Is it time for private schools to have theyre own playoffs in football

• rmolin73

  

  Sherm03 subtract 2010 I believe due to the counts only factoring the regional games and up. You also have to factor that there will be a lot of moves so after the calculations they will still have to do the divisional alignments.
• sherm03

  

  rmolin73;647365 wrote:Sherm03 subtract 2010 I believe due to the counts only factoring the regional games and up. You also have to factor that there will be a lot of moves so after the calculations they will still have to do the divisional alignments.

  
  You're right. I misread the proposal where it says "appearances in state tournament" to mean appearances in the playoffs. So then...
  
  Boundary:
  254 x 10% = +25
  Free Lunch:
  94 x 10% = -9
  Tradition:
  2007 - 254 x 10% = +25
  2008 - 254 x 6% = +15
  2009 - 254 x 10% = +25
  Total = +65
  
  254 + 25 + 65 - 9 = 335
  
  Staying in Division 3 (using the current alignment numbers of divisions).
  
  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
• sherm03

  

  rmolin73;647365 wrote:Sherm03 subtract 2010 I believe due to the counts only factoring the regional games and up. You also have to factor that there will be a lot of moves so after the calculations they will still have to do the divisional alignments.

  
  I see. I misread the "appearances in the state tournament" to mean playoff appearances. But 2010 would still count as Mooney was in the regional final game against Buchtel. But the numbers should be adjusted, and 2008 would not count as Mooney lost to Steubenville before the regional final game that year. So Mooney's numbers would look like this, then:
  
  Boundary:
  254 x 10% = +25
  Free Lunch:
  94 x 10% = -9
  Tradition:
  2007 - 254 x 10% = +25
  2009 - 254 x 10% = +25
  2010 - 254 x 6% = +15
  Total = +65
  
  Final Count:
  254 + 25 + 65 - 9 = 335
  
  Still in Division 3 (using the current division alignment)!
  
  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
  
  All that means though is that the OHSAA will change the division structure so that Mooney falls into D2, anyways.
  
  Embracing that change though!
• aged jock

  Because public schools like Anderson get screwed in this formula, which obviously wasn't the intent, I have a better proposal. Let's just allow all public schools to play with one extra player in the game at all times. In football, the public school gets to play with 12 and the Catholic school only gets 11. In basketball, public gets 6, Catholic gets 5. In baseball, public gets 10, Catholic gets 9. That would "level the playing field" in some peoples' minds, wouldn't it? It's a lot more sensical than this mess.
  
  Some can't compete so they change the rules. Pure and simple. Especially the "tradition" part of the formula.
  
  It's OK, though. My Alter Knights will compete no matter where you put them. Because they're focused on being the best they can be.
  
  Alter doesn't formally have a district, because years ago CJ didn't have a district and were poaching in Alter's and Carroll's districts. So they took off the districts, because Alter and Carroll weren't taking public school kids away from them (still aren't), and wanted to compete for students in CJ's area.
  
  As a practical matter, though, Alter doesn't have any students outside of Montgomery, Greene and Warren counties. So that's Alter's district. Does that count? What if a private school has a district that overlaps with another private school's district? We certainly have that situation in the Dayton area. Maybe we just define our districts that way. CJ gets Montgomery, Darke, Greene and Miami counties. Carroll gets Montgomery and Greene. Alter gets Montgomery, Greene and Warren. Works for me!
• aged jock

  Oh, and I forgot. Fenwick gets Montgomery, Warren, Butler and Preble counties.
  Believe it or not, those are the Catholic schools in the area, charging thousands per year for each student, including athletes, to attend. Four schools for all of Warren, Montgomery, Preble, Darke, Miami and Greene counties. There must be at least 40 public schools in that area, all giving full scholarships to every student. Good thing we had to level the playing field.
• omemorialhigh

  at least mooney wont drop down to d4 which is a real possibility this upcoming year...they may stay in d3 for now, but you are not considering how this will affect all the other schools. and on to another point made about dsj about them and ursuline beating up on d5...thats assuming ursuline would stay in d5 which is probably not going to happen.
• sherm03

  

  omemorialhigh;647468 wrote:at least mooney wont drop down to d4 which is a real possibility this upcoming year...they may stay in d3 for now, but you are not considering how this will affect all the other schools. and on to another point made about dsj about them and ursuline beating up on d5...thats assuming ursuline would stay in d5 which is probably not going to happen.

  
  You're right. It's good that Mooney won't be in D4 next year. Because with this...Ursuline will be in D4 (which is what fish82 was alluding to when he said a lot of math to watch Ursuline and DSJ beat the shit out of the next higher divisions).
  
  And you're right, I'm interested how it will affect other schools. Anyone have the enrollment numbers for Coldwater, St. Henry, and Versailles?
• sherm03

  

  Nevermind...I found Coldwater's. I'm pretty sure that Versailles would stay the same since they haven't made a lot of noise recently in the playoffs and that's the part that really screws schools over. And St. Henry would probably stay the same as well.
  
  But for Coldwater...
  
  OE Multiplier:
  161 x 6% = +10
  Free Lunch Divider:
  151 x 10% = -15
  Tradition Multiplier:
  2007: 161 x 10% = +16
  2008: 161 x 6% = +10
  2009: 161 x 10% = +16
  2010: 161 x 10% = +16
  
  Total Count:
  161 + 10 + 58 - 15 = 214
  This is using the 151 number for free lunches from the link provided earlier. I'm pretty sure that's for the whole district and not just the high school. But I'm using it anyways.
  So Coldwater goes from D5 up to D4. Good luck Coldwater!
• omemorialhigh

  sherm can you do campbells numbers? you seem to know where to get all the pertinent information...
• sherm03

  

  omemorialhigh;647578 wrote:sherm can you do campbells numbers? you seem to know where to get all the pertinent information...

  
  Sure thing.
  
  Campbell Boys Numbers:
  No open enrollment, so:
  217 x 0% = +0
  Free Lunch:
  300 x 10% = -30
  Tradition Factor:
  No regional final appearances in 2007, 2008, 2009, or 2010...so:
  217 x 0% = +0
  
  217 - 30 = 187
  Campbell stays in D4.
  
  I do think it's weird that they are using the total number of free lunches. This isn't the first time that the total number of free lunches was higher than the number of boys. Unless I'm misreading something, it's an odd idea.
  
  So basically, the girls in the school that are on the free lunch affect the position of the school in football? Seems odd to me.
• jake1971

  I think Clint Eastwood said it best in Heartbreak Ridge, and I quote, "Its a cluster **** sir".
• Con_Alma

  Why is the no border open enrollment multiplier for public schools 6% while the no boundaries multiplier for private schools 10%?? Souldn't they be they same thing? Aren't they the same thing??
• 5knots

  

  I was told that a school can only move 1 division maximum. Personally I would like to try it out. It definitely has to help the V and VI schools and the majority of those are small town schools. How fun for those communities to have a better chance to at least play another small town school. It is good for the little guys. The rest of the divisions it will mix things up a bit which should be fun if nothing else. And yes.....it will be a little tougher for Ursuline even if they only go to DIV. I remember a juggernaut UHS team that ran into little old Orrville some years back...in DIV. UHS and DSJ will still be great teams but you cannot argue the competition will be a tad more balanced.
• Viking

  Sherm, did you stay warm last night by embracing the change?!?
  
  This proposal will pass. It is a step in the right direction.
• sherm03

  

  Finally found a school that drops a division! No wonder why Viking is all about this proposal!
  
  Akron North
  OE Factor:
  365 x 6% = +22
  Free Lunch Factor:
  556 x 10% = -56
  Tradition Factor:
  None
  
  365 + 22 - 56 = 331
  
  Welcome to Division 3 Akron North! If you are lucky enough to make it to the playoffs, you'll get to meet up with powerhouse Mooney and 2-time D4 runner-up Chagrin Falls. But you don't have to worry about that because you will probably still go 0-10 and not have to see these teams!
• Viking

  It looks like all APS schools including Buchtel will drop a division in football and basketball.
• sherm03

  

  Viking;647923 wrote:It looks like all APS schools including Buchtel will drop a division in football and basketball.

  
  Wrong.
  
  Buchtel:
  305 x 6% = +18
  548 x 10% = -54
  2010: 305 x 10% = +31
  
  305 + 18 + 31 - 54 = 300
  
  Buchtel stays in D3.
• omemorialhigh

  i was wondering the same thing sherm...i didnt know if it was the total number of free lunches or just the boys that receive free lunch. what is the cutoff for d5 as of the last alignment...just curious. campbell will eventually be d5, their numbers are dwindling daily, its not a matter of if but when.
• omemorialhigh

  i just noticed your number for free lunches is 300 for campbell...this doesnt seem accurate to me. that may be free and reduced lunches...but i thought the formula only took free lunches. i could be wrong.
• sherm03

  

  Steubenville:
  270 x 6% = +16
  317 x 10% = -32
  2007: 270 x 6% = +16
  2008: 270 x 10% = +27
  2009: 270 x 8% = +22
  
  270 + 16 + 65 - 32 = 319
  
  Steubenville stays in D3, too. Mooney, Steubenville, Buchtel, Chagrin Falls...D3 would be absolutely ridiculous!!
• sherm03

  

  omemorialhigh;647970 wrote:i just noticed your number for free lunches is 300 for campbell...this doesnt seem accurate to me. that may be free and reduced lunches...but i thought the formula only took free lunches. i could be wrong.

  
  According to this site: [url]ftp://ftp.ode.state.oh.us/MR81/MR81_October_2009/MR81_October_2009-rev.txt[/url]
  
  Their free lunch count is 300 and the reduced lunch count is 37. But the numbers for free lunch are from 2009. The October 2010 numbers haven't been released.
• sherm03

  

  Maple Heights:
  487 x 0% = +0
  617 x 10% = -62
  2009: 487 x 10% = +49
  2010: 487 x 10% = +49
  
  487 + 98 - 62 = 523
  
  I'm sure Maple Heights is going to be voting this down because I'm sure this D2 powerhouse doesn't want to get pushed up into D1.
• omemorialhigh

  i gotya sherm...i trust your numbers. what are the cutoffs for d5?
• sherm03

  

  D5 is 125-176.
• Viking

  The cut off numbers might change. Also, open enrollment numbers won't act as a multiplier if the school loses more kids than they pick up. I'm pretty sure that Buchtel oses more kids than they gain.
  
  High school administrators are voting, not coaches. This proposal is far from perfect, but it is a beginning. it will pass. I'll bet a MVR dinner on it.