Marysville D1 Sectional

• hasbeen

  

  Lou Demas;1391907 wrote:Hasbeen, I think you either misread my of or I was unclear in what I was writing. I want it to be fair for both, if you have a rich kid who didn't have a history of an outburst or anything this nature , I would not put him out of districts either, unless he was my own kid, I'd pull him out myself because I know how much he has been given. However, if the rich gets to boot , where he lives is quite a different environment than a city kid in general. What I'm arguing is ther is more mitigating circumstances and they need to be taken into consideration for all kids rich and poor. When I first posted on this I was still pretty salty about someone calling Anthony a thug and I think my post reflect that, however I try to refine my post to make my stance on this clear and consistent. So, I will state it one more time. when a kid acts out in a tournament in this manner, early in the season,he is kick out of that tournament and the next tournament. I believe is inappropriate response. However if the kid has no history of this type of behavior before, I think it is excessive to kick him out of the tournament without looking at alternative ways to punish him. I was just talking to a high school football coach today he told me the only time I've ever given kids breaks when they've had this kind of behavior a problem,is at graduation time, I think the same kind of logic applies here.

  While I disagree, I understand what you're saying. I must have misunderstood what you originally posted which is no surprise as I'm on the lower end of the smart scale.
  
  And I agree with you about the 'thug' comment. Unnecessary and out of line. A statement more than likely made by someone who's never met the young man.
• snugglyhippo

  "What I'm arguing is ther (sic) is more mitigating circumstances and they need to be taken into consideration for all kids rich and poor."
  
  If you throw headgear, curse at and threaten the ref after a defeat you should be ejected. This should be applied to anyone, anywhere, regardless of race, creed, nationality, socioeconomic status, religion, gender, number of high school graduation analogies, etc. This is my opinion and nothing more.
  
  Someone mentioned in one post earlier that times have changed in regards to how this would have been handled in the past. I would say I agree, times have changed. We look for any excuse not to hold people accountable for their actions in this society.
  
  Everyone should remember also that in the end (fair or not) you are often judged by your worst actions, not by your best. This may be unfortunate if he is truly a good kid, but it is the case.
• Bauer

  Can we dispense with the "he's a rich kid" vs "he's a poor kid" discrimination? Because it goes both ways you know. Do any of us know what any kid's life is like in his home? Hell knows no societal boundary. That is why I say that wrestling is the great equalizer. Every kid there had to earn his way to that mat. He practiced, he sweated, he conditioned, he starved, he won, he lost. One kid's sweat isn't worth more than another. You don't know anything about the kid that Anthony was about to wrestle. Also, there is a four member panel in this tournament. It just so happened that the jerome coach was one of those on that predetermined panel. He protested it long before the match began because of its ambiguities. Four people voted and it was unanimous 4-0. There always seems to be a bias against Dublin kids. Jerome in particular. It certainly seems alive on this forum. I'm not angry- I'm just sayin'......
• mgutrman

  I feel sorry for the walnut ridge wrestlers who the city didn't send a bus for, they did nothing wrong. I feel sorry for nethers from licking valley who had a small ring worm on his forearm and a doctors note but still lost his senior year. Let try to do something to fix real problems not something brought on by our own actions
• Refman

  Just to clarify...
  1st: I was not at Marysville.
  2nd: The referee did indicate FMC at first, then had a change of heart, after his asst said something to him based on erroneous information.
  3rd: After the referee changed his mind, and allowed this kid to continue to wrestle, word of that got around the gym. Others coaches, including Jerome, knew the FMC had been called and when told that it was taken back, after what had occurred,they asked for a tournament committee to be called to discuss this.
  4th: The tournament committee met, heard all sides and then made the determination, as a committee, composed of tournament director, non involved coaches and non involved referees, that FMC had been committed and the referee who originally called it FMC could NOT change his mind.
  End of story.
• hang_loose

  Thank You Refman!!!
• Cthelites

  mgutrman;1391936 wrote:I feel sorry for the walnut ridge wrestlers who the city didn't send a bus for, they did nothing wrong. I feel sorry for nethers from licking valley who had a small ring worm on his forearm and a doctors note but still lost his senior year. Let try to do something to fix real problems not something brought on by our own actions

  thats terrible! Wow!
• bump_and_run

  Refman;1392017 wrote:Just to clarify...
  1st: I was not at Marysville.
  2nd: The referee did indicate FMC at first, then had a change of heart, after his asst said something to him based on erroneous information.
  3rd: After the referee changed his mind, and allowed this kid to continue to wrestle, word of that got around the gym. Others coaches, including Jerome, knew the FMC had been called and when told that it was taken back, after what had occurred,they asked for a tournament committee to be called to discuss this.
  4th: The tournament committee met, heard all sides and then made the determination, as a committee, composed of tournament director, non involved coaches and non involved referees, that FMC had been committed and the referee who originally called it FMC could NOT change his mind.
  End of story.

  Thanks... one question: where were you about 50 posts ago?:laugh:
• bump_and_run

  mgutrman;1391936 wrote:I feel sorry for the walnut ridge wrestlers who the city didn't send a bus for, they did nothing wrong. I feel sorry for nethers from licking valley who had a small ring worm on his forearm and a doctors note but still lost his senior year. Let try to do something to fix real problems not something brought on by our own actions

  or watkins' bankes, a 40-5 or so 126-lb senior who suffered a broken finger in practice a few days before sectionals...
• Refman

  Bump and run...I dont get on this forum that often
  
  OK. ..lets deal with the Licking Valley Sectional and Walnut Ridge and the ringworm issue of the LV kid.
  I offered to allow them to weigh in up to 9:55am if they could just get here. I hope someone gets called on the carpet for this one. The coach tried but couldn't make it happen. I hope this gets looked into by CPS.
  Ringworm....the LV kid had a spot. ..covered by a bandaid as he was checked. ..the referee referred him to the assigned Dr. who said it was contagious. End of story. Yes I felt bad for the kid but I cannot overrule a physician who was hired by the CDAB.
• mgutrman

  Refman;1392099 wrote:Bump and run...I dont get on this forum that often
  
  OK. ..lets deal with the Licking Valley Sectional and Walnut Ridge and the ringworm issue of the LV kid.
  I offered to allow them to weigh in up to 9:55am if they could just get here. I hope someone gets called on the carpet for this one. The coach tried but couldn't make it happen. I hope this gets looked into by CPS.
  Ringworm....the LV kid had a spot. ..covered by a bandaid as he was checked. ..the referee referred him to the assigned Dr. who said it was contagious. End of story. Yes I felt bad for the kid but I cannot overrule a physician who was hired by the CDAB.

  I wasn't blaming the refs here just saying here is a kid who lost his senior post season when he did everything right including getting a doctors note. I watched him walk around all day supporting his teammates and not acting out in any way. The walnut ridge bus thing is just BS and something needs to be done. To many times I hear about a city team not showing up cause they couldn't get a bus.that is not excusable. Someone needs to be held accountable.
• Cthelites

  mgutrman;1392168 wrote:I wasn't blaming the refs here just saying here is a kid who lost his senior post season when he did everything right including getting a doctors note. I watched him walk around all day supporting his teammates and not acting out in any way. The walnut ridge bus thing is just BS and something needs to be done. To many times I hear about a city team not showing up cause they couldn't get a bus.that is not excusable. Someone needs to be held accountable.

  image a city league basketball team not showing up at the tourney because of a bus no show! doubt thats going to happen!
• 80baby

  CCL needs one system for bus request as it stands now there are 3 different ways to request a bus. I see this being taken care of very soon.
• Trooper

  It's too bad most of these posts are about what happened with Alexander.
  
  I saw 106 pounders that I couldn't believe could be big enough to be in high school.
  I saw the Mcdougle brothers do some pretty great stuff. I saw boys who never had a chance to qualify for districts try really hard.
  
  Isn't that what we should be discussing?
• USMCdevil2005

  

  Lou Demas;1391225 wrote:Dad4sports, trust me I get what your saying but I went to high school in this kind of environment and I know how hard it is for kids to break the cycle. When I was an instructor in the Marine corp some of of my students would screw up big time. What AI was supposed to do was formally right them up, this would have hurt there career as a Marine and also hurt them financially immediately . Some young Marines joined the Marine Corps because they already had a child back home and wife. so I wrote them, I hurt their career and their finances I'd also I hurt
  their whole family. So there where times I punished these young Marines in an alternate method, sometimes it away I may have gotten in trouble myself. Trust me I know what Anthony did was wrong and punishment I would giving him, he would have wanted to kick to the tournament but he would be better off long term had we found a alternate way of dealing with this.
  I just know how hard it is for a lot of city kids to get out of that environment. I believe one of our responsibilities coaches parents and referees is to help the children and take things on a case by case basis. Had Anthony had a history of doing this, I may have pulled him out of the tournament myself had I been his coach but this is the first time I've heard of him behaveing in this manner.
  So, I get tough love I just want it to be administered in a manner that helps the child. I hope for Anthony sake this what happened, if not he will be an other statistic.

  I totally agree with you Lou. Old gunny would have made me wish I would have gotten njp'd instead of the punishment he gave. Lol. I've spoke with Anthony a few times and he is a well mannered kid. He made a mistake. Passions and tempers run high in this sport. We all know that. I think he should have been punished but not ejected from the tournament. I wish him the best in college and pray he gets to go.
• bump_and_run

  Trooper;1392458 wrote:It's too bad most of these posts are about what happened with Alexander.
  
  I saw 106 pounders that I couldn't believe could be big enough to be in high school.
  I saw the Mcdougle brothers do some pretty great stuff. I saw boys who never had a chance to qualify for districts try really hard.
  
  Isn't that what we should be discussing?

  Agreed. I'm ready for this thread to die...
• 80baby

  After lookingat the district draws how many kids do you think will place top 4 from thissectional and overall placement in the top 6? By far I think 220 was the strongest weight class all four of them should fair very well thisweekend.
  
• Dust_E_Roads

  Trooper;1392458 wrote:It's too bad most of these posts are about what happened with Alexander.
  
  I saw 106 pounders that I couldn't believe could be big enough to be in high school.
  I saw the Mcdougle brothers do some pretty great stuff. I saw boys who never had a chance to qualify for districts try really hard.
  
  Isn't that what we should be discussing?

  Indeed. Thanks for trying to get this back on track. I'd love to hear any impressions on 220. I was surprised to see Miller dispatch Mowery by the margin that he did, my money was on Mowery in this sectional. Any insight anyone can offer?
• cruiser_96

  

  Dust_E_Roads;1392847 wrote:Indeed. Thanks for trying to get this back on track. I'd love to hear any impressions on 220. I was surprised to see Miller dispatch Mowery by the margin that he did, my money was on Mowery in this sectional. Any insight anyone can offer?

  Any insight!? Yeah... don't bet on high school wrestling!!!
  
  Last night, when doing the Inside The Circle bit, I was VERY impressed with our (Central District) 220's! Atheltic, big frame, strong... very impressive. And correct, Marysville had an amazing group. Wasn't Stockton (W) here!?! If he is staying home, you KNOW the top 4 are going to bring it.
• Half Full Nelson

  

  cruiser_96;1392851 wrote:Any insight!? Yeah... don't bet on high school wrestling!!!
  
  Last night, when doing the Inside The Circle bit, I was VERY impressed with our (Central District) 220's! Atheltic, big frame, strong... very impressive. And correct, Marysville had an amazing group. Wasn't Stockton (W) here!?! If he is staying home, you KNOW the top 4 are going to bring it.

  
  Yep...Stockton was the 4 seed, got beat by Smith in the quarters and then beat by Struttman "to go." Very tough sectional at 220. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if all 4 making it out of Darby come from this Sectional.
• bump_and_run

  Half Full Nelson;1392943 wrote:Yep...Stockton was the 4 seed, got beat by Smith in the quarters and then beat by Struttman "to go." Very tough sectional at 220. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if all 4 making it out of Darby come from this Sectional.

  How does the kid who beat Lacey in the finals at Watkins stack up?
• pugluv

  Crumb is a freshman stud who dominated the final match...also he pinned Struttman at Delaware
• Half Full Nelson

  

  bump_and_run;1393081 wrote:How does the kid who beat Lacey in the finals at Watkins stack up?

  
  Crumb is very good and is right there in the mix for the 3rd or 4th spot. He has some losses to kids he probably should have beat, so we'll see how he does as a freshman on the big stage. But, he got it done last week, so I'd certainly figure him in the mix.
• Dust_E_Roads

  Agreed. Crumb is a beast and definitely will compete for a top 4 spot. Scary to think what he'll be like as a Junior and Senior. Especially if he stays at 220.