Arizona Congresswoman shot at Public Event

• ptown_trojans_1

  

  BGFalcons82;636332 wrote:Yes, great news.
  My impressions:
  1. This is being treated as a pep rally for Obama, not a memorial service. Maybe I misunderstood the intention, but I've NEVER heard cheering and screaming for joy at memorial services...except for one....Paul Wellstone.
  2. Nice speech, Obama, about the victims and the heros.
  3. Speaking of heros, it would be REAL NICE if the press would focus on people like Daniel Hernandez, who saved Giffords' life. Or the 2 men that tackled the shooter. Or the Petite Patricia lady who took away Loughner's magazine. Let's hear about the HEROS and not Rush, Sean, Glenn, Sarah and every other NON-ISSUE in this story. I'd like to read much more about heros and less about murdering psychotics.

  
  Yeah, the cheering is annoying the shit out of me, and you can tell the speakers and even Obama at times.
  This needed to be in an auditorium, not a huge gym.
  
  It is a pretty good speech, he is really focusing on the 9 year old girl, and I think this is him looking at his girls and reflecting. (Just my thinking). He also said, rather in a moving way, that we should aspire to act like the little girl thought Americans and leaders acted.
  
  I've seen several pieces on the men who tackled the guy. Brian Williams talked to the guy on Monday I believe.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  You know Obama gave a good speech when Charles Krauthammer says it was a good speech. Yes, I'm watching Fox News lol.
• ou1980

  ptown_trojans_1;636370 wrote:You know Obama gave a good speech when Charles Krauthammer says it was a good speech. Yes, I'm watching Fox News lol.

  
  Welcome home ptown!
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  ou1980;636391 wrote:Welcome home ptown!

  
  I changed the channel shortly thereafter. I can only take so much cable news haha.
• I Wear Pants

  QuakerOats;636333 wrote:Except the New York feed bumped it and the New York Times edited it out ...........
  
  "Good Morning America in New York City was truncated today because of coverage of the snow bomb that went through there. I got a tip earlier today that one of the shooter's friends appeared on Good Morning America and said the kid, the shooter, never listened to talk radio. Well, now, I, Mr. Talk Radio, found that pretty interesting. So we tried to find it on the New York feed of Good Morning America, it wasn't there. So we got a transcript of the program, we found out that the kid did say it, the friend of the shooter did say it. We had to get it from the Cleveland feed, and if we weren't able to do that we were gonna get it on the West Coast feed."
  
  "I want to play #3 again. Zach Osler this morning on Good Morning America -- and, by the way, the New York Times talked to the guy, too. I have to think the guy told the New York Times the same thing he said to Good Morning America. They edited it out. Again, Ashleigh Banfield asked (this is Zach Osler, one of the friends of the shooter), "What was his motive in Saturday's attack? What about all this speculation he may have been fueled by partisan politics and rhetoric in the media? "
  
  OSLER: He did not watch TV. He disliked the news. He didn't listen to political radio. He didn't take sides. He wasn't on the left; he wasn't on the right."
  
  As is generally the case, Rush is right .....http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_011211/content/01125106.guest.html .... and so is Palin.
  The despicable acts from the left-stream media are a stunning embarrassment to this nation.

  Are you kidding me?
• stlouiedipalma

  I am never surprised by the comments I see on this site, so none of this surprises me at all.
• believer

  

  Nice pep rally for BHO last night. The constant cheering in what should have been a solemn event was a little bizarre.
  
  While I'll agree with the president that this country's political discourse is polarized, Obama needs to lead by example.
  
  When he and other left-wing politicians stop saying things like, "If they bring a knife, we bring a gun" and when mainstream media returns to true journalism rather than behaving as propaganda machine for the left, then BHO's - um - "good speech" will have true meaning.
  
  The media's blatant attempt to pin this tragic event to Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, right-wing inflammatory rhetoric, etc. right out of the gate rather than doing true investigative journalism and expose this guy as a lone lunatic was so blatant it's nauseating. While I agree that the overall political tone in this country needs to chill, it would be encouraging to me if the leftists in the media would lead the way.
  
  Did anyone find it odd that the cameras showed several close-up's of Sheriff Dupnik during the speech? I can understand a few close-up's of the dignitaries here and there to give the TV audience a feel for those in attendance, but the media fixation with this particular partisan hack who, rather than performing his law enforcement duties in a professional and unbiased manner, has chosen to politicize the event on a local level. This was annoying and struck me as hypocritical during in a speech supposedly designed to demonstrate the need for this nation to end the polarization.
  
  This speech was cloaked in a facade of reconciliation, but when you dig just a little deeper the hypocrisy and polarization remains.
• BoatShoes

  believer;636637 wrote:Nice pep rally for BHO last night. The constant cheering in what should have been a solemn event was a little bizarre.
  
  While I'll agree with the president that this country's political discourse is polarized, Obama needs to lead by example.
  
  When he and other left-wing politicians stop saying things like, "If they bring a knife, we bring a gun" and when mainstream media returns to true journalism rather than behaving as propaganda machine for the left, then BHO's - um - "good speech" will have true meaning.
  
  The media's blatant attempt to pin this tragic event to Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, right-wing inflammatory rhetoric, etc. right out of the gate rather than doing true investigative journalism and expose this guy as a lone lunatic was so blatant it's nauseating. While I agree that the overall political tone in this country needs to chill, it would be encouraging to me if the leftists in the media would lead the way.
  
  Did anyone find it odd that the cameras showed several close-up's of Sheriff Dupnik during the speech? I can understand a few close-up's of the dignitaries here and there to give the TV audience a feel for those in attendance, but the media fixation with this particular partisan hack who, rather than performing his law enforcement duties in a professional and unbiased manner, has chosen to politicize the event on a local level. This was annoying and struck me as hypocritical during in a speech supposedly designed to demonstrate the need for this nation to end the polarization.
  
  This speech was cloaked in a facade of reconciliation, but when you dig just a little deeper the hypocrisy and polarization remains.

  
  Everyone keeps quoting BHO's "they bring a knife, you bring a knife metaphor" which is probably fair since the left immediately went for Palin's target metaphor's etc. Nevertheless, despite the fact that I don't think political rhetoric is really any more rancorous than less civilized times in our history, for the most part, it has always been BHO's MO to speak about puppy dogs and rainbows and us being all in this together. For the most part BHO's nerdy self and demeanor has always been, we can all just get along and that is why the militant left is so dissatisfied with him. BHO has always preached unity...from his acceptance speech when he said something to the effect of "if I haven't won you over yet I will listen and I'll be your president too." A week later the Weekly Standard published piece wherein the title was something about "The Unity Nonsense." That's fine if you don't want to unite. Many libs don't want to unite with conservatives but that has always been Barry's MO since day 1, despite how misguided it may or may not be. I'm telling you. Barry may be unfit to lead, he may be a socialist in his heart of hearts but above all else he is a nerdy people pleaser.
  
  
  This is the first time I've chimed in on the topic but really I don't think the media has been that bad. The Sheriff and Paul Krugman have pounded the drum that this was caused by right wing rhetoric for the most part. I did read a piece by Joe Scarborough that suggested that high toned rhetoric on either side can be harmful but I thought it was reasonable and fair. Honestly when I first saw this happen I thought it would be much worse than the reaction was. I expect left wing bloggers to do this sort of thing but I personally thought the media has been rather reserved on the matter.
  
  I missed the speech as I had to work late but I saw tweets on my phone from Anderson Cooper saying he was weirded out by the applause too...
• bases_loaded

  

  Believer just nailed it and you focused on one sentence?
  
  The cheering, the t-shirts with political undertones...is nothing sacred anymore?
• CenterBHSFan

  

  BoatShoes;636643 wrote:Everyone keeps quoting BHO's "they bring a knife, you bring a knife metaphor" which is probably fair since the left immediately went for Palin's target metaphor's etc. Nevertheless, despite the fact that I don't think political rhetoric is really any more rancorous than less civilized times in our history, for the most part, it has always been BHO's MO to speak about puppy dogs and rainbows and us being all in this together. For the most part BHO's nerdy self and demeanor has always been, we can all just get along and that is why the militant left is so dissatisfied with him. BHO has always preached unity...from his acceptance speech when he said something to the effect of "if I haven't won you over yet I will listen and I'll be your president too." A week later the Weekly Standard published piece wherein the title was something about "The Unity Nonsense." That's fine if you don't want to unite. Many libs don't want to unite with conservatives but that has always been Barry's MO since day 1, despite how misguided it may or may not be. I'm telling you. Barry may be unfit to lead, he may be a socialist in his heart of hearts but above all else he is a nerdy people pleaser.

  
  This is ridiculous.
  
  Are you talking about the same President Obama that told his voters to punish their enemies? Or the same President that taunted and mocked politicians, judges and voters the next day after getting his "baby" voted in?
  
  Obviously I'm just reading your post wrong, right? You were being lighthearted and funny, right?
  
  *EDIT
  
  After thinking about it, I actually do think you're right. Your description of him sure fits the mold of a sitting President letting a foreign president stand on the floor of our government and disparage and deride his fellow Americans, and not bat an eye.
  Perhaps it does take a mealy-mouthed rainbow loving nimrod individual to perform like that.
• Belly35

  

  Sometimes it is better to remain silent and let the comments of individuals and the history of their action catch up to them.
• BoatShoes

  CenterBHSFan;636690 wrote:This is ridiculous.
  
  Are you talking about the same President Obama that told his voters to punish their enemies? Or the same President that taunted and mocked politicians, judges and voters the next day after getting his "baby" voted in?
  
  Obviously I'm just reading your post wrong, right? You were being lighthearted and funny, right?
  
  *EDIT
  
  After thinking about it, I actually do think you're right. Your description of him sure fits the mold of a sitting President letting a foreign president stand on the floor of our government and disparage and deride his fellow Americans, and not bat an eye.
  Perhaps it does take a mealy-mouthed rainbow loving nimrod individual to perform like that.

  
  What is so ridiculous? If you'd like to compare statements he's made throughout his public life between the divisive kind you cite and the more pleasant ones imagining that conservatives and liberals could find common ground be my guest. BHO is the anti-Bush and Reagan. President Reagan told us it was a time for choosing. President Bush told us we could either be with him or against him. BHO says "In a country as diverse as ours, there will always be passionate arguments about how we draw the line when it comes to government action. That is how our democracy works. But our democracy might work a bit better if we recognized that all of us possess values that are worthy of respect: if liberals at least acknowledged that the recreational hunter feels the same way about his gun as they feel about their library books, and if conservatives recognized that most women feel as protective of their right to reproductive freedom as evangelicals do of their right to worship."
  
  That is not what the average modern liberal or conservative believes. Bill Maher does not respect conservative worldviews. Rush Limbaugh doesn't respect liberal worldviews.
  
  Now look, I'm not saying one or the other approach is better but there is a clear difference in the way that BHO governs from conservative icons. RR and GWB were deontological in their approach and their goal was to persuade people toward their way. BHO has sacrificed core principles that he outlined on his campaign on nearly every domestic policy action that took place in the last two years...and he didn't have to because he could have gone to reconciliation before crunch time but he didn't. Liberals are unhappy with him because he didn't fight for their causes the way a RR or GWB would for conservativism.
  
  I know your bias against and dislike for the socialist you believe him to be is strong but just take a look at real genuine liberals out there one of these days. They don't have the same image of him that you have. Just read a Paul Krugman article, the liberal flame thrower...he's essentially given up on him and is awaiting President Palin.
• jhay78

  

  believer;636637 wrote:Nice pep rally for BHO last night. The constant cheering in what should have been a solemn event was a little bizarre.
  
  While I'll agree with the president that this country's political discourse is polarized, Obama needs to lead by example.
  
  When he and other left-wing politicians stop saying things like, "If they bring a knife, we bring a gun" and when mainstream media returns to true journalism rather than behaving as propaganda machine for the left, then BHO's - um - "good speech" will have true meaning.
  
  The media's blatant attempt to pin this tragic event to Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, right-wing inflammatory rhetoric, etc. right out of the gate rather than doing true investigative journalism and expose this guy as a lone lunatic was so blatant it's nauseating. While I agree that the overall political tone in this country needs to chill, it would be encouraging to me if the leftists in the media would lead the way.
  
  Did anyone find it odd that the cameras showed several close-up's of Sheriff Dupnik during the speech? I can understand a few close-up's of the dignitaries here and there to give the TV audience a feel for those in attendance, but the media fixation with this particular partisan hack who, rather than performing his law enforcement duties in a professional and unbiased manner, has chosen to politicize the event on a local level. This was annoying and struck me as hypocritical during in a speech supposedly designed to demonstrate the need for this nation to end the polarization.This speech was cloaked in a facade of reconciliation, but when you dig just a little deeper the hypocrisy and polarization remains.

  
  Agreed- the sheriff's words and actions of the past week are the antitheses of everything Obama was speaking about.
• Ty Webb

  

  President Obama clinched his second term last night with that speech...
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  Ty Webb;637031 wrote:President Obama clinched his second term last night with that speech...

  
  Bahahahah.
  Oh come on.
  It was a nice speech, but really?
• Ty Webb

  

  ptown_trojans_1;637040 wrote:Bahahahah.
  Oh come on.
  It was a nice speech, but really?

  Go read what alot of pundits,talking heads,and radio show hosts are saying this morning...hell Rush Limbaugh gave him credit this morning
• CenterBHSFan

  

  BoatShoes;636643 wrote:Everyone keeps quoting BHO's "they bring a knife, you bring a knife metaphor" which is probably fair since the left immediately went for Palin's target metaphor's etc. Nevertheless, despite the fact that I don't think political rhetoric is really any more rancorous than less civilized times in our history, for the most part, it has always been BHO's MO to speak about puppy dogs and rainbows and us being all in this together. For the most part BHO's nerdy self and demeanor has always been, we can all just get along and that is why the militant left is so dissatisfied with him. BHO has always preached unity...from his acceptance speech when he said something to the effect of "if I haven't won you over yet I will listen and I'll be your president too." A week later the Weekly Standard published piece wherein the title was something about "The Unity Nonsense." That's fine if you don't want to unite. Many libs don't want to unite with conservatives but that has always been Barry's MO since day 1, despite how misguided it may or may not be. I'm telling you. Barry may be unfit to lead, he may be a socialist in his heart of hearts but above all else he is a nerdy people pleaser.

  BoatShoes;636792 wrote:What is so ridiculous? If you'd like to compare statements he's made throughout his public life between the divisive kind you cite and the more pleasant ones imagining that conservatives and liberals could find common ground be my guest. BHO is the anti-Bush and Reagan. President Reagan told us it was a time for choosing. President Bush told us we could either be with him or against him. BHO says "In a country as diverse as ours, there will always be passionate arguments about how we draw the line when it comes to government action. That is how our democracy works. But our democracy might work a bit better if we recognized that all of us possess values that are worthy of respect: That is not what the average modern liberal or conservative believes. Bill Maher does not respect conservative worldviews. Rush Limbaugh doesn't respect liberal worldviews.
  
  Now look, I'm not saying one or the other approach is better but there is a clear difference in the way that BHO governs from conservative icons. RR and GWB were deontological in their approach and their goal was to persuade people toward their way. BHO has sacrificed core principles that he outlined on his campaign on nearly every domestic policy action that took place in the last two years...and he didn't have to because he could have gone to reconciliation before crunch time but he didn't. Liberals are unhappy with him because he didn't fight for their causes the way a RR or GWB would for conservativism.
  
  I know your bias against and dislike for the socialist you believe him to be is strong but just take a look at real genuine liberals out there one of these days. They don't have the same image of him that you have. Just read a Paul Krugman article, the liberal flame thrower...he's essentially given up on him and is awaiting President Palin.

  There's alot of stuff here for me to say, so I'm gonna try to keep it as short as possible, due to context of the thread, and hopefully it will still make sense lol
  
  First of all, I don't care TODAY about what Bush and Reagan might or might not have done, it has no relevancy. What President Obama has or more to the point HASN'T done is against alot of your own argument. Everything that I bolded flies in the face of your description of him being some puppy loving nerdy unifier. Everything. In fact, it gives the trots to the whole damn concept of his "pacifist" domestic agenda.
  How does that answer the specific events that I pointed out? I don't think it does. Perhaps if you took the time and drew me pictures it might make me get it, I dunno.
  
  Secondly, you're absolutely right, to a certain extent, about my dislike and bias against President Obama. I didn't care too much for his politics to begin with, and didn't vote for him and won't vote for him in '12.
  My vehemence against him was brought about by his own actions, his own words, and his own attitude. Nothing can trump those items in my own mind.
  
  Thirdly, and some of this is repetitive; When you have a sitting President of the United States actively spewing as much political vitriol as any flunkie on the streets, it's kinda damn hard to claim he's some great domestic political unifier, much less try to persuade others of that notion. If you want to believe that about him, fine. But I do have eyes that see and ears that hear and a memory that works halfway decent (sometimes lol), so we'll just leave it at that.
  
  Lastly; When Calderon came here and spewed out his rubbish, President Obama didn't even blink. In fact, Obama's political democrats gave him a standing ovation. At the very least Obama could have made some comments, couched passively enough, to at least tell the American people he didn't agree with what was said against us - but he didn't. While his nuts were sucking up behind his belly button, he could have used that moment to "unify" the American people in a show of national pride, however small the gesture might have been.
  We've got average American citizens hanging up laundry in their own back yard, minding their own business, being shot and killed by illegal mexicans in drug cartels, and the Obama administration wants to sue Arizona.
  
  So yeah, I think it's ridiculous and will continue to do so until OBAMA proves me wrong.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  Ty Webb;637048 wrote:Go read what alot of pundits,talking heads,and radio show hosts are saying this morning...hell Rush Limbaugh gave him credit this morning

  
  Praise for the speech does not translate to votes.
  And pundits are pundits, they really do not hold much sway with voters.
• Prescott

  President Obama clinched his second term last night with that speech...

  I truly believe that is the most absurd statement I have ever seen on this board.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  2012 election will depend on the economy, if we're still in a world of shit (and all indications are that we will be), you can throw anyone's hat in the ring and they have a chance - millions of Americans out of work and losing their homes couldn't give a rat's butt about a speech. The economy isn't just the main concern for many, it is the only concern.
• stlouiedipalma

  Manhattan Buckeye;637084 wrote:2012 election will depend on the economy, if we're still in a world of shit (and all indications are that we will be), you can throw anyone's hat in the ring and they have a chance - millions of Americans out of work and losing their homes couldn't give a rat's butt about a speech. The economy isn't just the main concern for many, it is the only concern.

  
  While I agree that it's all about the economy, I don't subscribe to your belief that we'll be in a world of shit in 2012. There are signs that the economy is growing. It may not be as fast as we'd like, but it is growing. I notice that all of the usual suspects on this website (myself included) are still able to afford internet service and the electricity to power our computers. Go to any major shopping center and tell me that Americans aren't buying. I was in New Orleans last week for the Sugar Bowl and it sure looked like folks were dropping some serious cash there. Beyond that, the companies which I consult for are in the process of hiring again, and they are traditionally among the last to recover from a recession. I think it will still be slow, but nowhere near your "world of shit" reference.
  
  And if people are working again in 2012, do you think they will want to change horses?
• fish82

  

  Ty Webb;637031 wrote:President Obama clinched his second term last night with that speech...

  Absolutely.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  stlouiedipalma;637117 wrote:While I agree that it's all about the economy, I don't subscribe to your belief that we'll be in a world of shit in 2012. There are signs that the economy is growing. It may not be as fast as we'd like, but it is growing. I notice that all of the usual suspects on this website (myself included) are still able to afford internet service and the electricity to power our computers. Go to any major shopping center and tell me that Americans aren't buying. I was in New Orleans last week for the Sugar Bowl and it sure looked like folks were dropping some serious cash there. Beyond that, the companies which I consult for are in the process of hiring again, and they are traditionally among the last to recover from a recession. I think it will still be slow, but nowhere near your "world of shit" reference.
  
  And if people are working again in 2012, do you think they will want to change horses?

  
  Unemployment claims rose AGAIN last month, and home foreclosures are at an all-time high. We're a nation drunk on debt, both in the public sector and in private households....and seem unwilling to deal with the hangover. The good news is we got the rest of the world to join the party and they are even more inebriated.
  
  The baby boomer generation boned this country with their unfunded entitlements that we are left to pick up.
• Lakebluestreaks

  stlouiedipalma;637117 wrote:While I agree that it's all about the economy, I don't subscribe to your belief that we'll be in a world of shit in 2012. There are signs that the economy is growing. It may not be as fast as we'd like, but it is growing. I notice that all of the usual suspects on this website (myself included) are still able to afford internet service and the electricity to power our computers. Go to any major shopping center and tell me that Americans aren't buying. I was in New Orleans last week for the Sugar Bowl and it sure looked like folks were dropping some serious cash there. Beyond that, the companies which I consult for are in the process of hiring again, and they are traditionally among the last to recover from a recession. I think it will still be slow, but nowhere near your "world of shit" reference.
  
  And if people are working again in 2012, do you think they will want to change horses?

  
  I agree that some things might be somewhat better in the next 2 years. The economy is not just about jobs anymore though. It is also about spending. I think that people are finally waking up to the fact that we are being spent into oblivion. So while some people might be back to work, they are just going to be sucked dry by taxes to try and make interest payments on all the money "our" government has borrowed and spent with not a whole lot to show for it.
  
  If we don't get people in there that will actually represent us and what is best for the country in the long run, then we will never recover. I don't care what stupid letter they have next to their name. I am pretty conservative on most things: spending, smaller government, following the constitution. Some other things, not so much: legalize prostitution, some drugs, etc. and tax them. I mostly have held my nose and voted Republican as the lesser of 2 evils in my eyes. I did vote for Ross Perot though. That is just not good enough though. We shouldn't have to settle for the lesser of 2 evils. The problem is that the media, both left and right, destroy people to the extent that who in the hell would want to go through a campaign.
• Belly35

  

  Ty Webb;637031 wrote:President Obama clinched his second term last night with that speech...

  Oh! my God
  Ty please tell us that the Union paid you to say that........