Massillon offered Nate Moore over $200,000 package to be football coach

• Al Bundy

  TigerLB;1746084 wrote:Here is what happened to Massillon
  
  http://peoplenotpolitics.blogspot.com/2015/08/the-destruction-of-infrastructure-of.html
  
  The "feeder system" of recruitment and training of the talent, which had been in place since the 1930s, was destroyed.

  We had over 1400 workout at our combine last year. Our feeder system is fine.
• Al Bundy

  TigerLB;1746078 wrote:Only idiots think that "the job of the athletic director is to put "the team" in a position to win championships" because by definition, only one team in each division can win "a championship" and the purpose of the activity (ANY extracurricular) is education.
  
  ONLY a TRUE idiot whose school district has TWO Athletic Directors, makes the statement: "By having one person do both, it saves our school district on some benefits."
  
  Massillon full of true idiots.

  I'm sorry that you set the bar so low. If you are aiming for anything less than a championship, you are cheating the kids. As far as less benefits, we have two people filling three positions (head football coach, ad, and assistant ad). Sorry if that math confused you.
• TigerLB

  ONLY a true idiot would post that Massillon bribed this guy with $200,000 as if it was something to brag about.
  
  JAN 18 2015:
  
  http://www.cantonrep.com/article/20150118/Sports/150119379
  
  "EMERGENCY! TOM LOMBARDO SMELLED THE STENCH, AND BACKED OUT"
  
  GOODRIGHT: CALL LEE OWENS AND TELL HIM TO CALL NATE MOORE: TELL HIM THE SKY'S THE LIMIT"
  
  TELL HIM TO PULL OUR CHESTNUTS OUT OF THE FIRE FOR US."
  
  WE'VE BEEN SCREWING AROUND WITH THIS PHONY APPLICATION / COMMITTEES PROCESS SINCE NOVEMBER AND THE NATIVES ARE GETTING RESTLESS.
  
  http://www.fridaynightohio.com/news/assist-lee-owens-massillon-finds-its-coach-nate-moore-0
  
  "The path Nate Moore took to get to Massillon started when Ashland University head coach Lee Owens was recruiting one of Moore’s LaSalle players.
  
  By the time things were said and done, Owens, a former Massillon coach, had gotten the ball rolling on landing Moore as the newest Tiger mentor.
  
  “It’s kind of funny,” Moore said by phone from Cincinnati on Monday afternoon. “We were starting to develop a little bit of a relationship there, and he’s the one who initially brought up the possibility of coaching at Massillon.”
  
  
  YEAH, OWENS BROUGHT IT UP: THAT'S WHAT GOODRIGHT ASKED HIM TO DO.
  
  IT WAS THE REAL PURPOSE OF THE CALL: TO BRIBE MOORE.
  
  MOORE COULD NOT RESIST ALL THAT MONEY.
  
  IDIOTS WOULD BRAG ABOUT IT.
  
  MASSILLON IS FULL OF THEM.
• TigerLB

  Al Bundy;1746089 wrote:I'm sorry that you set the bar so low. If you are aiming for anything less than a championship, you are cheating the kids. As far as less benefits, we have two people filling three positions (head football coach, ad, and assistant ad). Sorry if that math confused you.

  ONLY A REAL IDIOT THINKS THAT PAYING TWO PEOPLE TO DO ONE JOB IS "SAVING MONEY."
  
  MASSILLON IS FULL OF REAL IDIOTS.
• TigerLB

  Al Bundy;1746088 wrote:We had over 1400 workout at our combine last year. Our feeder system is fine.

  Your combine had 1400 kids? When was that? Where did the kids come from?
  
  Is that where Massillon does its recruiting?
• Al Bundy

  TigerLB;1746097 wrote:Your combine had 1400 kids? When was that? Where did the kids come from?
  
  Is that where Massillon does its recruiting?

  Here is a link to last year's combine. The kids come from all over the United States and Canada. http://www.studentsports.com/blog/2014/02/19/massillon-nfsc-combine-team/ They all have the dream of playing for the Massillon Tigers. Many of them were inspired by the movie "Go Tigers."
• Al Bundy

  TigerLB;1746096 wrote:ONLY A REAL IDIOT THINKS THAT PAYING TWO PEOPLE TO DO ONE JOB IS "SAVING MONEY."
  
  MASSILLON IS FULL OF REAL IDIOTS.

  There are 3 jobs involved. 1) Head football coach, 2) Athletic Director, and 3) Assistant Athletic Director. Coach Moore is so talented that he is able to do 2 of the 3 jobs at the same time. If we had to hire 3 different people to fill those jobs, we would have the expense of benefits for 3 people. With the way it is now, we only have to pay benefits for two of them. Was that written in simple enough language for you?
• TigerLB

  TigerLB;1746097 wrote:Your combine had 1400 kids? When was that? Where did the kids come from?
  
  Is that where Massillon does its recruiting?

  (i think he now realizes that he stepped in it)
• TigerLB

  TigerLB;1746097 wrote:Your combine had 1400 kids? When was that? Where did the kids come from?
  
  Is that where Massillon does its recruiting?

  (i think he now realizes that he stepped in it)
• TigerLB

  Al Bundy;1746112 wrote:There are 3 jobs involved. 1) Head football coach, 2) Athletic Director, and 3) Assistant Athletic Director. Coach Moore is so talented that he is able to do 2 of the 3 jobs at the same time. If we had to hire 3 different people to fill those jobs, we would have the expense of benefits for 3 people. With the way it is now, we only have to pay benefits for two of them. Was that written in simple enough language for you?

  Al Bundy;1746112 wrote:There are 3 jobs involved. 1) Head football coach, 2) Athletic Director, and 3) Assistant Athletic Director. Coach Moore is so talented that he is able to do 2 of the 3 jobs at the same time. If we had to hire 3 different people to fill those jobs, we would have the expense of benefits for 3 people. With the way it is now, we only have to pay benefits for two of them. Was that written in simple enough language for you?

  I marvel at the ignorance you exhibit, born out of arrogance, and presented as "intelligence"
  
  Moore is being paid to perform the duties of a full time "other administrator" It is a fact that he is not performing the duties on a full time basis if at all period.
  
  Being paid $80,000 to peform the duties on a full time basis, that is, expending all time during each school day, at that function, means he is NOT performing the duties on a full time basis, and is stealing.
  
  The fact that the MCSD must employ an assistant means that every dollar paid to the assistant, has to be added to Moore's salary, in calculating the total cost of accomplishing the function of that office.
  
  It is ludicrous to suggest that one person working full time, is incapable of performing the duties, because :
  
  1: It was formerly performed by one person.
  
  2: During the entire 2014-2015 school year, the duties were performed by one person.
  
  3: The duties are being performed by one person today, while Moore performs the duties of a full time professional football coach.
  
  The MCSD is a small (450 students per grade) urban school district and it's ludicrous to assert that one person cannot perform the duties of "Athletic Director" especially considering the bloated army of "other administrators" currently being employed in the MCSD.
  
  In fact one person has always performed those duties.
• Al Bundy

  TigerLB;1746119 wrote:I marvel at the ignorance you exhibit, born out of arrogance, and presented as "intelligence"
  
  Moore is being paid to perform the duties of a full time "other administrator" It is a fact that he is not performing the duties on a full time basis if at all period.
  
  Being paid $80,000 to peform the duties on a full time basis, that is, expending all time during each school day, at that function, means he is NOT performing the duties on a full time basis, and is stealing.
  
  The fact that the MCSD must employ an assistant means that every dollar paid to the assistant, has to be added to Moore's salary, in calculating the total cost of accomplishing the function of that office.
  
  It is ludicrous to suggest that one person working full time, is incapable of performing the duties, because :
  
  1: It was formerly performed by one person.
  
  2: During the entire 2014-2015 school year, the duties were performed by one person.
  
  3: The duties are being performed by one person today, while Moore performs the duties of a full time professional football coach.
  
  The MCSD is a small (450 students per grade) urban school district and it's ludicrous to assert that one person cannot perform the duties of "Athletic Director" especially considering the bloated army of "other administrators" currently being employed in the MCSD.
  
  In fact one person has always performed those duties.

  Many districts have assistant athletic directors. Considering that he is also the head football coach of the premier program in the country, it makes to have an assistant to run around and do some of the minor tasks. Are you really going to interupt football practice if an athletic director is needed for some minor task at another practice or game. This set up also allows the assistant athletic director to attend some of the minor away sports in the fall. The bottom line is that Moore is worth every penny he makes if we bring home the championship.
• TigerLB

  Al Bundy;1746122 wrote:Many districts have assistant athletic directors. Considering that he is also the head football coach of the premier program in the country, it makes to have an assistant to run around and do some of the minor tasks. Are you really going to interupt football practice if an athletic director is needed for some minor task at another practice or game. This set up also allows the assistant athletic director to attend some of the minor away sports in the fall. The bottom line is that Moore is worth every penny he makes if we bring home the championship.

  
  Cite the many districts. Cite size, and compare total administrative load / student of each against MCSD.
  
  I'll give you a month to accumulate that data.
  
  Tell me: who was performing 100% of the duties of Athletic Director from Nov 7 2014, (after Perrysburg mercy clocked Massillon, 56-7 through until .....June 1, 2015?
  
  We know it was not Jason Hall. How many people did it take?
  
  How many people?
• TigerLB

  Why is it worth a dime to "bring home a championship"?
  
  Taking into consideration that fielding a football team at all, is a huge expense?
  
  What does a city school district gain?
  
  Does it promote the education of any chidren?
• Al Bundy

  TigerLB;1746124 wrote:Cite the many districts. Cite size, and compare total administrative load / student of each against MCSD.
  
  I'll give you a month to accumulate that data.
  
  Tell me: who was performing 100% of the duties of Athletic Director from Nov 7 2014, (after Perrysburg mercy clocked Massillon, 56-7 through until .....June 1, 2015?
  
  We know it was not Jason Hall. How many people did it take?
  
  How many people?

  The system in place last year did not work. Why would we continue to use a broken system?
• Al Bundy

  TigerLB;1746125 wrote:Why is it worth a dime to "bring home a championship"?
  
  Taking into consideration that fielding a football team at all, is a huge expense?
  
  What does a city school district gain?
  
  Does it promote the education of any chidren?

  Championships are why you compete. They are why you play the game. If you aren't in it to win, don't bother playing. The city gains recognition as titletown. All high school football fans around the country know Massillon and our greatness. Things are taught on the football that you cannot learn in the classroom. When was the last time 15,000 showed up to watch a kid work out a math problem?
• TigerLB

  Al Bundy;1746131 wrote:Championships are why you compete. They are why you play the game. If you aren't in it to win, don't bother playing. The city gains recognition as titletown. All high school football fans around the country know Massillon and our greatness. Things are taught on the football that you cannot learn in the classroom. When was the last time 15,000 showed up to watch a kid work out a math problem?

  major fail. nothing is taught on a football fields that cannot be learned in a classroom, and for you to assert that there is some special educational benefit to that sport is laughable.
  
  in that sport, only 7 championships are awarded among 700 schools, therefore the activity cannot be justified in terms of championships.
  
  massillon hasn't won a championship in 45 years of any kind.
  
  your own organization: the Massillon Tiger Football Booster Club itself refutes your argument as false.
  
  [h=3]THE MASSILLON TIGER FOOTBALL BOOSTER CLUB
  Formed on September 12, 1934, The Massillon Tiger Football Booster Club is the Granddaddy of high school booster clubs. It is responsible for identification of the Massillon Tigers as “The Most Recognized Show in High School Football.”
  *************************************************************************************[/h]
  http://massillontigers.com/booster_history.html
  
  It was not players, plays, championships or anything else. it was marketing. that is all it ever was.
  
  Here is the Database of all Schools winning State Titles in Ohio.
  
  http://ohsaa.org/sports/records/StateChampionsDatabasebyMost.pdf
  
  As far as the OHSAA is concerned there is one school that has 0 championships in any sport: Massillon
  
  therefore your argument is proven to be baseless.
  
  You previously admitted that a great number of kids attending your combine do so because they are dreaming of going to massillon because they saw "Go Tigers"
  
  A film about Massillon getting beat.
  
  I feel kind of sorry for you, really, a person living in an Alice in Wonderland world of delusions of grandeur.
• Al Bundy

  TigerLB;1746136 wrote:major fail. nothing is taught on a football fields that cannot be learned in a classroom, and for you to assert that there is some special educational benefit to that sport is laughable.
  
  in that sport, only 7 championships are awarded among 700 schools, therefore the activity cannot be justified in terms of championships.
  
  massillon hasn't won a championship in 45 years of any kind.
  
  your own organization: the Massillon Tiger Football Booster Club itself refutes your argument as false.
  
  THE MASSILLON TIGER FOOTBALL BOOSTER CLUB
  Formed on September 12, 1934, The Massillon Tiger Football Booster Club is the Granddaddy of high school booster clubs. It is responsible for identification of the Massillon Tigers as “The Most Recognized Show in High School Football.”
  *************************************************************************************
  
  
  http://massillontigers.com/booster_history.html
  
  It was not players, plays, championships or anything else. it was marketing. that is all it ever was.
  
  Here is the Database of all Schools winning State Titles in Ohio.
  
  http://ohsaa.org/sports/records/StateChampionsDatabasebyMost.pdf
  
  As far as the OHSAA is concerned there is one school that has 0 championships in any sport: Massillon
  
  therefore your argument is proven to be baseless.
  
  You previously admitted that a great number of kids attending your combine do so because they are dreaming of going to massillon because they saw "Go Tigers"
  
  A film about Massillon getting beat.
  
  I feel kind of sorry for you, really, a person living in an Alice in Wonderland world of delusions of grandeur.

  We have 9 national championships (the most of any high school in the world) and 24 state championships (the most of any school in Ohio). People just love our greatness. You even have a screen name in honor of us.
• TigerLB

  Al Bundy;1746140 wrote:We have 9 national championships (the most of any high school in the world) and 24 state championships (the most of any school in Ohio). People just love our greatness. You even have a screen name in honor of us.

  You are delusional: People laugh at Massillon's madness.
  
  I played on the last State Championship team in Massillon.
  
  Big deal. That and 1.75 will get you coffee at McDonalds.
  
  My screen name is not in honor of Massillon, except to the extent that I am part of its history.
  
  And not drinking the orange and black kool aid.
• Al Bundy

  TigerLB;1746141 wrote:You are delusional: People laugh at Massillon's madness.
  
  I played on the last State Championship team in Massillon.
  
  Big deal. That and 1.75 will get you coffee at McDonalds.
  
  My screen name is not in honor of Massillon, except to the extent that I am part of its history.
  
  And not drinking the orange and black kool aid.

  You seem old and bitter. If you really were on our 1972 state championship team, I'm sure that you just rode the bench.
• TigerLB

  Al Bundy;1746143 wrote:You seem old and bitter. If you really were on our 1972 state championship team, I'm sure that you just rode the bench.

  you know nothing of anything: the 1972 team was not State Champs: the last one was 1970 I was a junior letter earner. I was on the KO team and demo defense.
• TigerLB

  But what is notable: you don't even dispute that Lee Owens called Moore to offer him the bribe. (that you bragged about)
  
  well, you can't.
  
  It is indisputable.
• Al Bundy

  TigerLB;1746158 wrote:you know nothing of anything: the 1972 team was not State Champs: the last one was 1970 I was a junior letter earner. I was on the KO team and demo defense.

  We won the AP title in 1972. Congrats on your scout team heroics. They are right up there with Footwedge's JV basketball heroics.
• Al Bundy

  TigerLB;1746159 wrote:But what is notable: you don't even dispute that Lee Owens called Moore to offer him the bribe. (that you bragged about)
  
  well, you can't.
  
  It is indisputable.

  How would I know who they talk to on the phone?
• GoChiefs

  

  TigerLB;1746159 wrote:But what is notable: you don't even dispute that Lee Owens called Moore to offer him the bribe. (that you bragged about)
  
  well, you can't.
  
  It is indisputable.

  Al Bundy isn't actually a Massillon fan. It's just a trolling schtick he's been using for awhile. Don't waste your time.
• Tiernan

  Is it the AD's responsibility to find jobs for the recruit's "Daddy" who he's only seen at Xmas since he was born?
  
  
  Oh wait...nevermind, I forgot...there are no jobs in Massillon anymore. Forget I said anything.