2017 NFL Chatter

• Ironman92

  

  BR1986FB;1883722 wrote:Welcome to Jacksonville, Eli !

  Maybe....but don’t see him as much help at this point. OBJ not in Jacksonville
• SportsAndLady

  

  BR1986FB;1883722 wrote:Welcome to Jacksonville, Eli !

  Or Cleveland *puts gun to head*
• like_that

  

  SportsAndLady;1883734 wrote:Or Cleveland *puts gun to head*

  If we hire Manning I could easily see this happening. It would more so be a sit the rookie behind him and have Eli mentor him situation though.
• BR1986FB

  Ironman92;1883726 wrote:OBJ not in Jacksonville

  But Blake Bortles and Tom Coughlin are.
• Ironman92

  

  BR1986FB;1883740 wrote:But Blake Bortles and Tom Coughlin are.

  I don’t see what Coughlin can help. Eli isn’t very good anymore. I think the Jags with Eli are virtually the same.
• Mulva

  

  Ironman92;1883744 wrote:I don’t see what Coughlin can help. Eli isn’t very good anymore. I think the Jags with Eli are virtually the same.

  Eli has never been very good.
• Ironman92

  

  Mulva;1883757 wrote:Eli has never been very good.

  I agree but he used to be a bit better. I would take Flacco over Eli
• BR1986FB

  Ironman92;1883744 wrote:I don’t see what Coughlin can help. Eli isn’t very good anymore. I think the Jags with Eli are virtually the same.

  Bortles = 12 TD's, 8 INT's, 2200+ yards with a strong running game and a lockdown defense
  
  Manning = 14 TD's, 7 INT's, 2400+ yards with a "so so" running game, a dog shit defense, a mega shitty O-Line and lost his top 3-4 receivers.
  
  Manning isn't the problem in NY. Is he what he once was? No, but I bet JAX would be much happier if he were their guy over Bortles.
  
  EDIT: And since you mentioned Flacco....9 TD's, 11 INT's and 1800+ yards
• iclfan2

  

  Ironman92;1883767 wrote:I agree but he used to be a bit better. I would take Flacco over Eli

  Would take Eli. Starting Geno is a joke
  
  
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• Ironman92

  

  Not buying. Eli isn’t leading anyone anywhere deep into playoffs.
• thavoice

  Thought the Steelers were over the hump but that defense won't get it done. Bengals trip them up monday
• Heretic

  

  The only advantage Flacco has over Eli is that he's a bit younger. Other than that, he's basically an inferior version of him (can be great, can be mistake-prone, has habit of transforming into a super-clutch guy in the postseason). And so far this year, he's put up numbers that make Eli look like Pro Bowl material in comparison.
• BR1986FB

  Heretic;1883898 wrote:The only advantage Flacco has over Eli is that he's a bit younger. Other than that, he's basically an inferior version of him (can be great, can be mistake-prone, has habit of transforming into a super-clutch guy in the postseason). And so far this year, he's put up numbers that make Eli look like Pro Bowl material in comparison.

  Exactly.
  
  The reason I mentioned Eli to JAX is the connection to Coughlin and they are ready to win now. Plug in a QB that's better than a game manager ((Eli is but he's far from elite) and they can contend in the AFC. Putting him in that situation would be similar to the two years he won titles (strong run game, smothering defense). Just need him to make some plays. Do I think the Jags win a title with him? Unlikely, but he'd get them closer than Bortles.
• Ironman92

  

  BR1986FB;1883902 wrote:Exactly.
  
  The reason I mentioned Eli to JAX is the connection to Coughlin and they are ready to win now. Plug in a QB that's better than a game manager ((Eli is but he's far from elite) and they can contend in the AFC. Putting him in that situation would be similar to the two years he won titles (strong run game, smothering defense). Just need him to make some plays. Do I think the Jags win a title with him? Unlikely, but he'd get them closer than Bortles.

  If Eli greatly improved the completion% on their plays or turnovers that Bortles makes he could.
  
  Right now in their careers I just have Flacco and Manning very very close in the back middle portion of the QB rankings.
  
  Coughlin is the biggest part of Eli being a good improvement over Bortles to help them win
• BR1986FB

  Ironman92;1883951 wrote:If Eli greatly improved the completion% on their plays or turnovers that Bortles makes he could.
  
  Right now in their careers I just have Flacco and Manning very very close in the back middle portion of the QB rankings.
  
  Coughlin is the biggest part of Eli being a good improvement over Bortles to help them win

  Eli Manning is a 'dependent" QB. The people around him (O-Line, WR's, running game) have to be good in order for him to function at a high level. His skills haven't diminished. He can still function at a high level but needs parts around him to be just "so." I know JAX has a pretty solid O-Line and running game. Not overly familiar with their WR situation but that could be remedied in the offseason. Manning isn't like a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady where he can win without the perfect O-Line, etc but he's still a very solid (not elite) QB when he has these pieces.
• Ironman92

  

  BR1986FB;1883983 wrote:Eli Manning is a 'dependent" QB. The people around him (O-Line, WR's, running game) have to be good in order for him to function at a high level. His skills haven't diminished. He can still function at a high level but needs parts around him to be just "so." I know JAX has a pretty solid O-Line and running game. Not overly familiar with their WR situation but that could be remedied in the offseason. Manning isn't like a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady where he can win without the perfect O-Line, etc but he's still a very solid (not elite) QB when he has these pieces.

  Sadly I’ve seen about 5 of the Jags games. Their receivers are not any better than the Giants back ups being used. Bortles is not good at hitting tough passes and below average at completing the ones we expect NFL guys to make. What he does add is that he’s a decently productive guy on the move. He has 250 some yards, couple TD and I believe 16 first downs running the ball on set or scrambling plays.
  
  How good they are and the Coughlin factor make Eli an obvious choice for deep playoff hope....I don’t believe it will work out
• Ironman92

  

  Skins at Boys tonight....loser completely done with playoff hopes. If Skins don’t make playoffs I don’t think they sign Cousins and I think they kinda hope they don’t have to sign him to the huge money.
• BR1986FB

  Minnesota is going to have an interesting decision to make at the end of this season. I believe Bradford, Keenum & Bridgewater will all be free agents. Which one do you sign (if any)? Bradford's a china doll. Keenum has been a journeyman, who is having a solid season and Bridgewater is coming back from what was thought could've been a career ending injury.
• thavoice

  May have an extra BengAls Steelers ticket Monday. ..any takers?
  
  
  
  Manny will letBradford go. Unless keenum delivers a long playoff run he is done. Depends what they really think of bridge water and his health.......
• BR1986FB

  Denver could be a nice spot for Eli too.
• BR1986FB

  thavoice;1884033 wrote:
  Unless keenum delivers a long playoff run he is done.

  Someone will probably roll the dice on him in the offseason to be their starter.
• SportsAndLady

  

  There really isn’t a nice spot for Eli because he’s awful. He’s been awful for 3 years he just has been able to cover that up with OBJ doing his thing.
• BR1986FB

  SportsAndLady;1884057 wrote:There really isn’t a nice spot for Eli because he’s awful. He’s been awful for 3 years he just has been able to cover that up with OBJ doing his thing.

  Ross Tucker (Sirius XM) had Greg Cosell on this morning discussing Eli and Cosell said that a lot of Eli's issue lately have been due to their crappy O-Line and no running game. Cosell said Manning is "anticipating" sacks when sometimes they are coming, some times not, and it's affected him over the past few years.
• superman

  BR1986FB;1884060 wrote:Ross Tucker (Sirius XM) had Greg Cosell on this morning discussing Eli and Cosell said that a lot of Eli's issue lately have been due to their crappy O-Line and no running game. Cosell said Manning is "anticipating" sacks when sometimes they are coming, some times not, and it's affected him over the past few years.

  Here in Cincinnati, we call that Andy Dalton syndrome. Tbe best cure is to schedule 2 games against the Browns.
• friendfromlowry

  Ironman92;1884005 wrote:Skins at Boys tonight....loser and winner completely done with playoff hopes. If Skins don’t make playoffs I don’t think they sign Cousins and I think they kinda hope they don’t have to sign him to the huge money.

  FIFY.