NBA Champion - Cleveland Cavaliers 2016-2017 Season Thread

• Benny The Jet

  

  sleeper;1828632 wrote:I mean Memphis is 17-9 and the team is pretty good. The issue isn't Memphis selling tickets; it's the fans who bought the tickets expecting their team to have a marque match up that are upset.

  That's the worst 17-9 team I've ever seen. Cavs housed them last night w/o KI. Even if they had Gasol, he's not making that big of difference. The other teams fans being upset that my team's best players are resting is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. No one forced them to buy those tickets.
• Ironman92

  

  sleeper;1828633 wrote:Not sure how that helps the Cavs..

  Reps lol
• Ironman92

  

  Benny The Jet;1828648 wrote:That's the worst 17-9 team I've ever seen. Cavs housed them last night w/o KI. Even if they had Gasol, he's not making that big of difference. The other teams fans being upset that my team's best players are resting is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. No one forced them to buy those tickets.

  That worst 17-9 team just dominated the Warriors though
• sleeper

  

  Benny The Jet;1828648 wrote:That's the worst 17-9 team I've ever seen. Cavs housed them last night w/o KI. Even if they had Gasol, he's not making that big of difference. The other teams fans being upset that my team's best players are resting is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. No one forced them to buy those tickets.

  That really differs from your initial point. Memphis isn't having problems selling tickets because they have a good team; which counters entirely your first point.
  
  Then you pivoted to "No one forced them to buy those tickets" when the real issue was addressed but the reality is the fans bought those tickets with an expectation that the match up would be worth $XX because the trio vs. Memphis would be a good game. Now it's absolutely dog shit.
• Benny The Jet

  

  sleeper;1828669 wrote:That really differs from your initial point. Memphis isn't having problems selling tickets because they have a good team; which counters entirely your first point.
  
  Then you pivoted to "No one forced them to buy those tickets" when the real issue was addressed but the reality is the fans bought those tickets with an expectation that the match up would be worth $XX because the trio vs. Memphis would be a good game. Now it's absolutely dog shit.

  I guess I don't understand why people would complain about them not playing, and people buying the tickets for the game. The point of these teams is not to sell tickets, it's to win a championship, right? So if 3 guys need a rest, give them a rest. The away team shouldn't have to be ridiculed for the home team's fans buying tickets on their own. They should be pumped that their team is more likely to get a W.
• iclfan2

  

  Anyone see the article about Darius Miles being so bankrupt they auctioned off all of his stuff to pay creditors? Supposedly earned $65M over his career (so I guess about $40M after tax). Absurd.
  
  
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• Benny The Jet

  

  iclfan2;1828923 wrote:Anyone see the article about Darius Miles being so bankrupt they auctioned off all of his stuff to pay creditors? Supposedly earned $65M over his career (so I guess about $40M after tax). Absurd.
  
  
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  How much money could DMILES stuff be worth now a days honestly? Not much of a demand. Doubt that's fetching him much money.
• Sonofanump

  I think the big three should all rest between January 7th and January 17th.
• Ironman92

  

  Sonofanump;1828933 wrote:I think the big three should all rest between January 7th and January 17th.

  I'd prefer 5th thru the 15th
• Laley23

  

  How is he bankrupt with the residuals from The Perfect score and Van Wilder!?!?!?
• Classyposter58

  

  Sonofanump;1828933 wrote:I think the big three should all rest between January 7th and January 17th.

  They should be fined by the NBA. Skipping games in the regular season when you're completely healthy is so so bad for the fans and that's the entire point of the league. I understand when you've clinched a playoff berth late in the season, but in December?
  
  That's ***** stuff
• Ironman92

  

  Classyposter58;1828987 wrote:They should be fined by the NBA. Skipping games in the regular season when you're completely healthy is so so bad for the fans and that's the entire point of the league. I understand when you've clinched a playoff berth late in the season, but in December?
  
  That's ***** stuff

  It may somehow be addressed by NBA at some point but Popovich got this going and everyone does it. Cousins is 24? And sat out the game the other day for rest...Kings are 9-16
• like_that

  

  Classy acting like a fake tough guy always brings the lulz, especially when he is referring to professional athletes.
• Benny The Jet

  

  Media and fans better start losing their minds tonight with Russell sitting and resting the back end of a back-back. Plenty of Cavs fans paid good money to watch Russell play, demand a refund!!!! /sarcasm
• Sonofanump

  Classyposter58;1828987 wrote:They should be fined by the NBA. Skipping games in the regular season when you're completely healthy is so so bad for the fans and that's the entire point of the league. I understand when you've clinched a playoff berth late in the season, but in December?
  
  That's ***** stuff

  Derp, LBJ will have a sore back, Kyrie tight hamstring, Love a strained shoulder.
• Ironman92

  

  Big 3 great tonight
• Heretic

  

  like_that;1828996 wrote:Classy acting like a fake tough guy always brings the lulz, especially when he is referring to professional athletes.

  Look, if you played golf once with a cut on your hand, you obviously know more about playing hurt or banged up than elite-level pro athletes!
• Commander of Awesome

  

  More confirmation about what everyone knows. Kyrie's shot biggest in NBA history.
  
  Excerpt below:
  
  Well: http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-biggest-shot-in-nba-history-1482235610
  
  "Irving’s shot was statistically worth more than any other shot, according to the Journal’s analysis, in large part because of a surprising lack of competition. The majority of the most iconic NBA shots haven’t been Game 7 highlights. Ray Allen’s last-second 3-pointer forced overtime in Game 6 of the 2013 Finals. Michael Jordan’s last shot with the Chicago Bulls iced Game 6 of the 1998 Finals. Steve Kerr in 1997, John Paxson in 1993, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in 1974—all Game 6 highlights.
  
  Game 6 is obviously important. Game 7 is obviously more important. The difference in potential championship probability is staggering. A team that wins Game 6 after leading 3-2 already had an excellent chance of winning the title; a team that wins Game 6 after trailing 3-2 still has middling odds. But the math changes in Game 7. That’s when the win probability is the championship probability.
  
  The concept that championship probability could be computed from win probability was a breakthrough in the 2000s from a baseball researcher named Sky Andrecheck. It wasn’t long before others seized on his work and objectively ranked the clutchest Major League Baseball plays—the plays that most improved a team’s chances of winning the World Series. It also wasn’t long before Andrecheck was hired by a baseball team. He’s now the senior director of baseball research and development for the Cleveland Indians. They play across the street from the Cavaliers’ arena.
  
  But win probability in basketball is more of a curiosity than a competitive advantage. That’s why fans, not NBA front offices, have been responsible for its innovation—and why the estimates can still be crude. For this analysis, after consulting with professional and amateur quants, the Journal averaged two win-probability calculators, giving special weight to a formula by Mike Beuoy, an actuary who runs a statistical website called Inpredictable. The model approximates the odds of winning any NBA game given the time, point differential, team strength and which team has possession. The only problem is that NBA play-by-play is still primitive compared with MLB’s. For the older games without publicly available data, the Journal attempted to identify the most critical shots, then contextualized those plays through grainy YouTube clips and digitized newspaper archives.
  
  The analysis showed that Irving’s shot wasn’t especially notable by win probability alone. But championship probability is where it stood apart. To get championship probability from win probability is simple arithmetic: win probability multiplied by championship value. Dave Studeman, the former manager of the Hardball Times, an analytical baseball website, assigned a rough value to every game in the MLB playoffs, which the Journal applied to the NBA postseason. Game 7 in the conference finals, Game 5 in a tied Finals and Game 6 in the Finals are worth 50% of a title—and Game 7 is worth 100%.
  
  There haven’t been many Game 7s, though, and many of those Game 7s haven’t been close. The 2016 Finals were the exception. Cleveland’s win probability when Lue called timeout was a coin flip: 50.2%. It inched upward with every dribble and spiked when Irving shot. Cleveland’s likelihood of winning the game—and the NBA title—was suddenly 82.3%. That change in championship probability was, according to the Journal’s analysis, the largest swing the league has ever seen."
• Classyposter58

  

  Sonofanump;1829006 wrote:Derp, LBJ will have a sore back, Kyrie tight hamstring, Love a strained shoulder.

  Hell no they wouldn't, because then that'd be leverage against them in contract negotiations. Same reason those guys won't play half a game, because that would hurt their stats which could bite them in the butt at the negotiating table
• like_that

  

  Classyposter58;1829393 wrote:Hell no they wouldn't, because then that'd be leverage against them in contract negotiations. Same reason those guys won't play half a game, because that would hurt their stats which could bite them in the butt at the negotiating table

  Except they are literally doing it right now with Kevin Love and his "sore knee." Derp. Yeah Classy, the cavs (or any other team) are going to low ball Lebron over in contract negotiations, because the cavs decided to create a fake injury to give him rest. Think about how dumb this logic is. In a league where Mozgov received $64M stars like Love, Kyrie and Lebron are going to get fucked over in negotiations, because they are sitting out games....
  
  Keep bringing the lulz.
• Laley23

  

  What an unbelievable (or perfectly believable considering source) hot taek. I mean, my God.
• Automatik

  

  That one is up there with some of the best.
  
  
  NBA salaries are about be astrofuckingnomical.
• Sonofanump

  Classyposter58;1829393 wrote:Hell no they wouldn't, because then that'd be leverage against them in contract negotiations. Same reason those guys won't play half a game, because that would hurt their stats which could bite them in the butt at the negotiating table

  
• BRF

  

  On Classy's comment.......
  
  Face Palm.
• Ironman92

  

  LeBron just took the fuck over