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2012 Wayne County Athletic League Football

  • Dr. KnOiTaLL
    Red Rum;1220855 wrote:Since there's not much going on....


    Here's an FYI from the "for what it's worth" files......

    WCAL WIN/LOSS RECORDS 2000-2012 (playoffs included)
    1. Smithville
    98-41 .705 8 playoff app. (2002 D5 State runnerup)

    2. Dalton
    82-50 .621 7 playoff app.

    3. Norwayne
    71-57 .554 3 playoff app. (2011 D4 State Champs)

    4. Waynedale
    67-59 .531 4 playoff app.

    5. Northwestern
    65-60 .520 3 playoff app.

    6. Hillsdale
    61-64 .488 2 playoff app.

    7. Rittman
    38-83 .314 1 playoff app.

    8. Chippewa
    31-89 .258 0 playoff app.



    ....and from "sadness & despair" folder

    Chippewa is presently mired in a 23 game losing streak. Their last victory came against backyard rival Rittman on Oct 9 2009. (22-6 score)


    note: all stats and facts are subject to my occasional inability to get information correct
    Pretty impressive that 6 teams have made multiple playoff appearances in that span. It certainly speaks to the quality of play within our conference, even if there have been a few teams sucking the life out of the league in recent years.
  • Bloody Toothbrush
    Been catching up on my internet reading today......


    and things are so dead, Red Bum is breaking out the stat/fact lists.......whats next Rumhole, league opener records since 2000?........SMH!!!!

    also found out a Wayne County Mafia apparently exists......and has a shot caller & hitter..........again, SMH!!!!

    I see the WCM from more of a Godfather movie point of view....

    Santino....................Beast, hothead & big mouth. Dies in a hail of gunfire
    Tom Hagen...............Otrap. He multiquotes you into submission
    Fredo.......................Paul. Stupid yet oddly interesting
    Michael....................Miyagi. A true cheat, liar and villan
    Vito.........................Ringz. He's so old he has to be the godfather
    Luca Brasi................Red Rum. He fits the role perfectly....big, dumb & mean.
    Clemenza.................Luckydog. probably sleeps with a gun in real life.
    Tessio......................Jmar. I think he knows more than he tells us.

    How boring are my Sunday nights when I'm making godfather/wcal poster lists.......SMH!!!!!!!!!!!
  • BRF
    Bloody Toothbrush;1221185 wrote:


    I see the WCM from more of a Godfather movie point of view....

    Santino....................Beast, hothead & big mouth. Dies in a hail of gunfire
    Tom Hagen...............Otrap. He multiquotes you into submission
    Fredo.......................Paul. Stupid yet oddly interesting
    Michael....................Miyagi. A true cheat, liar and villan
    Vito.........................Ringz. He's so old he has to be the godfather
    Luca Brasi................Red Rum. He fits the role perfectly....big, dumb & mean.
    Clemenza.................Luckydog. probably sleeps with a gun in real life.
    Tessio......................Jmar. I think he knows more than he tells us.
    That is very good and entertaining reading.

    BRF could be Al Martino.?? However, I should remind you that I am older than RingZ.
  • oldsmithie
    I will give this a shot:
    1. Norwayne
    2. Northwestern
    3. Smithville
    4. Hillsdale
    5. Waynedale
    6. Dalton
    7. Rittman
    8. Chippewa
  • THE4RINGZ
    The first rule of the Wayne County Mafia is you don't talk about the Wayne County Mafia.
  • O-Trap
    I've actually been told I'd make a good consigliere before.

    As for Rum's stats, I had to bring this up in the Chipps' defense. Just one year prior to that list, I believe they went 9-1 and went to the playoffs.
  • Bobcat
    I'll explain my prediction Red Rum. I think that a lot of the scoring success that Norwayne is enjoying is because of the system. I know execution is critical and the loss of Wallace is huge, however, Norwayne is returning a ton on the offensive side of the ball. It's going to be difficult for any team on the schedule to cover all the wide outs (Berger and Harris in particular) and Jon Zimmmerly is a beast at tailback. If the new QB can manage the game and not turn the ball over excessively they will score a bunch. The key is the fact that the defensive wont be nearly as good as it was a year ago. They will give up a lot more points which will keep the offense on the field more. Last years teams offensive unit spent a lot of time on the sidelines in the second half of many games. They could have scored a lot more but when the other team isnt scoring or is scoring very little you have to pull in the horns. I think this years team is going to have to score big to win in several of their games.
  • Red Rum
    Bloody Toothbrush;1221185 wrote:and things are so dead, Red Bum is breaking out the stat/fact lists.......whats next Rumhole, league opener records since 2000?
    Here ya go!:laugh:

    league opener records since 2001 (Eitals wayback machine only goes to 2001 for this application)
    Smithville......9-2
    Dalton...........9-2
    Waynedale.....7-4
    Norwayne......6-5
    Hillsdale........6-5
    Northwestern...4-7
    Chippewa......2-9
    Rittman.........1-10

    longest current league opener winning streak: (3) Hillsdale......last league opener loss in 2008 to Norwayne ( 12-31 score)

    longest current league opener losing streak: (8) Chippewa.....last league opener win in 2003 vs Norwayne (44-37 score)


    O-Trap;1221409 wrote:As for Rum's stats, I had to bring this up in the Chipps' defense. Just one year prior to that list, I believe they went 9-1 and went to the playoffs.
    very true. I think they upset Smithville for the title or a share of it that year (not positive though). Anyway, great Chip team.

    Bobcat;1221423 wrote:I'll explain my prediction Red Rum. .
    No need to explain any prediction to me, I once predicted front wheel drive was a fad that would soon pass
    Best of luck on your prediction, it's bold yet not impossible.
  • O-Trap
    Red Rum;1221496 wrote:very true. I think they upset Smithville for the title or a share of it that year (not positive though). Anyway, great Chip team.
    Yep. I was in Smithville at the time, and they won on a last-second field goal. It was deflating for us, but I'm sure they felt good about it. They won the conference outright that year, I believe. Their loss was non-league, unless I remember incorrectly.
  • 1486wd
    Bubba smith. One of the better wcl qbs i have seen
  • Dr. KnOiTaLL
    1486wd;1221532 wrote:Bubba smith. One of the better wcl qbs i have seen
    Agreed. +1
  • O-Trap
    Definitely.

    The guy that succeeded him ... eh ...
  • Coach_08
    Hey any word on who B.B. hired to his staff at Smithville?
  • Red Rum
    Bubba Smith had one of the better college careers for wcal players. I know he left Allegheny with a couple of school records, pass yds and TDs passes I think. No idea if he still holds them.

    On the subject of the 1999 Chips, a little research revealed their only regular season loss was to Tuslaw ( L 0-14) and they won a playoff game (Martins Ferry 24-14) before running into Cardinal Mooney ( L 0-61)
  • 1486wd
    The best two wcl qb's in college that I can think of are smith and Andrew miller from
    Dalton who set lots of records at heidelberg
  • thePITman
    Bobcat;1220061 wrote:I predict Norwaynes offense will average more points this year then they did last year
    Red Rum;1220088 wrote:That's a gutsy prediction Bobcat,
    Red Rum;1220088 wrote:
    15 games...686 pts....45.7 avg

    10 games...470 pts....47.0 avg

    7 conference games...339 pts....48.4 avg

    Did Norwayne break the conference or regular season scoring record last year? I thought they did but I'm not sure.
    Bobcat;1221423 wrote:I'll explain my prediction Red Rum. I think that a lot of the scoring success that Norwayne is enjoying is because of the system. I know execution is critical and the loss of Wallace is huge, however, Norwayne is returning a ton on the offensive side of the ball. It's going to be difficult for any team on the schedule to cover all the wide outs (Berger and Harris in particular) and Jon Zimmmerly is a beast at tailback. If the new QB can manage the game and not turn the ball over excessively they will score a bunch. The key is the fact that the defensive wont be nearly as good as it was a year ago. They will give up a lot more points which will keep the offense on the field more. Last years teams offensive unit spent a lot of time on the sidelines in the second half of many games. They could have scored a lot more but when the other team isnt scoring or is scoring very little you have to pull in the horns. I think this years team is going to have to score big to win in several of their games.


    I don't think Norwayne will average 35 points per game this year, let alone 47. That's my prediction. Some kids are just winners, gamers, leaders, and the ones who have all the intangibles in the world. Wallace was one of those guys. He will be sorely missed. However, Norwayne WILL still be good. But nothing like last year, IMO.
    Jmar25;1220156 wrote:Ya. Was 2003 Waynedale with 444 for the regular season.
    I helped contribute to Waynedale's scoring.
  • O-Trap
    Red Rum;1221959 wrote:Bubba Smith had one of the better college careers for wcal players. I know he left Allegheny with a couple of school records, pass yds and TDs passes I think. No idea if he still holds them.

    On the subject of the 1999 Chips, a little research revealed their only regular season loss was to Tuslaw ( L 0-14) and they won a playoff game (Martins Ferry 24-14) before running into Cardinal Mooney ( L 0-61)
    By "they," you mean Tuslaw, right? As I recall, Chippewa lost in the first round that year.
  • Red Rum
    O-Trap;1222427 wrote:By "they," you mean Tuslaw, right? As I recall, Chippewa lost in the first round that year.

    No, I meant Chippewa. My obviously faulty memory had them(Chippewa) losing a wcal game and losing in the 1st round of the playoffs. When I started looking into it I found this
    http://enquirer.com/editions/1999/11/09/spt_ohio_football.html

    DIVISION IV
    Akron St. Vincent-St. Mary 15, Akron Manchester 7
    Cin. Indian Hill 26, Cin. Madeira 14
    Coldwater 34, Tontogany Otsego 0
    Coshocton 47, Navarre Fairless 18
    Doylestown Chippewa 24, Martins Ferry 14
    Germantown Valley View 44, Portsmouth 16
    Girard 28, Atwater Waterloo 0
    Ironton 28, Cin. Wyoming 14
    Kenton 35, Bellville Clear Fork 28
    Marion Elgin 21, Sparta Highland 13
    Oak Harbor 24, Wauseon 13
    Sandusky Perkins 49, Newton Falls 12
    Struthers 27, Campbell Memorial 20
    Wheelersburg 30, Hamilton Badin 7
    Wickliffe 22, Chagrin Falls 20
    Youngs. Mooney 19, Utica 16

    then I was wandering around the youngstown vindicator website and found this....
    http://www.vindy.com/news/2009/aug/23/1972/ (note: huge list starting in 1972)

    Regional Semifinals
    Sandusky Perkins 33, Girard 6
    Coshocton 44, Struthers 7
    Mooney 61, Doylestown Chippewa 0

    I was around at this time and don't remember either of these games. I blame Miyagi and his penchant for convincing me to get plastered every football friday for decades.
  • O-Trap
    Red Rum;1222459 wrote:No, I meant Chippewa. My obviously faulty memory had them(Chippewa) losing a wcal game and losing in the 1st round of the playoffs. When I started looking into it I found this
    http://enquirer.com/editions/1999/11/09/spt_ohio_football.html

    DIVISION IV
    Akron St. Vincent-St. Mary 15, Akron Manchester 7
    Cin. Indian Hill 26, Cin. Madeira 14
    Coldwater 34, Tontogany Otsego 0
    Coshocton 47, Navarre Fairless 18
    Doylestown Chippewa 24, Martins Ferry 14
    Germantown Valley View 44, Portsmouth 16
    Girard 28, Atwater Waterloo 0
    Ironton 28, Cin. Wyoming 14
    Kenton 35, Bellville Clear Fork 28
    Marion Elgin 21, Sparta Highland 13
    Oak Harbor 24, Wauseon 13
    Sandusky Perkins 49, Newton Falls 12
    Struthers 27, Campbell Memorial 20
    Wheelersburg 30, Hamilton Badin 7
    Wickliffe 22, Chagrin Falls 20
    Youngs. Mooney 19, Utica 16

    then I was wandering around the youngstown vindicator website and found this....
    http://www.vindy.com/news/2009/aug/23/1972/ (note: huge list starting in 1972)

    Regional Semifinals
    Sandusky Perkins 33, Girard 6
    Coshocton 44, Struthers 7
    Mooney 61, Doylestown Chippewa 0

    I was around at this time and don't remember either of these games. I blame Miyagi and his penchant for convincing me to get plastered every football friday for decades.
    Ah. I stand corrected.

    The more you know ...
  • Jmar25
    thePITman;1222391 wrote:

    I helped contribute to Waynedale's scoring.
    Quite a few people had a role in that as well...
    It could have been a lot worse too. Seder yanked the starters after the first series in the 2nd half in 7 games. Triway, Dalton, and Smithville were the only games where they played past that point.
  • Jmar25
    Bobcat;1221423 wrote:I'll explain my prediction Red Rum. I think that a lot of the scoring success that Norwayne is enjoying is because of the system.
    HA HA HA HA! Worst "concept" I've ever seen. Maybe not worst but most overused expression might be more accurate. With the exception of Wing T and Air Force/Citadel Triple Option. (ball control) , this is true of any "system". All offenses are designed to score points. I don't know a play that isn't designed to score if executed. (wedges/sneaks might be the exception but I've seen those go for some yards occasionally)

    I highly doubt that Norwayne has this special "system" that scores more points than any other. They had superior athletes that could score at any moment. (Much like Waynedale's SUPER SPECIAL I-Formation scheme of 2003.) The only argument that a "system" is appropriate for is when a QB throws an ungodly amount of yards/tds/ints (Houston...Hawaii..Kenton anyone???) or a back has a gazillion yards (Triple option/Wing T...)
  • O-Trap
    Jmar25;1223055 wrote:Quite a few people had a role in that as well...
    It could have been a lot worse too. Seder yanked the starters after the first series in the 2nd half in 7 games. Triway, Dalton, and Smithville were the only games where they played past that point.
    Dalton? Didn't they smoke Dalton that year?

    I ask because my memory is obviously not crystal clear, given my mistaken notion that Chippewa was one-and-done in the playoffs in 1999.
  • Bobcat
    I guess maybe Jmar is right. The spread doesnt make it possible to score quicker then running the ball between the tackles. Norwayne "had" the athletes that could score at any moment but now that's over. I apolgize.

    By the way Norwayne outscored Kenton last year (for the year) even though Kenton had that special "system".
  • thePITman
    O-Trap;1223277 wrote:Dalton? Didn't they smoke Dalton that year?
    Yes. 43-0
  • 1486wd
    Bobcat. I think he is saying that a system can help, but the players are more important. Think of some of those high scoring bear, smithie, bulldog teams in the 90s and 2000s. They were running option and wing t! Systems may help a little in scoring, but the players do the work. By the way I think norwayne is the hands on favorite and will be very explosive but you take Peyton manning away from the colts and they aren't nearly as good even with all the same receivers, backs, etc. You have to understand why people may think it's a little crazy to say the cats will score more without arguably their best player.