https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-agents-manipulated-flynn-file-as-clapper-urged-kill-shot-court-filing

posted by QuakerOats

 

You guys are fun to toy with.  Besides that, which parts can you refute?

 

Barr/Durham can now impanel a grand jury, and start filing criminal charges.

 

The singing shall commence shortly.

 

The "uncovering" of the conspiracy is always about to happen "shortly" with you, but it never  finally comes to pass. Maybe your posts are being monitored by Deep State and they're then preventing "justice"?  

Ptown has reached for the bottle too soon today

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

The "uncovering" of the conspiracy is always about to happen "shortly" with you, but it never seems finally comes to pass. Maybe your posts are being monitored by Deep State and they're then preventing "justice"?  

Going from this thread alone, apparently all those legal JUSTICE FINDERS have been thisclose to bringing down the Democratic party for 23 months straight...without it actually happening. Which makes me think that QQ wakes up every day, checks the news and reacts like a kid who just found out that Santa Claus isn't actually a thing.

posted by Heretic

Going from this thread alone, apparently all those legal JUSTICE FINDERS have been thisclose to bringing down the Democratic party for 23 months straight...without it actually happening. Which makes me think that QQ wakes up every day, checks the news and reacts like a kid who just found out that Santa Claus isn't actually a thing.

Just like the liberals with their "Russian Collusion!!!!".  Even the obstruction died down pretty quickly, despite their best efforts to keep it going.  Talk about the non-scandal of the century (fortunately, Trump finally gave them something with legs).

I think the "deep state" theory will be a similar dud, although I do believe there were abuses but generally out of good intentions and over-caution.  I think some crimes may have been committed as far as violating policy or venturing too far into questionable legality, but I don't expect any serious jail time to result.

posted by gut

Just like the liberals with their "Russian Collusion!!!!".  Even the obstruction died down pretty quickly, despite their best efforts to keep it going.  Talk about the non-scandal of the century (fortunately, Trump finally gave them something with legs).

I think the "deep state" theory will be a similar dud, although I do believe there were abuses but generally out of good intentions and over-caution.  I think some crimes may have been committed as far as violating policy or venturing too far into questionable legality, but I don't expect any serious jail time to result.

It'll all come out in the open "real soon". 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

It'll all come out in the open "real soon". 

It's Trump's turn to talk up Duck-7 like he's got pocket aces.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I find these Deep State conspiracy theories hilarious.

Most are.  I do have a question and would be interested in your input.  What do you make of the minority leader of the Senate (a very powerful person in the federal government) stating publicly on a popular cable show that the intelligence agency "has six ways from Sunday to get back at you". 

Was it a threat?  A joke?  I found it very disturbing coming from a high level person in the federal government would openly state that a subordinate agency of the federal government could attack the POTUS for publicly criticizing them.  I took it at the time as maybe just political posturing.  Given what has transpired since then one begins to wonder.

posted by gut

Trump finally gave them something with legs

 They are not going to get anywhere on those peg legs.  Lets just have an election. 

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/10/30/whistleblower_exposed_close_to_biden_brennan_dnc_oppo_researcher_120996.html

That is the best they could do on this set-up job -------HILARIOUS.

Christ are they inept; how embarrassing can it get ………….look for dems to get slaughtered in the House if they keep marching down this road.

posted by QuakerOats

 

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/10/30/whistleblower_exposed_close_to_biden_brennan_dnc_oppo_researcher_120996.html

 

 

That is the best they could do on this set-up job -------HILARIOUS.

Christ are they inept; how embarrassing can it get ………….look for dems to get slaughtered in the House if they keep marching down this road.

Look for all the bad guys to start getting justice SOON!

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/07/18/the_labyrinthine_ways_and_wages_of_stefan_halper_140809.html

Imagine that

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-michael-flynn-smoking-gun-fbi-headquarters-altered-interview-summary

The whistleblower’s attorney said in January, 2017 that the coup has started.

[Of course, the whistleblower is not a whistleblower, but a democrat operative.]

Hopefully the attorney can clarify whether the coup he was referring to was wholly separate from the current coup in progress, or whether it is all part of one large and forever ongoing planned attempt to overthrow the president of the United States.

It is unimaginable what is occurring.

Like I said in another thread......there is actually no whistleblower.  This is all a hoax and a coup

Those responsible will be brought to justice soon!!!!!

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/14/judicial-watch-reveals-surveillance-targets-requested-by-u-s-ambassador-yovanovitch-and-state-department-but-bigger-question-is-missing/

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/11/17/emails-open-society-kept-alleged-whistleblower-eric-ciaramella-updated-on-george-soross-personal-ukraine-activities/

This sums up what the deep state looks like.  Dont read it, listen to it.  Whistleblower, Russian interference, Steele dossier.....its all connected

posted by Spock

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/11/17/emails-open-society-kept-alleged-whistleblower-eric-ciaramella-updated-on-george-soross-personal-ukraine-activities/

 

This sums up what the deep state looks like.  Dont read it, listen to it.  Whistleblower, Russian interference, Steele dossier.....its all connected

Except nothing the whistleblower said has been shown to be false.  Call it deep state all you like, but this is not made up.  And it sounds like once Sondland testifies he'll probably confirm Ukraine was being pressured to investigate Biden.

Really, it's disgraceful what Trump did to the Ukraine ambassador.  Obama appointee or whatever, they removed her to get her out of the way and probably also to avoid leaks.  And then he goes and trashes her record simply for being called to testify.  Sure, he does it to everybody so I doubt many people take what he says seriously.  But he's a tremendous asshole.

posted by gut

Except nothing the whistleblower said has been shown to be false.  Call it deep state all you like, but this is not made up.  And it sounds like once Sondland testifies he'll probably confirm Ukraine was being pressured to investigate Biden.

Really, it's disgraceful what Trump did to the Ukraine ambassador.  Obama appointee or whatever, they removed her to get her out of the way and probably also to avoid leaks.  And then he goes and trashes her record simply for being called to testify.  Sure, he does it to everybody so I doubt many people take what he says seriously.  But he's a tremendous asshole.

You do realize that a president can hire and fire any un elected official to do his bidding with other countries?  Obama got rid of bunches of "ambassadors"

posted by gut

Except nothing the whistleblower said has been shown to be false.  Call it deep state all you like, but this is not made up.  And it sounds like once Sondland testifies he'll probably confirm Ukraine was being pressured to investigate Biden.

Really, it's disgraceful what Trump did to the Ukraine ambassador.  Obama appointee or whatever, they removed her to get her out of the way and probably also to avoid leaks.  And then he goes and trashes her record simply for being called to testify.  Sure, he does it to everybody so I doubt many people take what he says seriously.  But he's a tremendous asshole.

You mean he doesn’t wait around and see which way the wind is blowing before making every decision, just like all the politicians always do and in so doing further kick the can down the road and nothing of value ever gets achieved.

And BTW:

https://www.conservativedailynews.com/2019/11/flashback-obama-fired-all-bush-appointed-ambassadors-in-2008/

posted by QuakerOats

You mean he doesn’t wait around and see which way the wind is blowing before making every decision

No, I mean he treats everyone who doesn't kiss his ass like complete shit.  Most 3rd graders have better manners.

Also, while he can fire anyone for any reason, doing so because they might not play along with your abuse of power or rat you out wasn't really the intended purpose.

He is in charge of foreign policy.  If he cannot trust certain embedded bureaucratic leakers, he should remove them.  No president can conduct foreign business with obstructionists and un-aligned employees.

My, oh my

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukrainian-indictment-reveals-hunter-biden-group-made-165-million-mp

Ukrainian MP Claims $7.4 Billion Obama-Linked Laundering, Puts Biden Group Take At $16.5 Million

Update 2: Dobinsky, the MP, says there is a "signed suspicion" at 1:19 in the video below. This has been described in Ukrainian media as an investigative step which documents allegations against an individual or individuals, similar to a criminal referral. While Donibsky says during the press conference that "Zlochevsky was charged," we have updated our headline and report accordingly. 

A transcription of key portions of the press conference can found here, via Tanya Tay Posobiec. 

Update: Reuters sheds additional light on the press conference, noting that the document from the Prosecutor General's office was leaked and not officially released.

A Ukrainian MP says a document leaked from the Ukraine's Office of the Prosecutor General contains claims against Burisma owner Nikolai Zlochevsky, as well as Hunter Biden and his partners - who allegedly received $16.5 million for their 'services' - according to Alexander Dubinsky of the ruling Servant of the People Party.

Dubinsky made the claim in a Wednesday press conference, citing materials from an investigation into Zlochevsky and Burisma.

"Zlochevsky was charged with this new accusation by the Office of the Prosecutor General but the press ignored it," said the MP. "It was issued on November 14."

"The son of Vice-President Joe Biden was receiving payment for his services, with money raised through criminal means and money laundering," he then said, adding "Biden received money that did not come from the company’s successful operation but rather from money stolen from citizens."

According to Dubinsky, Hunter Biden's income from Burisma is a "link that reveals how money is siphoned [from Ukraine]," and how Biden is just one link in the chain of Zlochevsky's money laundering operation which included politicians from the previous Yanukovich administration who continued their schemes under his successor, President Pyotr Poroshenko.

"We will reveal the information about the financial pyramid scheme that was created in Ukraine and developed by everyone beginning with Yanukovich and later by Poroshenko. This system is still working under the guidance of the current managerial board of the National Bank, ensuring that money flows in the interest of people who stole millions of dollars, took it offshore and bought Ukrainian public bonds turning them into the Ukrainian sovereign debt," said Dubinsky, adding that "in both cases of Yanukovich and Poroshenko, Ms. Gontareva and companies she controls were investing the stolen funds."

Franklin Templeton named

According to Interfax-Ukraine, MP Andriy Derkach announced at the same press conference that deputies have received new materials from investigative journalists alleging that the 'family' of ex-President Yanukovych funneled $7.4 billion through American investment firm Franklin Templeton Investments, which they claim have connections to the US Democratic party."

"Last week, November 14, the Prosecutor General's Office (PGO), unnoticed by the media, announced a new suspicion to the notorious owner of Burisma, ex-Ecology Minister Zlochevsky. According to the suspicion, the Yanukovych family is suspected, in particular, with legalizing (laundering) of criminally obtained income through Franklin Templeton Investments, an investment fund carrying out purchases of external government loan bonds totaling $7.4 billion," said Derkach, adding that the money was criminally obtained and invested in the purchase of Ukrainian debt in 2013 - 2014.

"The son of Templeton's founder, John Templeton Jr., was one of President Obama's major campaign donors. Another fund-related character is Thomas Donilon. Managing Director of BlackRock Investment Institute, shareholder Franklin Templeton Investments, which has the largest share in the fund. It is noteworthy that he previously was Obama's national security advisor," Derkach added.

Derkach then demanded "President Zelensky must pick up the phone, dial Trump, ask for help and cooperation in the fight against corruption and fly to Washington. The issue of combating international corruption in Ukraine with the participation of citizens, businessmen and U.S. officials should become a key during the meeting of the two presidents."

And you wonder why Trump for any reason put holds on US dollars to Ukraine.  Who cares why.  Ukraine is corrupt and Trump isnt dealing with it the way that Clinton/Obama/Biden did.

The Dems are running an impeachment to save their party.  Not to "hold up the constitution"