Reds @ Padres...Game 1

• mhs95_06

  Azubuike24;1480059 wrote:Leake:
  Hits/9 - 8.63
  WHIP - 1.19
  BAA - .255
  K:BB Ratio - 2.6:1
  
  Bailey:
  Hits/9 - 8.34
  WHIP - 1.16
  BAA - .247
  K:BB Ratio - 4.31:1
  
  Numbers don't lie. Bailey, overall, has been better than Leake. Leake's vastly overachieving this year and I'm not sure any Reds fan can disagree with me. His ERA, is simply a statistical anomaly right now.

  Leake's ERA is better because his line-up navigation skills have been better this year, but that doesn't mean he'd be better in the playoffs.
• Azubuike24

  

  mhs95_06;1480062 wrote:I agree with Azubuike on the need for power pitchers in the play-offs. The tendency for the hitters in these more important games seems to me to be that they get smarter, going oppo etc, not taking so many wild swings which is to the detriment of finesse pitchers, and they get more tentative which makes them not able to catch up as well to power pitchers rather than finesse pitchers.

  ...and I've said it since opening day. You can't afford to throw two junkballers in the playoffs. Maybe, you can afford to have Leake OR Arroyo, but not both. You would also, ideally, have a lefty as well.
• sportchampps

  Lmao Votto
• SportsAndLady

  

  "Numbers don't lie"
  
  Yet you're starting the 5-10, 3.77 ERA Homer Bailey (who is not all mentally there) instead of the 10-4, 2.65 ERA who was mentally prepared for the big leagues straight out of college.
  
  Yeah, okay
• mhs95_06

  Joey Votto has a very poor base running concept!
• Azubuike24

  

  SportsAndLady;1480067 wrote:"Numbers don't lie"
  
  Yet you're starting the 5-10, 3.77 ERA Homer Bailey (who is not all mentally there) instead of the 10-4, 2.65 ERA who was mentally prepared for the big leagues straight out of college.
  
  Yeah, okay

  I'm arguing the merit of ERA. I'm stating there are a half-dozen other numbers Bailey is even or superior in that are equally or more important.
• sportchampps

  He's from Canada give him a break
• sportchampps

  Should have 2 on 1 down
• SportsAndLady

  

  Azubuike24;1480070 wrote:I'm arguing the merit of ERA. I'm stating there are a half-dozen other numbers Bailey is even or superior in that are equally or more important.

  So how many runs allowed over the course of a season per 9 innings has little merit?
  
  Haha you are literally just making shit up to support your argument.
  
  "Numbers don't lie" "ERA has little merit" "my guy has a better k:walk ratio"
  
  I mean are you listening to the stuff you're saying?
• mhs95_06

  Azubuike24;1480065 wrote:...and I've said it since opening day. You can't afford to throw two junkballers in the playoffs. Maybe, you can afford to have Leake OR Arroyo, but not both. You would also, ideally, have a lefty as well.

  That is why this should be Bronson's last season with the Reds, unless he agrees to less money and understands that he probably won't pitch in the playoffs.
• Azubuike24

  

  Yep, and in the playoffs, it's win or go home. You don't have 30 "solid" performances to bank on.
  
  Maybe our argument is futile, because there are supporters on both sides. I just think the only shot this team has is to play the upside and roll with your best shot at getting a dominating pitching performance.
  
  We both know that games that are 3-2, 4-3, etc...that come down to clutch hitting and the little things late in the game, the Reds will lose. I mean, does their extra innings and 1-run record not support that? Same with their record against above .500 teams.
• sportchampps

  Cingrani latos cueto leake should be the playoff pitchers dusty will go cueto latos bailey arroyo
• Azubuike24

  

  SportsAndLady;1480073 wrote:I mean are you listening to the stuff you're saying?

  Lets hear the others on the forum chime in, and see how many are in agreement with what I'm saying. I'm not saying you're completely wrong, but I do think dismissing everything except ERA, especially when I'm talking about a single start, do or die situation, and you're talking about a 100+ game span.
• Ironman92

  

  Azubuike24;1480078 wrote:Yep, and in the playoffs, it's win or go home. You don't have 30 "solid" performances to bank on.
  
  Maybe our argument is futile, because there are supporters on both sides. I just think the only shot this team has is to play the upside and roll with your best shot at getting a dominating pitching performance.
  
  We both know that games that are 3-2, 4-3, etc...that come down to clutch hitting and the little things late in the game, the Reds will lose. I mean, does their extra innings and 1-run record not support that? Same with their record against above .500 teams.

  
  What's it take in the playoffs? 7 inn and 4 or fewer hits? Homer has done that 3 times this year.....Leake has done it 6 times and despite how it seems this game he's 3 outs from a 7th.
• sportchampps

  Era trumps all
• Azubuike24

  

  sportchampps;1480079 wrote:Cingrani latos cueto leake should be the playoff pitchers dusty will go cueto latos bailey arroyo

  Bailey owns Latos in every single category...
  
  People don't realize how great of a season Homer is having...despite the ERA.
• sportchampps

  His game management is the xfactor
• sportchampps

  Homer is great every other game
• sportchampps

  When Bailey is on he's got just filty stuff the problem is at this point in his career he just doesn't have it night in and night out. If he gets consistently he could be a cy young contender.
• Ironman92

  

  Azubuike24;1480083 wrote:Bailey owns Latos in every single category...
  
  People don't realize how great of a season Homer is having...despite the ERA.

  
  Then Homer's karma sucks and I don't want bad karma out there over Latos or Leake.
• Azubuike24

  

  Regardless, in the end, I hope I'm 100% wrong and both Arroyo and Leake, if they have to pitch in the playoffs, prove me wrong.
• Ironman92

  

  Mike Leake 7 inn , 4 hits, 0 runs
  
  2.59 era
• SportsAndLady

  

  Azubuike24;1480083 wrote:Bailey owns Latos in every single category...
  
  People don't realize how great of a season Homer is having...despite the ERA.

  
  Yet you don't say this about leake! You're COMPLETELY biased against leake it's fucking silly.
  
  So homer gives up fewer hits..what a season! His era is a full point above leakes yet leake can't be trusted and homer can.
  
  I cannot take this conversation seriously. It's mind-boggling.
• mhs95_06

  Please send Leake out to face Evereth!
• Terry_Tate

  

  Homer Bailey WAR - 3.2
  
  Mike Leake WAR - 1.2
  
  Case closed.