Week 17: The Jacksonville Jaguars @ The Cleveland Browns

• pkebker

  Predictions?
  
  
  Browns win 24--13
• bigdaddy2003

  

  Jags 28
  
  Cleveland 21
• Rotinaj

  

  Browns win easily 23-20 in OT.
• Mr. 300

  

  Hard to imagine it, but I'm picking the Browns.
• pkebker

  Rotinaj wrote: Browns win easily 23-20 in OT.

  lol win easily....in overtime. That sure sounds like an easy win...
• BCSbunk

  Going with the hot team Browns win 17-14
• pkebker

  Does this win have any outcome on Mangini's future in Cleveland?
• IggyPride00

  

  Does this win have any outcome on Mangini's future in Cleveland?

  No.
• IggyPride00

  

  ESPNBoston.com pointed out recently that the Browns had tried to sign four different players from the eight-man New England practice squad to the Cleveland active roster, and that the players each declined. After being moved to the active roster and then released, Adams could not refuse to join the Browns, who have acquired his rights via the league's waiver system.

  I saw this on PFT and it is exactly the kind of thing that illustrates why Holmgren needs to get rid of Mangini and start fresh.
  
  When practice squad players would rather stay on the practice squad than goto an NFL team, it says alot about the head coach and general situation with the franchise.
  
  Bring in a new coach who will treat his players like men and not worry about fining guys $1500 for bottles of water, or making rookies take "voluntary 10 hour bus rides" and things might have a legitimate chance to turn around. Cleveland will always be a tough sell to free-agents, but Mangini's presence makes it all the more unattractive as he has a reputation for being incredibly petty and task master like with players that makes him not someone you would want to play for if you have any real talent.
• Gobuckeyes1

  IggyPride00 wrote:

  ESPNBoston.com pointed out recently that the Browns had tried to sign four different players from the eight-man New England practice squad to the Cleveland active roster, and that the players each declined. After being moved to the active roster and then released, Adams could not refuse to join the Browns, who have acquired his rights via the league's waiver system.

  I saw this on PFT and it is exactly the kind of thing that illustrates why Holmgren needs to get rid of Mangini and start fresh.
  
  When practice squad players would rather stay on the practice squad than goto an NFL team, it says alot about the head coach and general situation with the franchise.
  
  Bring in a new coach who will treat his players like men and not worry about fining guys $1500 for bottles of water, or making rookies take "voluntary 10 hour bus rides" and things might have a legitimate chance to turn around. Cleveland will always be a tough sell to free-agents, but Mangini's presence makes it all the more unattractive as he has a reputation for being incredibly petty and task master like with players that makes him not someone you would want to play for if you have any real talent.

  I feel like this whole perception of Mangini is totally overblown. He obviously hasn't lost the team, or they would have quit on him two months ago.
  
  This being said, if Homgren fires Mangini I won't lose any sleep over it.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  IggyPride00 wrote:

  ESPNBoston.com pointed out recently that the Browns had tried to sign four different players from the eight-man New England practice squad to the Cleveland active roster, and that the players each declined. After being moved to the active roster and then released, Adams could not refuse to join the Browns, who have acquired his rights via the league's waiver system.

  I saw this on PFT and it is exactly the kind of thing that illustrates why Holmgren needs to get rid of Mangini and start fresh.
  
  When practice squad players would rather stay on the practice squad than goto an NFL team, it says alot about the head coach and general situation with the franchise.
  
  Bring in a new coach who will treat his players like men and not worry about fining guys $1500 for bottles of water, or making rookies take "voluntary 10 hour bus rides" and things might have a legitimate chance to turn around. Cleveland will always be a tough sell to free-agents, but Mangini's presence makes it all the more unattractive as he has a reputation for being incredibly petty and task master like with players that makes him not someone you would want to play for if you have any real talent.

  Stop buying into the LIES and hype.
  
  First of all, PFT is an awful site with an awful rep for not telling the truth (printing rumors). So the veracity of that report remains dubious, at best.
  
  That said, you DO know that the player who was fined was Edwards, right? And that many of the reports of "abuses" by Mangini (the Davis allegation) also came from Edwards and were proven totally false?
  
  Keeping Mangini won't hurt this team one iota and it will likely speed up the process of turning things around. Mangini, when not doing anything but coaching, is a good NFL coach and can win games.
  
  If Holmgren is allowed to put the offensive braintrust in place (a new OC), I have no doubt this team can be at .500 next year and grow from there. Fire Mangini, and we are starting from scratch yet again.
• pkebker

  IggyPride00 wrote:

  Does this win have any outcome on Mangini's future in Cleveland?

  No.

  so your assuming Holmgren has his mind made up then?
• pkebker

  Writerbuckeye wrote:

  IggyPride00 wrote:

  ESPNBoston.com pointed out recently that the Browns had tried to sign four different players from the eight-man New England practice squad to the Cleveland active roster, and that the players each declined. After being moved to the active roster and then released, Adams could not refuse to join the Browns, who have acquired his rights via the league's waiver system.

  I saw this on PFT and it is exactly the kind of thing that illustrates why Holmgren needs to get rid of Mangini and start fresh.
  
  When practice squad players would rather stay on the practice squad than goto an NFL team, it says alot about the head coach and general situation with the franchise.
  
  Bring in a new coach who will treat his players like men and not worry about fining guys $1500 for bottles of water, or making rookies take "voluntary 10 hour bus rides" and things might have a legitimate chance to turn around. Cleveland will always be a tough sell to free-agents, but Mangini's presence makes it all the more unattractive as he has a reputation for being incredibly petty and task master like with players that makes him not someone you would want to play for if you have any real talent.

  Stop buying into the LIES and hype.
  
  First of all, PFT is an awful site with an awful rep for not telling the truth (printing rumors). So the veracity of that report remains dubious, at best.
  
  That said, you DO know that the player who was fined was Edwards, right? And that many of the reports of "abuses" by Mangini (the Davis allegation) also came from Edwards and were proven totally false?
  
  Keeping Mangini won't hurt this team one iota and it will likely speed up the process of turning things around. Mangini, when not doing anything but coaching, is a good NFL coach and can win games.
  
  If Holmgren is allowed to put the offensive braintrust in place (a new OC), I have no doubt this team can be at .500 next year and grow from there. Fire Mangini, and we are starting from scratch yet again.

  Amen...This could not be better stated...
• devil1197

  I'd like some proof that Cleveland players dislike Mangini outside of the players that were traded or just quit playing like Edwards and Lewis.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  ^^^The only proof (of the opposite) you'll find is what your own eyes tell you -- which is that this team has played harder, to the end of every whistle, than it ever did toward the ends of seasons under Crennel, who was supposed to be so beloved by players.
• Hesston

  

  If the Browns play like the past 3 games they should win. I doubt Mangini will be back, can't see him taking a back seat to Holmgren
• hangonsloopy

  

  IMO the team isn't playing for Mangini, they are playing for themselves and their teammates. Pride, a job next season, etc.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  hangonsloopy wrote: IMO the team isn't playing for Mangini, they are playing for themselves and their teammates. Pride, a job next season, etc.

  So all the teams and players in most of the years prior to Mangini WERE NOT playing for themselves, their teammates, pride and a job next season? Because several of those teams quit on Crennel. Nobody has quit this season.
• hangonsloopy

  

  Just my opinion. I don't think the team overall likes him. And obviously the perception of him isn't the best if other players decline coming to his practice squad.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  I get that it is just your opinion, but it isn't logical if what we're seeing on the field is real. Logic would dictate that all teams as bad as Cleveland would be fighting to the end of each season (for their jobs, teammates, etc.) but that is not what we see.
  
  We see some teams tank the season when they are no longer playing for anything of consequence, and others that do not.
  
  I honestly believe this begins and ends with the coach. If they like and respect the coach, they will continue to fight to win; if not, they will tank the season. I believe the reason we saw those Cleveland teams tank at the end (so badly) under Romeo was they didn't respect him. Like him? You bet, he was soft on them for the most part. But not respect.
• royal_k

  

  I have to agree with the above poster. This team has played inspired and at a much higher level than earlier in the season. That falls on the head coach.
• Mulva

  

  Jacksonville isn't great, but they're definitely better than Kansas City or Oakland, and they technically have something to play for (even though it would take a miracle for them to get into the playoffs).
  
  Should be close, but I think Jacksonville wins it, something like 20-17.
• pkebker

  Mulva wrote: Jacksonville isn't great, but they're definitely better than Kansas City or Oakland, and they technically have something to play for (even though it would take a miracle for them to get into the playoffs).
  
  Should be close, but I think Jacksonville wins it, something like 20-17.

  I understand your point. But if you think about it, Cleveland has all the momentum. The Browns have won 3 straight, whereas the Jaguars have been losing lately. So I think that has to be factored into it, which is why I pick Cleveland to win a close one.
• slingshot4ever

  Cleveland wins to finish the season with 4 straight wins.
  
  24-17.
• Heretic

  

  Writerbuckeye wrote: I get that it is just your opinion, but it isn't logical if what we're seeing on the field is real. Logic would dictate that all teams as bad as Cleveland would be fighting to the end of each season (for their jobs, teammates, etc.) but that is not what we see.
  
  We see some teams tank the season when they are no longer playing for anything of consequence, and others that do not.
  
  I honestly believe this begins and ends with the coach. If they like and respect the coach, they will continue to fight to win; if not, they will tank the season. I believe the reason we saw those Cleveland teams tank at the end (so badly) under Romeo was they didn't respect him. Like him? You bet, he was soft on them for the most part. But not respect.

  As a Steelers fan, I'd agree with that. Remember your games with them last year? In the first game, Pittsburgh won a close game where one could easily say a brainless Anderson interception deep in Steeler territory (taking at least 3, if not 7 potential points off the board) could have wound up costing them a legit shot of winning. In the late-season rematch, Pittsburgh blew them out.
  
  This year, in the first game, Pittsburgh wins 27-14. A Cribbs return provided half those points. In the second game, Cleveland was just as bad offensively (only TD set up by a Cribbs return inside the Steeler 10 and his tough running in key moments really took the stink off Quinn's poor numbers), but their defense played hard the entire game and shut down Pittsburgh's offense. That says that, regardless of how their players personally feel about Mangini, they're at least playing hard for him and giving everything they have.