posted by kizer permanente

Well no... then FDA would funding to check compliance on Abbott who routinely rejected such compliance and was falsifying records according to whistleblowers in the company. Can't have Big Government amirite? Companies will do the right thing!

The FDA already has people to do it, and already did it, causing this shortage. It was also found that neither of the two infants that died were because of formula. Abbot owns the blame for other issues at their plant, but no idea how it took 3 months to come to an agreement to reopen. 

posted by iclfan2

The FDA already has people to do it, and already did it, causing this shortage. It was also found that neither of the two infants that died were because of formula. Abbot owns the blame for other issues at their plant, but no idea how it took 3 months to come to an agreement to reopen. 

Their resources aren't unlimited.. you get that right?

posted by jmog

So do you admit they already did pass one specific to formula shortage and this was additional for FDA oversight?

Did you know that when you first posted the picture of the vote?

The mess they're in is b/c Abbott pencil whipped their own "oversight".. you see how that's problematic and needs actual oversight right? 

posted by kizer permanente

Their resources aren't unlimited.. you get that right?

I’m sure they’re already bloated, actually. You have a lot of trust in the government. 

posted by iclfan2

I’m sure they’re already bloated, actually. You have a lot of trust in the government. 

I have much less trust in companies answering to shareholders.

Also, doing a lot of government contract work, I've never got the sense their staff was bloated in any sense. Quite the opposite compared to us actually. 

Trumps tariffs are probably partly to blame for this mess too, bc Mexico and Canada supposedly have plenty of formula.

posted by kizer permanente

I have much less trust in companies answering to shareholders.

I read that abbott got fed money to fix their production lines and used it to buy stock shares which lead to the contamination in the first place.

posted by geeblock

I read that abbott got fed money to fix their production lines and used it to buy stock shares which lead to the contamination in the first place.

Yeah I saw that. That's how companies work. 

posted by kizer permanente

The mess they're in is b/c Abbott pencil whipped their own "oversight".. you see how that's problematic and needs actual oversight right? 

How ridiculous; there is absolutely NO WIN in shipping product that is going to make babies sick; there is ZERO desire to get into that predicament, and they never have been in that predicament.  It doesn't take 4 months to address some minor issues; the FDA is out of line, but  they are using a tried and true tactic to attempt to get more funding from their bloated government advocates in congress. 

As usual, government IS the problem.

posted by geeblock

I read that abbott got fed money to fix their production lines and used it to buy stock shares which lead to the contamination in the first place.

Mind numbing.

posted by QuakerOats

How ridiculous; there is absolutely NO WIN in shipping product that is going to make babies sick; there is ZERO desire to get into that predicament, and they never have been in that predicament.  It doesn't take 4 months to address some minor issues; the FDA is out of line, but  they are using a tried and true tactic to attempt to get more funding from their bloated government advocates in congress. 

As usual, government IS the problem.

There's no win? Maybe.. but there's avoiding losses. Which is what they did. 

Gotta love the age of google….

4/31/20: No one on here knows shit about baby formula supply chain.

5/19/20: People on here trading arguments based upon the most minute details about baby formula supply chain and it’s gov’t oversight. Usual suspect is as condescending as ever to those who disagree with his point.  

posted by kizer permanente

The mess they're in is b/c Abbott pencil whipped their own "oversight".. you see how that's problematic and needs actual oversight right? 

So are you then admitting that the Rs did in fact vote for a formula bill just against the FDA extra funding then?

Did you know they passed the formula bill when you originally posted that picture? It’s a simple yes or no.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Gotta love the age of google….

4/31/20: No one on here knows shit about baby formula supply chain.

5/19/20: People on here trading arguments based upon the most minute details about baby formula supply chain and it’s gov’t oversight. Usual suspect is as condescending as ever to those who disagree with his point.  

And that's politics in a nutshell.

1. Determine something is an issue and play to emotions.

2. Watch all the good little NPCs get fired-the-fuck-up over this issue they'd never even considered to be an issue until their masters told them it was.

3. ?????

4. PROFIT!!!

posted by Heretic

And that's politics in a nutshell.

1. Determine something is an issue and play to emotions.

2. Watch all the good little NPCs get fired-the-fuck-up over this issue they'd never even considered to be an issue until their masters told them it was.

3. ?????

4. PROFIT!!!

That fucking idiot still thinks it's 2020

posted by jmog

So are you then admitting that the Rs did in fact vote for a formula bill just against the FDA extra funding then?

Did you know they passed the formula bill when you originally posted that picture? It’s a simple yes or no.

I had seen it passed in spite of MAGA’s finest Boebert Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor Greene just trying to make America great again with their no votes. QO must have shed a tear he was so proud. 

posted by kizer permanente

I had seen it passed in spite of MAGA’s finest Boebert Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor Greene just trying to make America great again with their no votes. QO must have shed a tear he was so proud. 

So you name two Rs that voted against it…you knew it passed…so your post earlier was just a lie to make Rs look bad?

That’s QO level bull shit Kizer just the other side of the aisle.

Congratulations on confirming your partisanship is on QOs level…

posted by jmog

So you name two Rs that voted against it…you knew it passed…so your post earlier was just a lie to make Rs look bad?

That’s QO level bull shit Kizer just the other side of the aisle.

Congratulations on confirming your partisanship is on QOs level…

2?  I personally named 3 then there were 6 other R’s that voted no. For fucking baby formula lol. How many Dems voted no? I’ll save you time  (or inability to count? , either or) … zero  

I don’t have to make R’s look bad  they do it on the daily. You just have the urge to defend them at all costs. While trying to convince everyone you’re not one lol. 

posted by jmog

So you name two Rs that voted against it…you knew it passed…so your post earlier was just a lie to make Rs look bad?

That’s QO level bull shit Kizer just the other side of the aisle.

Congratulations on confirming your partisanship is on QOs level…

He didn't know the other bill passed with heavy bipartisanship.  He saw the photo on facebook or twitter and then posted it here as if it was a mic drop, without actually reading the bill or looking into the whole story.  Now he is hedging by discussing the handful of Rs who did not vote for the bill, which is also disingenuous, because you can do this about either party for any bill that passes (and he knows this). 

For someone who reports his friends and family on facebook for disinformation, you would think he would at least look into everything prior to just posting a photo. 

On a related note, LOL at thinking giving the FDA $28M would make a difference. 

posted by like_that

He didn't know the other bill passed with heavy bipartisanship.  He saw the photo on facebook or twitter and then posted it here as if it was a mic drop, without actually reading the bill or looking into the whole story.  Now he is hedging by discussing the handful of Rs who did not vote for the bill, which is also disingenuous, because you can do this about either party for any bill that passes (and he knows this). 

For someone who reports his friends and family on facebook for disinformation, you would think he would at least look into everything prior to just posting a photo. 

On a related note, LOL at thinking giving the FDA $28M would make a difference. 

 I posted it just bc of icl comment about how the right “cares about baby formula shortage”.. well..except for the MAGAts I guess. 

We also have the same people on this thread complaining how long it takes the FDA to address Abbotts plant closure try to justify voting to not give the FDA money for resources.  But… irony has never been lost on you, I guess. 

posted by superman

That fucking idiot still thinks it's 2020

2019

Like_that also fits the jmog mould of vehemently claiming they’re not Republican, but defend them at all costs. And only attack the left.  Both like to take jabs at p-town when he claims he’s centric and not left.  

But.. again… it’s the irony for me. 

posted by kizer permanente

2?  I personally named 3 then there were 6 other R’s that voted no. For fucking baby formula lol. How many Dems voted no? I’ll save you time  (or inability to count? , either or) … zero  

I don’t have to make R’s look bad  they do it on the daily. You just have the urge to defend them at all costs. While trying to convince everyone you’re not one lol. 

So the Rs passed it as well by an overwhelming majority, yet you try to pass if off that Rs don’t care about baby formula by posting that BS picture which was about a vote for funding for the FDA.

Come on, that’s some bull shit and you know it. 

You are just as bad as QO, just the other side. 

posted by kizer permanente

Like_that also fits the jmog mould of vehemently claiming they’re not Republican, but defend them at all costs. And only attack the left.  Both like to take jabs at p-town when he claims he’s centric and not left.  

But.. again… it’s the irony for me. 

Pointing out your idiotic statement as false is not the same as defending the Rs. 

Just because someone calls out your made up bull shit you saw on Twitter doesn’t mean they are defending Rs.

You’re smart enough to know the difference.

My presidential voting record…

Clinton

Clinton

Bush

Bush

Obama

Romney

Trump (really wanted to vote libertarian both Trump elections)

Trump

And I nearly always vote the opposite party for HoR and Senate, would rather have a gridlock in the federal government than one party owning both branches.

Yup, real hard core R over hear…

Reality is I am just not a far leftist so to you I look like a R with as far left as us for appear to be