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BR1986FB

Seems like calling people "fat boy" seems to be some people's "go to" when they really have no idea what that person looks like (see Footwedge calling me fat boy.)

Automatik

You could go with "little guy" or "tough guy". Both are currently trending.

Commander of Awesome

lhslep134;1717880 wrote:And Nash made how many finals? And making the finals is relevant to the MVP discussion HOW?

Once again you fail to grasp the concept of relevant evidence when making a point. That makes it a complete waste of time to argue with you.

Go back and read the posts. MVPs make finals or least win a playoff round. Nash didn't deserve to be MVP either time, I think that's pretty much accepted (still better player than Harden can ever hope to be tho).

lhslep134

BR1986FB;1717883 wrote:Seems like calling people "fat boy" seems to be some people's "go to" when they really have no idea what that person looks like (see Footwedge calling me fat boy.)

COA friended me on facebook and posted a picture of me from when I was fat, at the 2010 Rose Bowl, so he knows what I looked like. But I'm not now he knows that he's just being childish.

lhslep134

Commander of Awesome;1717885 wrote:Go back and read the posts. MVPs make finals or least win a playoff round. Nash didn't deserve to be MVP either time, I think that's pretty much accepted (still better player than Harden can ever hope to be tho).

$50 or shut the f*ck up and drop it so we can all move on

BR1986FB

Automatik;1717884 wrote:You could go with "little guy" or "tough guy". Both are currently trending.

Yeah, "little guy" always brings a chuckle.

Commander of Awesome

lhslep134;1717889 wrote:$50 or shut the f*ck up and drop it

Avatar bet with the original conditions, or stfu. Who's the ***** now?

gport_tennis

Anybody who says Harden isn't in the top 3 or 4 for MVP is just biased against Harden. I am not sure if they have a chance to do anything in the postseason without beverly and a maybe not fully health Dwight Harden, but he has been fantastic during the regular season. You don't average 27, 6 and 7 without being an excellent basketball player.

My top 4 MVP:
1A) James Harden (very impressed he has been able to keep the rockets near the top of the WC while missing Howard for half the year. Also has played in all but 1 game which is very important to me in MVP voting this year)
1b) Steph Curry (I could see Steph winning MVP and wouldn't be upset, he has been awesome this year, the best player on an absolutely loaded roster. The loaded roster hurts his MVP case imo, take him off GSW and they are still a playoff team. Take harden off the rockets and they are a lottery team)

2) Westbrook (would be #1 if he hadn't missed 15-20 games)
3) LBJ (another great year, not a "Lebron MVP" type year though. Like it or not he is the only player that has to be better than Lebron from last year to win the MVP)

lhslep134

Commander of Awesome;1717891 wrote:Avatar bet with the original conditions, or stfu. Who's the ***** now?

I told you to put your money where your mouth is and step up the terms of the bet. I'm not backing down from your bet, I'm putting real terms on it. In no way, shape, or form does that make me a p*ssy. That line of logic you took to get to that statement is so backwards it's mind-numbing.

If you're so sure of yourself your financial conditions shouldn't matter because you know you'd win.

Last time I'm saying it: $50 or shut the f*ck up and drop the topic so we can all move on.

Commander of Awesome

lhslep134;1717896 wrote:I told you to put your money where your mouth is and step up the terms of the bet. I'm not backing down from your bet, I'm putting real terms on it. In no way, shape, or form does that make me a p*ssy. That line of logic you took to get to that statement is so backwards it's mind-numbing.

If you're so sure of yourself your financial conditions wouldn't matter because you know you'd win.

Last time I'm saying it: $50 or shut the f*ck up and drop the topic so we can all move on.

Yeah I spotted you 25 pts and an avatar bet. Don't want to do it? Fine, but lol at resorting to calling me a *****. You then said $50 and changed the points to 35. yeah not doing that bet. That would be like me saying, how about $5,000 bet and the point spread is 5. Total cop out on your part.

Crimson streak

Lol this is too good. First off lhslep got owned by straight facts that harden is nothing more than a chucker and a flopper. And then tries to use flawed stats to probe harden is so great in which coa completely tore apart. Then it comes down to name calling lmao

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gport_tennis

Crimson streak;1717919 wrote:Lol this is too good. First off lhslep got owned by straight facts that harden is nothing more than a chucker and a flopper. And then tries to use flawed stats to probe harden is so great in which coa completely tore apart. Then it comes down to name calling lmao

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Haven't read this whole COA vs lhslep discussion, but harden is far from a chucker/flopper. He is shooting 43%/37%/86%, those are good shooting numbers for a guard that shoots as many 3's as he does. He is the best player in the league at drawing fouls which not only improves his own stats but helps his team reach the bonus earlier. It may not be pretty at times to the casual viewer, but he is a highly effective NBA player

Commander of Awesome

gport_tennis;1717920 wrote:Haven't read this whole COA vs lhslep discussion, but harden is far from a chucker/flopper. He is shooting 43%/37%/86%, those are good shooting numbers for a guard that shoots as many 3's as he does. He is the best player in the league at drawing fouls which not only improves his own stats but helps his team reach the bonus earlier. It may not be pretty at times to the casual viewer, but he is a highly effective NBA player

I posted an article detailing his FT's against Good fouling teams and bad fouling teams. Basically his FT attempts will drop in the post season (as it did last season) when he's not playing against shitty foul prone teams. Ishelp ignored this.

lhslep134

Commander of Awesome;1717923 wrote:I posted an article detailing his FT's against Good fouling teams and bad fouling teams. Basically his FT attempts will drop in the post season (as it did last season) when he's not playing against shitty foul prone teams. Ishelp ignored this.

You keep ignoring that the postseason has no impact on the MVP. Harden could average 5/20 on 30% shooting and the Rockets get swept and it would have zero impact on his MVP candidacy. Why you keep ignoring that fact I have no idea. As for the free throws, I explained before but you ignored it so I'll explain again below.

Crimson streak;1717919 wrote: And then tries to use flawed stats to probe harden is so great in which coa completely tore apart.

Which part of #1 in overall win shares and #1 in value over replacement is flawed?

I get that free throws play a big factor in win shares, but that's my entire point. Getting to the free throw line is the most valuable possession in the NBA, and Harden is the best at it, by far. Your opinion of how he gets to the free throw line (COA, S&L, Crimson, etc. I'm directing this at you) doesn't take away, AT ALL, from the value he brings by getting there.

Harden is sometimes incredibly hard to watch because of how hard he tries to draw free throws at the expense of offense flow, I'll give all of you that. But to use that as a reason to discredit overall and offensive win shares, or value over replacement, or any other subjective or objective measurements that show he is MVP-worthy is ass-backwards.

Why do you think he rates so highly in those metrics? Because they recognize how valuable getting to the free throw line is. You guys apparently do not.

friendfromlowry

Come on you guys don't fight. You're friends

Commander of Awesome

If you read the article (you didn't) you would know what it has to do with post season. Looking at his FT attempts s def & refs, he feasts on FT against shitty foul prone def. When he's not playing against the clippers (a terrible foul prone def) or Crawford (worst nba official I can think of in the history in the sport) he's FTs drop considerably. So when you take that into effect, plus his sub 40% FG since the all star break, and you it's easy to see he's no where near the MVP race IMO. Curry gets his points in the flow of the offense, FG% has increased since all star break, and his FT attempts aren't dependent on playing shitty def or having crawford call his games. Harden is a good player, but not MVP good.

sleeper

Harden will never win an MVP or a championship. End of discussion.

lhslep134

Commander of Awesome;1717930 wrote:and you it's easy to see he's no where near the MVP race IMO.

Once again if you want to keep running your mouth uttering that preposterous opinion then put your money where your mouth is. You don't like Harden? Fine. You want to use the numbers to say he shouldn't win MVP? I'll agree with you. But if you want to make a statement that is so against contemporary conventional NBA wisdom, that he's no where close to the MVP, and then delve into childish tangents trying to make your point, then either shut up or make the bet.

Otherwise stop spewing that complete BS that has no basis in reality. Harden is squarely in the MVP discussion, end of argument. If you disagree, put your where your mouth is. $50 that Harden is within 50 points of Steph Curry. If you're so concerned about finances let's do $20. If you refuse to bet, then kindly shut the f*ck up on the topic. Please and thank you.

I can't make my point any clearer than this.

gport_tennis

sleeper;1717933 wrote:Harden will never win an MVP or a championship. End of discussion.

Neither will RWB, nobody is saying he is not a good player though...

gport_tennis

Why am I even allowing myself to delve into this again. If you don't think harden is top 4 MVP candidate or top 15 player already, nothing will convince you otherwise

sleeper

gport_tennis;1717936 wrote:Why am I even allowing myself to delve into this again. If you don't think harden is top 4 MVP candidate or top 15 player already, nothing will convenience you otherwise

Does it really matter if he's top 4 MVP candidate or top 30 MVP candidate? He's not going to win the MVP. Top 1 is all that matters.

gport_tennis

I agree, I think curry will win it, the whole best player on best team thing in his favor. Harden will prob finish 2nd

sleeper

gport_tennis;1717938 wrote:I agree, I think curry will win it, the whole best player on best team thing in his favor. Harden will prob finish 2nd

#1) Curry
#2) LBJ
#3) RW

#4) Who cares? It could be Harden or Scalabrine.

lhslep134

gport_tennis;1717936 wrote:Why am I even allowing myself to delve into this again. If you don't think harden is top 4 MVP candidate or top 15 player already, nothing will convince you otherwise

Exactly. Thank you. I'm with you that Curry will win, and I'd vote for him because he's leading the charge on a historically great team, but to say Harden isn't close :RpS_lol:

gport_tennis

My tough guy moment: I'll bet $100 USD that harden finishes above LBJ in MVP voting

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