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The (Poor) Officiating Thread

  • NWIndianNation01
    bigkahuna;899647 wrote:I just wanted to make sure because what side of the W/L you fall on depends on your opinion.

    Giving the score, I'll change my mind and say that you might have a valid point.
    Thank you.
  • ernest_t_bass
    NWIndianNation01;899597 wrote:All I did was post the opinion of myself and the people around me.
    Apparently you missed the premise of this thread. I didn't want it to be butt-hurt fans who think they saw the game better than the stripes. I want to hear legitimate complaints of the rules being broken (like the helmet rule).
  • NWIndianNation01
    ernest_t_bass;899730 wrote:Apparently you missed the premise of this thread. I didn't want it to be butt-hurt fans who think they saw the game better than the stripes. I want to hear legitimate complaints of the rules being broken (like the helmet rule).
    Oh well...they were still terrible!
  • wallyk
    jbostelman;893163 wrote:While as a fellow official of both softball and football, I must agree that missing the call on the helmetless player is a pretty major error. But again as an official I will admit, it happens. We may turn our head for a split second or focus on something else that takes our attention from a key play such as this. It happens !! Its just like being a parent, sometimes your kids really do slip one by us that we don't catch. In both situations we need to take that information and use it to make us better. The great part is, the player was not hurt.

    For those of you that are spectators, please know that 99.9% of the oficials I work with, do it for the love of the sport. For the much abuse that we take during a game, the paycheck at the end of the day is pretty small for the amount of time we spend in travel and at each event. So for you the fan, that likes to heckel, yell and belittle these officials, (regardless of the sport), please think first before you open your mouth. Think about the example that you are setting for your children and others around you. Imagine if your boss at work spoke to you they way some spectators do to officials. This also applies to coaches. To often coaches are in the line of fire from parents and spectators. Thank you to all the coaches that have coached my children. It to can be a thankless position.

    This last weekend I officiated a game and was very dissapointed in the conduct of 1 fan. Sir, just because you are the only one yelling, doesn't mean you are right. Sitting 80 yards away doesn't give you a better view than us on the field from 10 yards away. And while I think what you said was somewhat comical, you should learn the rules of the game first and maybe volunteer your expertise and join us on the field to help officiate. We would love to have you.
    BLAH BLAH BLAH, It's hard to be us, BLAH BLAH BLAH come out and help. Same old song anytime officials are caught not getting it right. The fact that you are paid makes you a "professional". You are paid to get it right, so get it right. If you missed it from 10 yards away, the problem is yours and the fans are allowed to not like it. Use your "expertise" we would love to see a little more of it.
  • ernest_t_bass
    wallyk;901014 wrote:BLAH BLAH BLAH, It's hard to be us, BLAH BLAH BLAH come out and help. Same old song anytime officials are caught not getting it right. The fact that you are paid makes you a "professional". You are paid to get it right, so get it right. If you missed it from 10 yards away, the problem is yours and the fans are allowed to not like it. Use your "expertise" we would love to see a little more of it.
    I too am an official, and I don't like this argument. I often hear, "We aren't paid enough to put up with your crap." Then DON'T TAKE THE GAME! I love what I do, and I know that I am not always right. I would like to see many people from the stands give it a shot (for the eye opener), but I will never make excuses for myself sucking.
  • Sonofanump
    NWIndianNation01;899622 wrote:Sorry I must have been dreaming when I saw Padua take full out swings at our guys right in front of the refs.

    You are right... our refs were amazing...greatest ever...didn't blow a single call.
    I never said your game officials were amazing. I would just like to see a film where the "whole" game they were creating pass interference and jumping, blocks in the back (do you know when it is legal and not?) every other play and swing at players. I would really like to see this game on film to see how credible you are.
    Did they miss calls, I am sure they did, they are high school officials who are paid probably $60 for 5 hours of work not including travelling time and expense. They are in fact the only persons at the game who have to pass a test to be there. I don’t care how bad they are, I know that they would do a better job than you would.
  • Con_Alma
    Sonofanump;901323 wrote:... They are in fact the only persons at the game who have to pass a test to be there. ...
    That's not true. Every Coach is required by the OHSAA to have and maintain a pupil supervisory permit. In order to be certified you must pass a test From the NFHSAA
  • Sonofanump
    Con_Alma;901325 wrote:That's not true. Every Coach is required by the OHSAA to have and maintain a pupil supervisory permit. In order to be certified you must pass a test From the NFHSAA
    A rules test on the game at hand?
  • Con_Alma
    Sonofanump;901345 wrote:A rules test on the game at hand?
    The statement of yours that I disputed did not stipulate nor did you imply that the only persons required to take a over the rules of the game were the officials. If you don't know what the NFHSAA test covers you clearly don't know that the Coaches are required to take a test to gain their certification.

    That's my point. You're making comments in defense of officials that are simply in accurate. There are others in the stadium that are required to take a test to be there in the capacity they are functioning.
  • Sonofanump
    Con_Alma;901353 wrote:The statement of yours that I disputed did not stipulate nor did you imply that the only persons required to take a over the rules of the game were the officials. If you don't know what the NFHSAA test covers you clearly don't know that the Coaches are required to take a test to gain their certification.

    That's my point. You're making comments in defense of officials that are simply in accurate. There are others in the stadium that are required to take a test to be there in the capacity they are functioning.
    That is very interesting and different than I have been informed of by high school coaches in Ohio that I know. They informed me that they just need to attend the state meeting and take no test. Odd that they would take a NFHS test when all officials in Ohio (all sports) take a OHSAA test and do not take a NFHS test.
  • Con_Alma
    You may find it odd but it's what's required.

    This is required by the OHSAA for all high school coaches.

    Pupil Activity/Coaching Permit
    A program that involves athletics, routine or regular physical activity, or health and safety considerations, as determined by the local board of education, and is supervised, directed or coached by a certified or non-certified school employee

    "ODE outlines new Senate Bill 2 requirements for coaches, directors, supervisors

    Under the provisions of Senate Bill 2, effective June 9, 2004, the State Board will now issue a permit, instead of a validation, to direct, supervise or coach a pupil activity program. All non-licensed individuals and licensed individuals that direct, supervise or coach a physical activity program that involves athletics, routine/regular physical activity or health and safety considerations must hold this permit. The permit is valid for three years and is renewable.
    By changing the character of the validation to a permit, the legislature afforded the State Board the authority to address two important concerns. First, the bill allows a school district to employ a nonlicensed individual only if they have been granted a permit issued by the State Board. Second, the bill provides that the State Board or the Superintendent of Public Instruction, on behalf of the Board, may investigate the background of any applicant (licensed or nonlicensed) for the pupil activity program permit, in the same manner as an investigation of applicants for educator licenses and permits. This change means that for every new Pupil Activity Supervisor Permit applicant, a BCI/FBI background check must be submitted along with the application, fee and evidence of completion of successful completion of an approved first-aid program...."


    Pupil Activity Permit Requirements

    The Pupil Activity Permit is required for a pupil activity program that involves athletics, routine or regular physical activity or activities with health and safety considerations.
    Requirements for a Pupil Activity Permit
    Completion of one of the following first aid/sports injury prevention trainings:
    The 6 hour fundamentals of coaching course is online at the NFHS site. When completed a certificate of completion must accompany the Pupil Activity Permit application or renewal request. The course has multiple online tests which must be passed for each respective section.

    Either the High School coaches that you know in Ohio are not properly certified as required by the OHSAA or they have misinformed you.

    On another note, any school having coaches active with high school sports during a scheduled contest and not being certified can be fined by the OHSAA $250 per occurrence per coach.
  • Sonofanump
    Yes, I had to complete the first aid/ injury prevention program when I coached at the high school level.

    I did not see where a test regarding the rules of the game was in your post.
  • Con_Alma
    Sonofanump;902062 wrote:Yes, I had to complete the first aid/ injury prevention program when I coached at the high school level.

    I did not see where a test regarding the rules of the game was in your post.
    That's because I have never stated there is a test regarding the rules of the game. Am I not being clear.??

    You stated officials are the only people in the stadium required to take a test.

    That's not true.

    Part of the Pupil activity permit that's now required involves a certificate on the fundamentals of coaching from the NFHS. That course has several tests for each respective section that must be passed.
  • Con_Alma
    Sonofanump;902062 wrote:Yes, I had to complete the first aid/ injury prevention program when I coached at the high school level.

    I did not see where a test regarding the rules of the game was in your post.
    That's because I have never stated there is a test regarding the rules of the game. Am I not being clear.??

    You stated officials are the only people in the stadium required to take a test.

    That's not true.

    Part of the Pupil activity permit that's now required involves a certificate on the fundamentals of coaching from the NFHS. That course has several tests for each respective section that must be passed.
  • Con_Alma
    Try this site for further clarification.

    http://education.ohio.gov/GD/Templates/Pages/ODE/ODEDetail.aspx?Page=3&TopicRelationID=1328&Content=103612

    Additional Coaching Requirements to coach in the State of Ohio – verified by the hiring authority

  • Sonofanump
    Wow. Are you the king of semantics? I accidently did not include the word "rules" when stating about the test obviously about the game being played. I'll make another post to make it clear.
  • Sonofanump
    Game officials are in fact the only persons at the game who have to pass a test about the rules to be there.
  • Con_Alma
    Sonofanump;902113 wrote:Game officials are in fact the only persons at the game who have to pass a test about the rules to be there.
    I agree.That wasn't the statement I disputed.
  • Abe Vigoda
    Sonofanump;902113 wrote:Game officials are in fact the only persons at the game who have to pass a test about the rules to be there.
    And receive training on how to ENFORCE the rules every year.
  • noquarter
    OK off topic. Is the line judge supposed to spot the ball on one of his feet?? Which one??
  • Sonofanump
    noquarter;904635 wrote:OK off topic. Is the line judge supposed to spot the ball on one of his feet?? Which one??
    Downfield foot (direction offense is going), but what is most important is that the umpire knows this so he can place the ball at the correct spot.