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  • HitsRus
    sleeper;1794494 wrote:Everyone except Mel Kiper likes the Browns draft.

    I think it was a solid draft and its clear the Browns got their guys AND acquired quality draft picks in the future.

    In my opinion, no doubt the Eagles will be picking the top 10 next year(and so will the Browns) giving us two quality impact players for next year. I hope this is a 3-4 year plan.
    Kiper was right to pan the Browns draft...gave it a "C". The first part of it was gold....acquiring top talent and future high draft picks. The second part of it was a POS ... sacrificing quality for quantity. The trade down with the 75th (?)pick down to #93 to get an extra lower mid 4th round pick was a real head scratcher. The Browns took Kessler with #93. Had they resisted the urge to trade down again, they could have had Braxton Miller( a legitimate playmaker to go with Coleman) at 75....and then taken Kessler with their first pick in the 4th if he was so highly regarded. How much better the draft would have been if we had Miller versus the 2 "dime a dozen" extra WR we got as a result. More than likely, half those garbage round wideouts(or more) won't be on the opening roster.
  • like_that
    HitsRus;1794598 wrote:Kiper was right to pan the Browns draft...gave it a "C". The first part of it was gold....acquiring top talent and future high draft picks. The second part of it was a POS ... sacrificing quality for quantity. The trade down with the 75th (?)pick down to #93 to get an extra lower mid 4th round pick was a real head scratcher. The Browns took Kessler with #93. Had they resisted the urge to trade down again, they could have had Braxton Miller( a legitimate playmaker to go with Coleman) at 75....and then taken Kessler with their first pick in the 4th if he was so highly regarded. How much better the draft would have been if we had Miller versus the 2 "dime a dozen" extra WR we got as a result. More than likely, half those garbage round wideouts(or more) won't be on the opening roster.
    Who gives a fuck what Kiper thinks? He is a Baltimore community college grad. He has given the browns good grades before and how did that pan out?
  • Laley23
    Kiper and old school guys hated it. The top anaylitics site loved it and said best draft of the league.

    What that tells me, these guys had a plan, and nailed it. They got exactly who they wanted, and when. Now, we don't know if this style will work out, but that's irrelevant when judging the draft. They hit a home run for what they are trying to do and how they are judging talent. Now just have to hope the analytics approach is a good one.
  • Commander of Awesome
    like_that;1794602 wrote:Who gives a fuck what Kiper thinks. He is a Baltimore community college grad. He has given the browns good grades before and how did that pan out?
    I think Hit has a point. Taking Kessler, a career back up in the 3rd over guys like Miller or Billings seems like a mistake. The entire fourth round was pretty much shit IMO. Hope to be proven wrong.
  • wkfan
    HitsRus;1794598 wrote:Kiper was right to pan the Browns draft...gave it a "C". The first part of it was gold....acquiring top talent and future high draft picks. The second part of it was a POS ... sacrificing quality for quantity. The trade down with the 75th (?)pick down to #93 to get an extra lower mid 4th round pick was a real head scratcher. The Browns took Kessler with #93. Had they resisted the urge to trade down again, they could have had Braxton Miller( a legitimate playmaker to go with Coleman) at 75....and then taken Kessler with their first pick in the 4th if he was so highly regarded. How much better the draft would have been if we had Miller versus the 2 "dime a dozen" extra WR we got as a result. More than likely, half those garbage round wideouts(or more) won't be on the opening roster.
    Your premise relies on the theory that Braxton Miller will be a good NFL WR. Yes, he was a playmaker in college as a quarterback, but not last year as a WR.

    Doesn't mean that he won't turn out to be...but at this point saying that "How much better the draft would have been if we had Miller versus the 2 "dime a dozen" extra WR we got as a result" is a stretch, IMO.
  • sleeper
    HitsRus;1794598 wrote:Kiper was right to pan the Browns draft...gave it a "C". The first part of it was gold....acquiring top talent and future high draft picks. The second part of it was a POS ... sacrificing quality for quantity. The trade down with the 75th (?)pick down to #93 to get an extra lower mid 4th round pick was a real head scratcher. The Browns took Kessler with #93. Had they resisted the urge to trade down again, they could have had Braxton Miller( a legitimate playmaker to go with Coleman) at 75....and then taken Kessler with their first pick in the 4th if he was so highly regarded. How much better the draft would have been if we had Miller versus the 2 "dime a dozen" extra WR we got as a result. More than likely, half those garbage round wideouts(or more) won't be on the opening roster.
    This is a new approach; not the conventional drafting style. Just because Mel Kiper thinks a player is a good/bad doesn't mean anything. The fact that we "reached" based on their standards is meaningless to me because its clear we came in with a plan to draft players based on some analytics and we got those players. That's all that matters.

    Whether the analytics approach works or not is another story. It works in baseball but can it work in the NFL? I don't know.
  • sleeper
    Commander of Awesome;1794627 wrote:I think Hit has a point. Taking Kessler, a career back up in the 3rd over guys like Miller or Billings seems like a mistake. The entire fourth round was pretty much shit IMO. Hope to be proven wrong.
    I've read a lot of good things about Kessler. He may not be the QB of the future for the Browns but at least we didn't blow a high pick on him and its clear this is the QB they were targetting in this draft and they got him.

    I think a lot of people forget that the draft is a lot more than just picking BPA based on consensus metrics. Sometimes you have to overreach on a pick because A) There is no trade available or B) You may not have a pick near where the player you want is actually valued. The draft should be defined by getting the players you wanted on your draft board closest to where you have them valued on the draft board. It doesn't always play out perfect.

    I would be more interested to see the Browns actual draft board and how that panned out against the actual draft.
  • wildcats20
    Yup...Braxton Miller not a playmaker as a WR.

  • Automatik
    That's college. He had a very meh year. Maybe he didn't get the ball enough, maybe he's just not good enough at that position. It's a very uncommon switch at that point in someone's football career.

    He did have a few "wow" plays though....very few.

    I don't see him doing much in the pros, but I hope I'm wrong.
  • wkfan
    wildcats20;1794665 wrote:Yup...Braxton Miller not a playmaker as a WR.

    One great play does not a playmaker make.
  • sleeper
    Yeah Braxton was pretty much non-existent except for that great game he had against VTech.
  • sportswizuhrd
    sleeper;1794671 wrote:Yeah Braxton was pretty much non-existent except for that great game he had against VTech.
    Didnt realize how bad it was until I looked at the numbers.

    3 Games over 50 yards.
    3 Games less than a 1 yard

    2 Games with more than 2 catches.
  • Midstate01
    I think Braxton will be just fine for the Texans. Especially with Hopkins and fuller also there.

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  • Crimson streak
    Braxton miller is a major project at the receiver. Let's stop acting like he is the next Wes welker. I doubt he lasts 3 years in the NFL honestly


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  • Midstate01
    I'm more worried about Braxton away from the field than on it. Ever since yes declared for the draft, he's constantly posting pics in different cars, with all these fancy shoes, bags, clothes. Seems like he's spending at a level that's not very smart.

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  • Sonofanump
    Is there a list of the Browns UDFA?
  • Crimson streak
    I can't wait for this
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  • Mulva
    Sonofanump;1794687 wrote:Is there a list of the Browns UDFA?
    http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/4/30/11545610/undrafted-free-agent-signings-tracker-2016-nfl-draft-udfas
  • Sonofanump

    Thanks, for those not wanting to click:

    [h=4]Cleveland Browns[/h]Dominique Alexander, LB, Oklahoma
    Andrew Baggett, K, Missouri
    Brad Craddock, K, Maryland
    Kenya Dennis, CB, Missouri
    J.P. Holtz, TE, Pittsburgh
    Tracy Howard, CB, Miami
    Nile Lawrence-Stample, DT, Florida State
    Mike Matthews, C, Texas A&M
    Kyle Rose, DT, West Virginia
    Patrick Skov, FB, Georgia Tech
    A.J. Stamps, S, Kentucky


  • Commander of Awesome
    Sonofanump;1794697 wrote:Thanks, for those not wanting to click:

    Cleveland Browns

    Kyle Rose, DT, West Virginia



    Ohio boy, I'll be rooting for him.
  • Commander of Awesome
    Brent Sobleski ‏@brentsobleski 20h20 hours ago Browns *potential* starting O-line:
    LT - Thomas
    LG - Bitonio
    C - Erving
    RG - Greco
    RT - Coleman
    All of them started at LT in college.




    Interesting tidbit. BR thinks all are overrated.
  • like_that
    Commander of Awesome;1794722 wrote:Brent Sobleski ‏@brentsobleski 20h20 hours ago Browns *potential* starting O-line:
    LT - Thomas
    LG - Bitonio
    C - Erving
    RG - Greco
    RT - Coleman
    All of them started at LT in college.




    Interesting tidbit. BR thinks all are overrated.
    I hope moving Erving to center makes him more comfortable and improves his production.
  • SportsAndLady
    like_that;1794723 wrote:I hope moving Erving to center makes him more comfortable and improves his production.
    Be nice to get SOMETHING out of Erving. He was hot garbage last year.
  • Benny The Jet
    Commander of Awesome;1794720 wrote:Ohio boy, I'll be rooting for him.
    Where from?
  • like_that
    Benny The Jet;1794730 wrote:Where from?
    Centerville.