Ron Johnson not renewed @ Canton McKinley

• RedRider1

  

  11 coaches set to be interviewed.
  
  http://fridaynightohio.com/news/mckinley-interviewing-11-coaches
  

  Those who will be interviewed are:
  
  Devlin Culliver, Todd Filtz, Ron Johnson, Eric Mitchell, Tim Tyrell, Anthony Thornton, Dean Brown, Mitch Browning, Jeremy Gold, Craig Coleman and Shauntel Lodge.
  

• RedRider1

  

  This Jeremy Gold guy seems to have quite the resume...he even has his own website.
  
  http://jeremygold.com/index.php
  
  A self-promoter if nothing else.
• Old Rider

  

  ^^^ "Pick me..Pick me!!"
• Series62

  RedRider1;1087973 wrote:This Jeremy Gold guy seems to have quite the resume...he even has his own website.
  
  http://jeremygold.com/index.php
  
  A self-promoter if nothing else.

  Isn't that what a resume is supposed to do?
• RedRider1

  

  That's exactly what it's supposed to do. But a full website promoting your accomplishments is something I'd guess less than 1% of high school football coaches have. Good for him, but it's just not typical...maybe he's thinking outside of the box. He's doing a great job of separating himself already.
  
  If his coaching ability is as good as his ability to self-promote, he's the guy they should hire.
  
  I'm always intrigued by out-of-state coaching candidates. Why do they want to leave where they're at? How'd they hear about the job? Did someone at McK reach out to him?
  
  I'd say he and Todd Filtz (Maple Hts.) would be the first 2 I'd want to interview and measure the rest against those 2. but with a committee of 15, you wonder if any candidate will get majority support.
• skank

  

  Mr. Gold just may be the guy, especially since he's the same color as those making the decisions.
• Series62

  skank;1089291 wrote:Mr. Gold just may be the guy, especially since he's the same color as those making the decisions.

  You're suggesting racism or something to that effect, yet, inasmuch as it might be, would that be your thought if the decision-makers were white?
  
  And unfortunately, sometimes, karma does come calling, and racism isn't pretty is it?
  
  And ask yourself, but for state and Federal laws, would it still be as blatant?
  
  Try being on the recieving end of that hate for 300+ years.
• skank

  

  Series62;1089331 wrote:You're suggesting racism or something to that effect, yet, inasmuch as it might be, would that be your thought if the decision-makers were white?
  
  And unfortunately, sometimes, karma does come calling, and it isn't pretty is it?

  
  
  Yes I am....er, I am not, it has been suggested by others since the post season banquet of 2010. Are you new to Ohio? Can you name one black candidate from the last hiring that "out qualified" a white candidate? look at RJ's results and tell me why he was fired.
• Series62

  RedRider1;1089125 wrote:That's exactly what it's supposed to do. But a full website promoting your accomplishments is something I'd guess less than 1% of high school football coaches have. Good for him, but it's just not typical...maybe he's thinking outside of the box. He's doing a great job of separating himself already.
  
  If his coaching ability is as good as his ability to self-promote, he's the guy they should hire.
  
  I'm always intrigued by out-of-state coaching candidates. Why do they want to leave where they're at? How'd they hear about the job? Did someone at McK reach out to him?
  
  I'd say he and Todd Filtz (Maple Hts.) would be the first 2 I'd want to interview and measure the rest against those 2. but with a committee of 15, you wonder if any candidate will get majority support.

  Perhaps he realizes that consideration of for the position will cause much scrutiny by some like you and then some like skank. Having his experience and skillsets openly published can serve to justify his being hired because he posesses what the school/team requires and negates conversation that he was hired simply because he is "black", as skank is wont to suggest.
• Series62

  skank;1089337 wrote:Yes I am....er, I am not, it has been suggested by others since the post season banquet of 2010. Are you new to Ohio? Can you name one black candidate from the last hiring that "out qualified" a white candidate? look at RJ's results and tell me why he was fired.

  You suggested it in your comment also. No, I can't name any candidate or their qualifications, black or white, and the fact that there were no black candidates that "out-qualified" white candidates is grounded in the fact that a black man can't get experience if he can't get a job because he's black. And in the past several years, the NFL has instituted a policy that teams should at least make an effort to interview minorities for head coaching positions. Why do YOU think they did that?
  
  No, I'm not from Ohio, but I am from America! Are you?
  
  If RJ was fired because he is white, that is very, very unfortunate especially considering his accomplishments. But as I said before, "unfortunately, sometimes, karma does come calling" not necessarily on him because it is not to suggest that he is a racist, he may be innocent in that regard, however, that's how it goes!
• skank

  

  Series62;1089360 wrote:You suggested it in your comment also. No, I can't name any candidate or their qualifications, black or white, and the fact that there were no black candidates that "out-qualified" white candidates is grounded in the fact that a black man can't get experience if he can't get a job because he's black. And in the past several years, the NFL has instituted a policy that teams should at least make an effort to interview minorities for head coaching positions. Why do YOU think they did that?
  
  No, I'm not from Ohio, but I am from America! Are you?
  
  If RJ was fired because he is white, that is very, very unfortunate especially considering his accomplishments. But as I said before, "unfortunately, sometimes, karma does come calling" not necessarily on him because it is not to suggest that he is a racist, he may be innocent in that regard, however, that's how it goes!

  
  
  I suggested in my comment that there ARE racial overtones at Canton McKinley, simply, because....There ARE. Now before you accuse me of being a racist, here in Massillon, I also wanted a black man to get the job as OC a few years ago simply because he was the best man for the job....BY FAR. There is a racial situation at Canton McKinley, but I didn't create it, I just comment on it.
• Series62

  skank;1089500 wrote:I suggested in my comment that there ARE racial overtones at Canton McKinley, simply, because....There ARE. Now before you accuse me of being a racist, here in Massillon, I also wanted a black man to get the job as OC a few years ago simply because he was the best man for the job....BY FAR. There is a racial situation at Canton McKinley, but I didn't create it, I just comment on it.

  I didn't accuse you, and your "suggestion" eluded to your mindset regarding race. Perhaps you didn't create the situation, you are doing much to continue it!
  
  When did the discussion of an OC position occur?
• skank

  

  Series62;1089539 wrote:I didn't accuse you, and your "suggestion" eluded to your mindset regarding race. Perhaps you didn't create the situation, you are doing much to continue it!
  
  When did the discussion of an OC position occur?

  
  
  It's not my job to quell the situation, my opinion you ask? The African Americans community at McKinley created this situation, why should I try to put the fire out that they started? There really wasn't a "discussion" about the OC, it's called an example.
• RedRider1

  

  Series62;1089360 wrote:If RJ was fired because he is white, that is very, very unfortunate especially considering his accomplishments. But as I said before, "unfortunately, sometimes, karma does come calling" not necessarily on him because it is not to suggest that he is a racist, he may be innocent in that regard, however, that's how it goes!

  How about we not call this "karma" and say what it really is? Canton is a racially fragmented community...a school made up of predominantly African Americans athletes and white coaches. That's always going to foster some kind of resentment. Sometimes justified, sometimes completely fabricated.
  
  This is an ugly situation that wont have a good outcome until someone comes in and takes control of the program..and gets the kids and the supporters to cheer for the color of the jersey, not the color of skin.
  
  Give an African American a shot...Gold seems well-qualified...maybe the community can get behind him....it's just sad that Johnson had to be forced out by some pretty transparent motives.
  
  Series...I know what you think of how things are done here in Orrville. Times that by about 100 and that's Canton McKinley.
• password

  

  Some interesting comments about Jeremy Gold. He was given the job because his aunt was the principal at the current school, wonder if he has any relatives at Canton McKinley?
  
  http://neilski.typepad.com/wwwlanetechfancom_blog/2011/12/peaks-and-valleys.html?cid=6a00df351efa8888330162fd8ba6d3970d
• RedRider1

  

  Goes back to my curiosity about out of state coaches...do they have a connection? Did someone seek them out?
  
  I'd almost guarantee there's a connection to McK.
• skank

  

  RedRider1;1089727 wrote:How about we not call this "karma" and say what it really is? Canton is a racially fragmented community...a school made up of predominantly African Americans athletes and white coaches. That's always going to foster some kind of resentment. Sometimes justified, sometimes completely fabricated.
  
  This is an ugly situation that wont have a good outcome until someone comes in and takes control of the program..and gets the kids and the supporters to cheer for the color of the jersey, not the color of skin.
  
  Give an African American a shot...Gold seems well-qualified...maybe the community can get behind him....it's just sad that Johnson had to be forced out by some pretty transparent motives.
  
  Series...I know what you think of how things are done here in Orrville. Times that by about 100 and that's Canton McKinley.

  
  
  I agree with everything you said, until you said, "give an African American a shot". I say, give the best qualified coach a shot....Regardless of the color of his skin.
• RedRider1

  

  skank;1090109 wrote:I agree with everything you said, until you said, "give an African American a shot". I say, give the best qualified coach a shot....Regardless of the color of his skin.

  
  I agree with that in every employment scenario, but I've heard it proclaimed that there's never been an African American head coach at McK...which shouldn't be an issue (has there ever been an Asian head coach? A female?) but is obviously being made an issue in this case so it speaks to the agenda in this situation.
• Old Rider

  

  I have been saying it all along....bring Jesse Jackson in and his son!
• Series62

  RedRider1;1089727 wrote:......Series...I know what you think of how things are done here in Orrville.....

  Tell us "how things are done in Orrville!"
• RedRider1

  

  I've read enough of your posts to know how YOU think it's done...I've also gone back and forth with you enough to know that it won't be worth my time.
  
  This isn't an Orrville thread....so let's stay on subject.
• Series62

  RedRider1;1091169...This isn't an Orrville thread....so let's stay on subject.[/QUOTE wrote:
  No, it's not an Orrville thread, and if it's not worth your time then YOU should've stayed on subject!

• Series62

  RedRider1;1089727 wrote:How about we not call this "karma" and say what it really is? Canton is a racially fragmented community...a school made up of predominantly African Americans athletes and white coaches. That's always going to foster some kind of resentment. Sometimes justified, sometimes completely fabricated......

  Because of the type of community you say it is and has been, where whites controlled who recieved what jobs, it will more likely than not say that there were never any "qualified African-American candidates" for the Head Coaching position. That in return works to "fragment" a community! If that fragmentation fosters resentment, sooner or later you'll get "karma". "Sometimes justified, sometimes completely fabricated".
  
  WRONG, just isn't pretty is it?!!
• Al Bundy

  skank;1090109 wrote:I agree with everything you said, until you said, "give an African American a shot".

  Happy Black History Month.
• Old Rider

  

  Series62;1091257 wrote:Because of the type of community you say it is and has been, where whites controlled who recieved what jobs, it will more likely than not say that there were never any "qualified African-American candidates" for the Head Coaching position. That in return works to "fragment" a community! If that fragmentation fosters resentment, sooner or later you'll get "karma". "Sometimes justified, sometimes completely fabricated".
  
  WRONG, just isn't pretty is it?!!

  So much love for Orrville..