Week 3 Browns @ Colts

• BR1986FB

  like_that;1873453 wrote:Their QB ratings do make me o_O sometimes, but that’s because TDs/INT ratio, moving the chains, and leading teams to wins are more important to us when it comes to QBs. They are graded on every play, and none of us are truly going to give a fuck about that one good play the QB made, because he threw the ball out of bounds. Coming up with a rating system for the QB position isn’t easy and will always be criticized (I.e qb rating and qbr). There are a lot of variables that play into what we all could consider a good performance for a QB.
  
  I can understand the criticism for their QB ratings, but if that is your entire argument against PFF, it is weak at best. It’s a very good tool for grading every other position. They watch every play and they have a lot of football guys (the British guy isn’t the only guy grading them) grading out the plays. They average out everyone’s grades, so it’s not like they have one guy per team grading out the games. This is the same grading system that many NFL, college, and even high school teams to a lower extent use. The teams that don’t use the same grading system, use something very similar.
  
  Come on BR, you played football. Your coaches didn’t grade you out every week? There were plenty of times where I thought I had good games (made some good/important plays) and then I would come in for film session to get my ass chewed out with my average grade.

  I get it. O-Line is much easier to grade out than many positions, so I don't doubt that they'd have him high. They were way off last year when the guy from England had their O-Line as "top 3 in the league."
  
  You're right about their QB rating though. We'll likely agree to disagree but they're absolutely horrible.
  
  As far as getting my ass chewed out for how I graded out in HS? Wouldn't know much about that because I still hold the highest blocking efficiency rating in the history of the school.
• Laley23

  

  Those guys watch every snap, from the All-22 camera, and the watch every snap upwards of 10 times. They literally grade out what every position for what the play call was designed to do.
  
  Lots of coaches have called them out similar to you, then go to the facility and watch them grade a game and are blown away by their knowledge and ability. 31/32 teams employ them I believe, and that's because those coaches have gone in and watched and come away extremely impressed. If it's good enough for almost all the teams/coaches in the NFL, I'm pretty sure I'm taking their grading system to heart.
• like_that

  

  Laley23;1873466 wrote:Those guys watch every snap, from the All-22 camera, and the watch every snap upwards of 10 times. They literally grade out what every position for what the play call was designed to do.
  
  Lots of coaches have called them out similar to you, then go to the facility and watch them grade a game and are blown away by their knowledge and ability. 31/32 teams employ them I believe, and that's because those coaches have gone in and watched and come away extremely impressed. If it's good enough for almost all the teams/coaches in the NFL, I'm pretty sure I'm taking their grading system to heart.

  That's legit. I remember a couple years ago it was about 20/32 teams, so obviously the rest of the league has caught on.
  
  Also, not sure if it is NBC or ESPN, but when they do the player introductions, they now display their PFF grade.
• Laley23

  

  like_that;1873472 wrote:That's legit. I remember a couple years ago it was about 20/32 teams, so obviously the rest of the league has caught on.
  
  Also, not sure if it is NBC or ESPN, but when they do the player introductions, they now display their PFF grade.

  It's NBC, but that's also cause Collinsworth is a major investor (maybe majority??). That doesn't take away from its effectiveness though. In fact, it's a reason a few teams have gone to their rankings. They called him out in their meetings for SNF, he invited them to check out the operation, they hired PFF upon leaving lol.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  GOONx19;1873438 wrote:Who was the poster that loved the Heat and thought the eyeball test was the most important stat in basketball?

  rob_j or something like that. He once threatened to punch me in the mouth for disagreeing with and making a joke about LBJ's penis being in his mouth. LOL
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Pretty much the only argument against PFF is "I don't like it!". Tired and stupid debate.
• kizer permanente

  Commander of Awesome;1873496 wrote:Pretty much the only argument against PFF is "I don't like it!". Tired and stupid debate.

  Well, I mean, I think the biggest argument, and its true for any analysis, is that it's subjective. And qualifications vary for who's doing the analysis. That's why there's often a disparity from group to group. That's why it's tough to just trust any one rankings, PFF included. You don't know who is doing the rankings and everyone sees things differently.
• Heretic

  

  Laley23;1873466 wrote:Those guys watch every snap, from the All-22 camera, and the watch every snap upwards of 10 times. They literally grade out what every position for what the play call was designed to do.
  
  Lots of coaches have called them out similar to you, then go to the facility and watch them grade a game and are blown away by their knowledge and ability. 31/32 teams employ them I believe, and that's because those coaches have gone in and watched and come away extremely impressed. If it's good enough for almost all the teams/coaches in the NFL, I'm pretty sure I'm taking their grading system to heart.

  I'm guessing the one that doesn't is the Bengals because "employ" tends to mean spending money, but I'm too lazy to look it up.
• salto

  

  Browns win (at least) one of the next three games.
• salto

  

  Browns win (at least) one of the next three games.