posted by ptown_trojans_1

Not great. 

She is not wrong about there being two different types of people in Israel. Again, this has been building for years. 

Can’t believe you are somewhat defending her… good God man, you still believe you are a centrist?

She f’ing blamed Israel for this attack.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Exactly, and that would hurt the Palestinian cause...meaning that could be a reason they attacked now, part of their rational...not just because they are terrorists.

They are terrorists who thirst for violence. That means that any stupid reason is a reason for them to kill people. That doesn’t make it logical or mean the other side was wrong for doing the thing that triggered them.

They are terrorists who just committed a terrorist act. Stop trying to explain it away. 

posted by jmog

Can’t believe you are somewhat defending her… good God man, you still believe you are a centrist?

She f’ing blamed Israel for this attack.

Not blaming them at all. Her comments were wrong

As I said though, this has been boiling up for years. That doesn't justify the horrible acts at all. I separate the two. 

posted by jmog

They are terrorists who thirst for violence. That means that any stupid reason is a reason for them to kill people. That doesn’t make it logical or mean the other side was wrong for doing the thing that triggered them.

They are terrorists who just committed a terrorist act. Stop trying to explain it away. 

Again, you would think the lessons of the past 20 years would change your line of thinking. 

posted by jmog

Ah yes, the typical centrist ptown trying to belittle others to prove he is so smart….

“Boy” would not be the normal way to debate a topic.

Hamas is a terrorist organization.

Terrorist organizations commit senseless violence for political gain.

Therefore Hamas commits senseless violence for political gain.

Hamas doesn’t act logical, no terrorist group does. They are like serial killers, they just want the world to burn.

Yeah, that's not right and every single counter terrorism expert and government official disagrees with you. 

You are a thoughtful and rational guy, don't fall for the typical trap that all terrorists are irrational and have no reasoning behind their action. You would think all of our failures the last decade plus would tell you that. 

Is this where you two go back and forth for eternity and the rest bow out of the thread? 

posted by Automatik

Is this where you two go back and forth for eternity and the rest bow out of the thread? 

We could send them to do the negotiations between the two sides! A couple hours of never-ending, circular arguments over such scintillating details such as the exact percentage of blame each side deserves in their never-ending conflict and whether the terrorists have an actual plan or are just fucking shit up for the lulz JUST MIGHT be enough to give everyone involved one fuck of a headache and decide the really uneasy and shaky status quo is still good enough!

posted by Automatik

Is this where you two go back and forth for eternity and the rest bow out of the thread? 

Happened for me a day ago. Was checking in to see if I was right... yep.

I find the topic interesting, so I mostly stick to Reddit. It's more actual WTF is happening focused instead of I'm right, you're wrong bullshit. 

posted by Heretic

We could send them to do the negotiations between the two sides! A couple hours of never-ending, circular arguments over such scintillating details such as the exact percentage of blame each side deserves in their never-ending conflict and whether the terrorists have an actual plan or are just fucking shit up for the lulz JUST MIGHT be enough to give everyone involved one fuck of a headache and decide the really uneasy and shaky status quo is still good enough!

May have bested your previous mark with this 70 word run-on sentence (depending on how you count hyphenated words).  Congrats.

Meanwhile we are 4 days in with a lot of Americans killed, wounded and held hostage, with no words - not even scripted - from the occupier of the White House.   Incredible.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Not blaming them at all. Her comments were wrong

As I said though, this has been boiling up for years. That doesn't justify the horrible acts at all. I separate the two. 

She blames Israel for the attacks, period.

40 babies, some of which were beheaded, killed by Hamas group that had infiltrated outside of Gaza that Israel just got back…

I wonder what LOGICAL REASON was behind their thinking in that process?

https://nbcmontana.com/amp/news/nation-world/at-least-40-babies-killed-beheaded-in-israeli-kibbutz-outside-gaza-reports-say-israel-palestine-hamas-terrorists-terrorism-invasion-middle-east-conflict-attack

Why don’t your two just exchange contact info? 

I always like to belabor my point when I know I'm not going to change the other persons mind because it's really a good use of everyone's time.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/calls-grow-for-ilhan-omar-aoc-cori-bush-and-rashida-tlaib-to-be-expelled-from-congress/ar-AA1hXYLy?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=96d60e86cc3540808df9711ee06348c4&ei=10

Tomorrow wouldn't be too soon.

posted by Heretic

We could send them to do the negotiations between the two sides! A couple hours of never-ending, circular arguments over such scintillating details such as the exact percentage of blame each side deserves in their never-ending conflict and whether the terrorists have an actual plan or are just fucking shit up for the lulz JUST MIGHT be enough to give everyone involved one fuck of a headache and decide the really uneasy and shaky status quo is still good enough!

LOL. I'm done. 

Until the Palestinians disassociate from Hamas, they can and will be treated like the terrorists group the belong to. They need to flatten Gaza and make it look as flat as it used to be. when they flow to Lebanon, let them know the rules have not changed. Run the whole lot of them back in IRAN. I hear they have 6 billion dollars for humanitarian relief. Talk about good timing

This was not an armed incursion. This was an undeniable act of war.

Side note: I thought Isreal has been a winey  little bitch this century. 

They have teased Karma and got a deserved ass load. This act my of war has no mitigation and Palestine gets all they deserve and just a little extra for good measure 

posted by Devils Advocate

Until the Palestinians disassociate from Hamas, they can and will be treated like the terrorists group the belong to. They need to flatten Gaza and make it look as flat as it used to be. when they flow to Lebanon, let them know the rules have not changed. Run the whole lot of them back in IRAN. I hear they have 6 billion dollars for humanitarian relief. Talk about good timing

This was not an armed incursion. This was an undeniable act of war.

Side note: I thought Isreal has been a winey  little bitch this century. 

They have teased Karma and got a deserved ass load. This act my of war has no mitigation and Palestine gets all they deserve and just a little extra for good measure 

Agree with about everything here. 

Hold on a sec.  I feel a obligated  to go ptown on you

 ……,,,,For this I got nothing 

In 2005 Israel leaves the Gaza strip, "land for peace".  Forcibly evicting  settlers. A couple of years later a brief civil war erupts between the moderate "Fatah" and the radical "Hamas".  Result Hamas is in control of the Gaza strip and has been a great thorn since.  The nation of Israel is about to tear that root out of the ground, 

Should we be concerned here?

Khalid Mashal the leader and founding member of Hamas gave a speech today asking Muslims all around the world to do the following:⁰⁰1. To show anger, especially next Friday, in Muslim countries and Also among Muslim diaspora around the world; he called it “the Friday of Al-Aqsa… pic.twitter.com/koJ42DRFMy

— Brother Rachid الأخ رشيد (@BrotherRasheed) October 11, 2023

Idiots

posted by justincredible

Should we be concerned here?

Khalid Mashal the leader and founding member of Hamas gave a speech today asking Muslims all around the world to do the following:⁰⁰1. To show anger, especially next Friday, in Muslim countries and Also among Muslim diaspora around the world; he called it “the Friday of Al-Aqsa… pic.twitter.com/koJ42DRFMy

— Brother Rachid الأخ رشيد (@BrotherRasheed) October 11, 2023

One thing you can be sure of is this guy is not going to follow his own call to others.  When it comes to financial jihad one must remember this guy has been living for quite some time luxuriously in Doha, Qatar.

posted by justincredible

Should we be concerned here?

Khalid Mashal the leader and founding member of Hamas gave a speech today asking Muslims all around the world to do the following:⁰⁰1. To show anger, especially next Friday, in Muslim countries and Also among Muslim diaspora around the world; he called it “the Friday of Al-Aqsa… pic.twitter.com/koJ42DRFMy

— Brother Rachid الأخ رشيد (@BrotherRasheed) October 11, 2023

Nope. Al Qaeda would try this after every attack and get little traction. 

Also, notice how quiet all of the gulf and other Arab countries are. 

No one in the Arab region cared for the Palestinians, only Iran did. So, I highly doubt anything happens. 

posted by majorspark

In 2005 Israel leaves the Gaza strip, "land for peace".  Forcibly evicting  settlers. A couple of years later a brief civil war erupts between the moderate "Fatah" and the radical "Hamas".  Result Hamas is in control of the Gaza strip and has been a great thorn since.  The nation of Israel is about to tear that root out of the ground, 

This means what? Millions dead? Gaza is one of the most densely populated spots on earth. There is no where for the civilians to go. 

Israel itself will lose a lot of people too. For what? 

I'm not seeing any solution here, only more violence that continues the cycle.

Again, it's funny how little we all have learned after the last 20 years. More violence only leads to more violence. Just killing Palestinians will not solve it. They will still come back and want to kill Israelis. I hope this breaks the fever, but doesn't seem like it.