance as governor, 47 percent disapprove and 13 percent neither approve nor disapprove. Kasich’s approval rating is lower than the initial gubernatorial approval rating recorded by the Ohio Poll for former Governors Strickland (68%), Taft (49%) and Voinoich (61%). Kasich’s approval rating for handling the economy (38%) is similar to his overall approval rating.
    http://www.ipr.uc.edu/documents/op031411.pdf

    Also interesting that Kasick is "focusing like a laser" on jobs. Not one job bill beside the highly controversial Robsohio bill that copy's Florida's privatization attempt...That they just did away with because IT FAILED.

    And yet, after promising to focus like "a laser" on job creation, the Republicans controlling Ohio’s legislature have introduced at least 7 bills in the past 60 days focused elusively on abortion:

    HB 7
    HB 63
    HB 78
    HB 79
    HB 125 (fetal heartbeat)
    SB 8
    SB 72

    We are in big trouble.
  • fish82
    I'm starting a pool to pick the date between now and 11/4/2014 that Bigdogg's head explodes, and/or gets arrested for physically stalking Johnny K.
  • Ty Webb
    http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2011/03/brutal-numbers-for-kasich-sb-5.html

    Major buyers remorse from the voters of Ohio

    Among all registered voters if a rematch was held today,Strickland would crush Kasich 55%-40%

    Among voters that voted last fall,Strickland would win 49%-46%

    Same thing is happening in Wisconsin and Florida
  • O-Trap
    Not surprising. I have a feeling that if Strickland would have won this time around, you'd see the same scenario, where the voters show a desire for the road they didn't travel.

    The grass is always greener ...
  • Con_Alma
    I was cautiously optimistic when I voted for him. If he continues to show the fortitude he has thus far I will help campaign for him when he runs next.
  • LJ
    O-Trap;712958 wrote:Not surprising. I have a feeling that if Strickland would have won this time around, you'd see the same scenario, where the voters show a desire for the road they didn't travel.

    The grass is always greener ...

    Nah, Strickland wouldn't be going after the sacred gravy trains
  • redstreak one
    http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2011/03/15/kasich-releases-budget.html?sid=101

    A leak of his proposed budget?
  • Con_Alma
    LJ;712966 wrote:Nah, Strickland wouldn't be going after the sacred gravy trains

    ...very few would. Someone needed to...someone with a backbone.
  • O-Trap
    LJ;712966 wrote:Nah, Strickland wouldn't be going after the sacred gravy trains
    Oh it would be a different portion of the overall demographic who would flip, but it would happen all the same.
  • fish82
    Ty Webb;712954 wrote:http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2011/03/brutal-numbers-for-kasich-sb-5.html

    Major buyers remorse from the voters of Ohio

    Among all registered voters if a rematch was held today,Strickland would crush Kasich 55%-40%

    Among voters that voted last fall,Strickland would win 49%-46%

    Same thing is happening in Wisconsin and Florida
    So what? He has three years left in his term. Your propensity to grab the "poll of the day" and hump the shit out of it is beyond goofy.

    I note that you once again stopped posting Bam's approval numbers a week or two ago. I wonder why? :rolleyes:
  • O-Trap
    fish82;712979 wrote:Your propensity to grab the "poll of the day" and hump the shit out of it is beyond goofy.
    Meaning aside, this statement made me lol.
  • Ty Webb
    fish82;712979 wrote:So what? He has three years left in his term. Your propensity to grab the "poll of the day" and hump the shit out of it is beyond goofy.

    I note that you once again stopped posting Bam's approval numbers a week or two ago. I wonder why? :rolleyes:


    Considering I'm working two jobs and going to school I don't get to live on here like many of you

    His approval rating is an average of 48 percent(according to RCP) which is much higher than any of you thought it would be at this point
  • Writerbuckeye
    Ty Webb;712954 wrote:http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2011/03/brutal-numbers-for-kasich-sb-5.html

    Major buyers remorse from the voters of Ohio

    Among all registered voters if a rematch was held today,Strickland would crush Kasich 55%-40%

    Among voters that voted last fall,Strickland would win 49%-46%

    Same thing is happening in Wisconsin and Florida

    All of this is total BS and people like Ty and Doggie know it.

    Strickland was an ABJECT FAILURE as a leader. If he wasn't, he would have actually taken steps to address the pending $8 billion deficit, instead of using federal dollars that just creates a wider debt pool (Ohio and the US).

    Kasich is doing the dirty work that Strickland was too scared to do (or inept, take your pick). And it's not popular work, so I would expect poll numbers to be down...for a while.

    Let's give Kasich time to fix the budget hole and come up with proposals to help make the state better for business, and attractive to young people who are graduating from its colleges and universities, but going elsewhere to work -- before we start any serious judging.

    Of course, these two don't want to wait that long...God forbid if Kasich actually has some success at fixing the problems Strickland ignored or made worse.

    Then all their ranting will look ever more stupid than it already does (quite an achievement, I know). :)