posted by iclfan2Can’t you just do absentee?
yes, yes I could.
what if they mailed people ballots who have "recently" voted in an election? or mailed people who have registered to vote? i don't see anything wrong with that.
The left is clinging to the USPS conspiracy theories. Lol a group even met to protest outside of usps official’s house bc they are afraid to vote in person? Still trying to figure out the mental gymnastics of that, how protesting is safer than voting. Oh and Fauci said voting in person is fine.
posted by iclfan2The left is clinging to the USPS conspiracy theories.
Seems pretty legit - I think Trump basically even admitted it. The problem is he also keeps sayings absentee voting is perfectly fine. So the argument goes, I guess, that there's not enough time for you to mail in your request, and then receive your ballot and mail it back.
No, INSTEAD the Dems want to remove that one step and increase the mail burden 100-fold to get everyone an absentee ballot. This is SO easy, and Trump is badly screwing it up, per usual. Even Ptown agrees vote by mail is going to be a shitshow.
But I have a good conspiracy theory for you. The Left is pushing vote by mail because they KNOW there will be problems, and it will be the basis to challenge the results as invalid and illegitimate. There are already multiple narratives emerging about how Trump is going to meddle in the election. Should Trump somehow win re-election, this will be the basis for 2 more years of investigations, another impeachment, and who knows what else.
This sounds a little brownshirt-ish. I'm sure Biden is fully prepared to accept the result of the election. It actually sounds like a typical team of election observers, but it was an interesting way of putting it.
"The team of 600 lawyers, along with 10,000 volunteers, would be in every state to figure out if any "chicanery is likely to take place.""
https://thegrio.com/2020/08/11/gop-ramps-up-effort-to-monitor-voting/
Ahhhh! Makes much more sense now. It also adds very interesting context to the whole vote by mail debate.
So Trump went first - pretty disturbing implications, by the way. And Biden acted accordingly. On the other hand, the more benign implication is Trump's team anticipated massive vote by mail and prepared accordingly.
"In June, the Republican National Committee and the Trump campaign sued to ease those rules, saying they imposed arbitrary limits on the party’s ability to keep tabs on the voting process no matter where it occurs."
"The GOP is recruiting 50,000 monitors, typically party activists and specially appointed volunteers, across 15 battleground states."
I think that if casinos and liquor stores are safe to utilize, so are voting centers.
The people who usually fit into the usual habit of mail in voting aren't going to change (disabled, unpredictable work patterns, etc.).
Somebody said (sorry can't remember who) that maybe a holiday would be an appropriate thing to consider or have. I'm ok with that too.
I'd definitely be down with a holiday for voting. It's always seemed kind of weird that the really important activity that determines who gets offices, what taxes/levies pass and so on is just sort of forced into being an additional part of a working person's day that they have to fit into their schedule, while so many things less important on a current events level turn into days off for many workers.
posted by HereticI'd definitely be down with a holiday for voting.
Just expand early voting. Most places already have at least 10-11 days to do that, it seems. Open polls for 2 weeks straight ahead of Nov. 4....everyone can vote Nov. 4th, or you have 3 days out of the 14 to vote (according to your last name).
Let's see if Trump really plays 4D chess....When Dems keep demanding funding for USPS for a surge in universal vote by mail, Trump should just offer to give the money to states to increase early voting. AND, you can still request absentee ballots.
To me, implicit in the idea behind universal voting is that states simply can't handle the volume of requests. Not a USPS issue, a state resource issue. Eliminating the requirement to request the ballot says, to me, that the real logjam will be in processing those requests (not the USPS).
posted by MontyBrunswickAka you couldn't find a brietbart article to push your agenda?
If you have to vote absentee, then follow the proper protocols already in place in EVERY SINGLE COUNTY in the country to insure vote integrity.
If you want fraud, then do mail-in voting. This is not difficult to understand, especially when we already have numerous examples.
posted by QuakerOatsIf you have to vote absentee, then follow the proper protocols already in place in EVERY SINGLE COUNTY in the country to insure vote integrity.
If you want fraud, then do mail-in voting. This is not difficult to understand, especially when we already have numerous examples.
Isn’t the president mailing in his vote?
posted by geeblockIsn’t the president mailing in his vote?
Its a absentee ballot that was requested and sent to him. Its not universal mail out ballots that go to dead people, wrond addresses etc..
posted by SpockIts a absentee ballot that was requested and sent to him. Its not universal mail out ballots that go to dead people, wrond addresses etc..
Is he mailing it?
posted by geeblockIs he mailing it?
We are not talking about "mailing it", the issue is absentee ballot applications/absentee voting which has all the necessary fraud protections, versus universal mail-in voting which is fraught with fraud.
Need to grasp the essence of the debate.
FRAUGHT!
How so specifically? I see WA state has been doing ok with it. Eagerly awaiting the Breibart links.
posted by QuakerOatsWe are not talking about "mailing it", the issue is absentee ballot applications/absentee voting which has all the necessary fraud protections, versus universal mail-in voting which is fraught with fraud.
Need to grasp the essence of the debate.
Everything i have read shows very low amount of voter fraud in general and even less with mail in. Interesting. But isn’t he supporting mail in voting in Florida?
Someone needs to be a grown-up and explain to everyone why we can't have universal vote by mail. It WILL be a disaster.
It looks to me like both sides are setting up the arguments to challenge the election results. We're going to have forensic handwriting experts debating what's a valid signature or not on millions of mail-in ballots FOR MONTHS.
BTW, you know one of the ways that most states validate mail-in ballots? A copy of your fucking ID!!!!!!
LMFAO the jokes write themselves.
posted by gutSomeone needs to be a grown-up and explain to everyone why we can't have universal vote by mail. It WILL be a disaster.
It looks to me like both sides are setting up the arguments to challenge the election results. We're going to have forensic handwriting experts debating what's a valid signature or not on millions of mail-in ballots FOR MONTHS.
From everything I’m reading, it’s the Trumptards and pubs who are complaining about mail-in voting. Almost assuredly setting themselves up to use that excuse if they lose to Biden
If I’m just not seeing the left-wing uproar, then that’s my bad, but I’m seeing a lot of right-wing Complaints about it.
posted by SportsAndLadyIf I’m just not seeing the left-wing uproar, then that’s my bad, but I’m seeing a lot of right-wing Complaints about it.
My point is the Dems want it because they know about the issues, and it will form a basis to contest and throw-out ballots. And everything going on with USPS, which they cry about all day every day, will be a basis to count votes that were mailed or received too late. Or if Trump wins it's illegitimate because the USPS is what we thought it is.
Do a little bit of googling and you'll find a range - something like 3% or 5% sometimes even 10% - of absentee ballots being disqualified. Between 50-75% arrive too late, or postmarked too late. That's normal times with no slowdown in the mail, with much lower volumes of mail-in ballots. Heck, some people just send it too late - but now we can challenge if it was sent too late or it's because of "Trump's mail slow down".
Something like 15-30% are tossed because they can't be validated. Wrong or missing ID included, or signatures are disputed. It's going to be "hanging chads" all over again.
Instead of hangin chads it will be combing the voter rolls for bad signatures and dead people voting.
posted by gutMy point is the Dems want it because they know about the issues, and it will form a basis to contest and throw-out ballots. And everything going on with USPS, which they cry about all day every day, will be a basis to count votes that were mailed or received too late. Or if Trump wins it's illegitimate because the USPS is what we thought it is.
Do a little bit of googling and you'll find a range - something like 3% or 5% sometimes even 10% - of absentee ballots being disqualified. Between 50-75% arrive too late, or postmarked too late. That's normal times with no slowdown in the mail, with much lower volumes of mail-in ballots. Heck, some people just send it too late - but now we can challenge if it was sent too late or it's because of "Trump's mail slow down".
Something like 15-30% are tossed because they can't be validated. Wrong or missing ID included, or signatures are disputed. It's going to be "hanging chads" all over again.
You sure do complain about the Dems a lot
posted by SportsAndLadyYou sure do complain about the Dems a lot
Dont throw stones in your glass house
posted by SportsAndLadyYou sure do complain about the Dems a lot
Republicans aren't the ones who've tried to overturn the result of 2 of the past 5 elections.
I don't really have a problem with Democrats. But the handful of far-left progressives that run that party suck complete ass.
posted by AutomatikFRAUGHT!
How so specifically? I see WA state has been doing ok with it. Eagerly awaiting the Breibart links.
You said fraught. Know the meanings of your words.
posted by AutomatikYou said fraught. Know the meanings of your words.
I do, which is exactly why I used the word.
Best check your handy thesaurus.