posted by gut

 

The phrase you're looking for is "kicking the can down the road".

Spin it however you like.   Technically, we are still at war with NK.  Lets see if KJU is seriously willing to give up it's nukes or if is just playing Trump. 

Lets see what preconditions are agreed upon. 

Jeffery Lewis is right -

   “To be clear — we need to talk to North Korea,” Lewis explained in a follow-up tweet. “But Kim is not inviting Trump so that he can surrender North Korea’s weapons. Kim is inviting Trump to demonstrate that his investment in nuclear and missile capabilities has forced the United States to treat him as an equal.”

Man the liberal spin is strong......all of a sudden meeting with NK and gun control are things we "should not" do.  

posted by HOF on coattails

Spin it however you like.   Technically, we are still at war with NK.  Lets see if KJU is seriously willing to give up it's nukes or if is just playing Trump. 

Lets see what preconditions are agreed upon. 

 

Jeffery Lewis is right -

 

   “To be clear — we need to talk to North Korea,” Lewis explained in a follow-up tweet. “But Kim is not inviting Trump so that he can surrender North Korea’s weapons. Kim is inviting Trump to demonstrate that his investment in nuclear and missile capabilities has forced the United States to treat him as an equal.”

LMFAO.  You accuse me of "spin" for stating simple facts, and then quote that.

Clinton, Bush and Obama did nothing with Korea.  Fact.  They kicked the can down the road.  Fact.  You need to actually talk to Kim to accomplish anything.  Fact.

Trump will probably fail like his predecessors (who barely even tried), but meeting with Kim isn't some sort of global disaster.  The whole "not recognizing" thing is pretty childish for foreign diplomacy.  Don't know who the idiot was that came up with that, or why these jackasses still think it's good policy.

Obama frickin' sent Dennis Rodman.  JFC that guy was a disaster.

posted by gut

 

Obama frickin' sent Dennis Rodman.  JFC that guy was a disaster.

Well, he had already won the Nobel Peace Prize, so ....

posted by gut

You need to actually talk to Kim to accomplish anything.  Fact.

Obama frickin' sent Dennis Rodman.  JFC that guy was a disaster.

You're right.  Trump sitting face-to-face with little rocket man will make all of the difference.  My bad.

lol...Obama sent Rodman.  That's a good one.

(edit) Do you two, Spock and Gut, really believe Obama sent Rodman to NK?  

Gut pretty much just powned you.  Other presidents did nothing because they made all their decisions based on what political optics were done.  Trump DGAF about that.

posted by Spock

 Other presidents did nothing because they made all their decisions based on what political optics were done.  Trump DGAF about that.

 

Lets hope so.    Do you believe NK will agree to denuclearize?   Trump DGAF about political optics, so he's willing to meet with NK.

Got it.  

Lol anyone see the Dems new tax plan? Increasing taxes will surely win you 2018, please run on that, and gun confiscation

posted by HOF on coattails

Lets hope so.    Do you believe NK will agree to denuclearize?   Trump DGAF about political optics, so he's willing to meet with NK.

 

Got it.  

 

KJU can be held at bay.  He cares less about politics then Trump so if anyone can negotiate with him it will be the other BSer in the room.

posted by Spock

 Trump and pubs gonna sweep 2018 and 2020.

The Dem bench is small.  Warren basically giving up sends message that don't bother in 2020.  Trump aint losing.

Conor Lamb and Doug Jones, disagrees.

posted by Said

Conor Lamb and Doug Jones, disagrees.

Dems will gain seats, just because history says so, but to think Doug Jones going up against a child molester is a good indication is idiotic at best.  That seat will flip back to a republican easily in 2020.  Book it.

Conor Lamb isn't a bad indicator of the dem's strategy though.  Throw out moderate dem candidates (ex-marine as well) in rust belt districts.  Unfortunately the party has gone full retard though, so it will be interesting to see how many of the "bernie" candidates win the primaries and ruin the dem's chances of winning a seat.  

It will be interesting though if a decent chunk of dems winning seats are moderates like Jim Webb.  I would like to see if they actually remain principled once they are elected, or if they will get in line with the rest of the dems going full retard on identity politics.  

Yeah, the Ds will pick up seats, just depends on how much. 

Two things from last night. One, apparently, healthcare was a big thing last night and Lamb won that issue. The R efforts to go full Quaker and repeal the ACA is not popular. 

https://www.publicpolicypolling.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/PA18PostElectionSurvey.pdf

Two, Trump won the district by 20 points, but his approval rating is now at 50%. 

If Ds can hone that message, yeah I could see a wave, depending on the district and issue. 

Also, Trump straight up sucks at closing to support a candidate. If I was an R fighting for a seat, I wouldn't want him anywhere near my race. 

posted by like_that

 

   Unfortunately the party has gone full retard though,   

Are you talking about the Dems or the Repubs?   If anyone has gone full retard, it's the party and people who support this guy.  A child molester lost in Alabama and yes, it's very well possible it'll be back to a GOP seat here in a few years, but to all those people who voted Dem this time around, having an adulterer and sexual assaulter running the country is OK?    

Trump firing Tillerson over Twitter shows what type of person he truly is.  

Here we are with a special election for Congress in Pa and just look at what is happening.  We have a D that sounds like an R and it looks like he might win.  To congress he will go and when he get there he will vote just like the D party tell him to. Why do we as a country think we need to have the opposing party in power of Congress so nothing gets done.  Just when the economy is looking, lets shut it down and wish things would get better. 

Certainly not a harbinger of any sort.  Lamb ran a good campaign, and is a military guy who is pro life and pro gun, supposedly; sort of like voting for a republican.  Add that to Saccone not being a good campaigner, little personality, and unable to get the ball over the finish line, and the race was going to be tough.  However, it almost does not matter because PA is having to redraw congressional districts and neither one of these guys may end up being a rep down the road. 

THis seat is going to be held till november and it will be up again.......lets not get excited about running DC from this one night.

posted by Said

Are you talking about the Dems or the Repubs?   If anyone has gone full retard, it's the party and people who support this guy.  A child molester lost in Alabama and yes, it's very well possible it'll be back to a GOP seat here in a few years, but to all those people who voted Dem this time around, having an adulterer and sexual assaulter running the country is OK?    

Trump firing Tillerson over Twitter shows what type of person he truly is.  

Said, you have been posting on 50000 usernames long enough to know I think  both parties are a pile of shit.  That being said the dems have gone full retard with their regressive identity politics bullshit and embracing socialism.   Regardless, my point stands, Doug Jones is a horrible argument for the case you were trying to make.  Quit recycling what occupy democrats tells you. 

posted by like_that

Quit recycling what occupy democrats tells you. 

I'll have to check them out.  Most of my material comes from MSNBC.

posted by like_that

 

Dems will gain seats, just because history says so, but to think Doug Jones going up against a child molester is a good indication is idiotic at best.  That seat will flip back to a republican easily in 2020.  Book it.

And they can't pour the same amount of money into these contests when you have 180 seats up natrionwide in the House and Senate.

Pull out all the big guns so they can say "see, look Trump is being repudiated".  After losing the first handful of contests, they've finally won a couple.

posted by QuakerOats

Certainly not a harbinger of any sort.  Lamb ran a good campaign, and is a military guy who is pro life and pro gun, supposedly; sort of like voting for a republican. 

Sounds like he might actually be more Republican than Trump

I don't think it's a good idea to retaliate when either party gets rightly criticized and/or mocked. You can't take it personally. Well, I guess if you're a spokesperson for a political party you probably will take things personally. But none of us are in that position.

The guy basically ran as a Republican (and ran a solid campaign) against a guy who ran like he didn’t even really want the job. 

Not sure why anyone with a modicum of political acumen would be surprised. 

posted by fish82

The guy basically ran as a Republican (and ran a solid campaign) against a guy who ran like he didn’t even really want the job. 

Not sure why anyone with a modicum of political acumen would be surprised. 

Gonna have to disagree. The guy ran as a likeable, normal Midwestern Democrat the likes of which were all erased from Congress and state legislatures after the Tea Party Walloping and re-districting in 2010. His "Priorities" on his website for example were all traditional "big government" policy/economics Dem priorities and he avoided or moderated the Dem Killer Issues e.g. Climate Change, Abortion, Guns, Immigration. 

posted by BoatShoes

Gonna have to disagree. The guy ran as a likeable, normal Midwestern Democrat the likes of which were all erased from Congress and state legislatures after the Tea Party Walloping and re-districting in 2010. His "Priorities" on his website for example were all traditional "big government" policy/economics Dem priorities and he avoided or moderated the Dem Killer Issues e.g. Climate Change, Abortion, Guns, Immigration. 

So when Pelosi and Shumar walk in to his office and demand a partisan vote he is going to laugh at them?  I think not.

Even though he disavowed Pelosi in his campaign, he will cave and circle the wagons like all dems always do.