Indians at Reds - Game 2

• Laley23

  

  se-alum;1449456 wrote:These Indians announcers are the biggest homers I've ever heard. They're still calling the Cozart line drive down the line yesterday a foul ball.

  Matt Underwood is the 2nd worst in the biz (behind Hawk). Rick Manning gets tired of calling him out and sometimes agrees or says "well...it was close" lol. Yesterday he said it was fair and barely caught chalk (which was correct). He probably is just tired of arguing with Underwood.
• se-alum

  

  Laley23;1449462 wrote:Was there a runner on 3rd? And was he running?
  
  That is what Im confused about. Cause if there was, then Choo doesnt even matter. But I dont know the whole landscape.

  Yes, runner on 3rd was running, but stopped and went back when the ball was popped up, mhs95 wanted Choo to be at 2nd to save an out, but had he not went back and the ball was caught, it would've ended the inning. The way it played out, Choo was out at 2nd on the force, but the Reds still had an rbi chance with a runner on 3rd.
• mhs95_06

  SportsAndLady;1449452 wrote:It's stupid. It's literally one of the more stupid things I've ever heard.
  
  He runs, it's a double play. Period.

  You are missing the point. Maybe thinking about it this way will help:
  
  Say there is one out and a runner on 3rd and the suicide squeeze sign is given. The runner heads for home on the pitch and the batter pops it up just like tonight. The pitcher or the 3B catches it unlike tonight, and guess what, the runner coming from 3rd is toast and is easily doubled off to end the inning.
  
  Now just add the runner on 1st with one out, and the same thing happens. There is no risk for the runner on 1st to be going on the pitch also and be standing on 2nd when the pop-up comes down. They just double off either of the runners to end the inning. Now if for some strange reason, the ball falls, like it did tonight, you are already on 2nd at no risk. And by rights tonight, Cozart was toast, and should have resisted the urge to head back toward 3rd becasue he was already dead meat, and should have scored on the muff.
• se-alum

  

  Laley23;1449464 wrote:Matt Underwood is the 2nd worst in the biz (behind Hawk). Rick Manning gets tired of calling him out and sometimes agrees or says "well...it was close" lol. Yesterday he said it was fair and barely caught chalk (which was correct). He probably is just tired of arguing with Underwood.

  Forgot about Hawk, he's definitely the worst I've ever heard.
• se-alum

  

  mhs95_06;1449468 wrote:You are missing the point. Maybe thinking about it this way will help:
  
  Say there is one out and a runner on 3rd and the suicide squeeze sign is given. The runner heads for home on the pitch and the batter pops it up just like tonight. The pitcher or the 3B catches it unlike tonight, and guess what, the runner coming from 3rd is toast and is easily doubled off to end the inning.
  
  Now just add the runner on 1st with one out, and the same thing happens. There is no risk for the runner on 1st to be going on the pitch also and be standing on 2nd when the pop-up comes down. They just double off either of the runners to end the inning. Now if for some strange reason, the ball falls, like it did tonight, you are already on 2nd at no risk. And by rights tonight, Cozart was toast, and should have resisted the urge to head back toward 3rd becasue he was already dead meat, and should have scored on the muff.

  
  How is the runner on 3rd toast? He is retreating to an uncovered base?
• SportsAndLady

  

  Laley23;1449462 wrote:Was there a runner on 3rd? And was he running?
  
  That is what Im confused about. Cause if there was, then Choo doesnt even matter. But I dont know the whole landscape.

  He was able to retreat; that's how high the popup was.
• mhs95_06

  Laley23;1449462 wrote:Was there a runner on 3rd? And was he running?
  
  That is what Im confused about. Cause if there was, then Choo doesnt even matter. But I dont know the whole landscape.

  Yes, Cozart got within a few feet of home. It was the classic suicide bunt play.
• Midstate01

  

  se-alum;1449472 wrote:How is the runner on 3rd toast? He is retreating to an uncovered base?

  SportsAndLady;1449473 wrote:He was able to retreat; that's how high the popup was.

  
  EXACTLY! !!!
• Midstate01

  

  Well we got the first series. Now will it be like last year where the indians sweep it back.
• Laley23

  

  OK. So Cozart had enough time to get back than I agree with you all.
  
  I think the easy fix to this problem is the man on 1st needs to mirror the man on 3rd.
• se-alum

  

  Midstate01;1449480 wrote:Well we got the first series. Now will it be like last year where the indians sweep it back.

  I expect the Indians to at least take tomorrows game.
• Midstate01

  

  Laley23;1449481 wrote:OK. So Cozart had enough time to get back than I agree with you all.
  
  I think the easy fix to this problem is the man on 1st needs to mirror the man on 3rd.

  
  Cozart was the batter. Choo was on first. Hannahan at 3rd.
• Laley23

  

  Midstate01;1449484 wrote:Cozart was the batter. Choo was on first. Hannahan at 3rd.

  Ok. Well either way. Man on 1st in that situation should do what the man on 3rd does.
  
  If he runs and doesnt retreat, no point in the man on 1st retreating. If man on 3rd goes back, man on 1st needs to also to avoid the DP.
• mhs95_06

  se-alum;1449472 wrote:How is the runner on 3rd toast? He is retreating to an uncovered base?

  The 3rd baseman messed up too - should have let the pitcher have the pop and went back to cover 3rd! If Choo would have been standing on 2nd, then the SS should have been covering 3rd.
  
  The proper baserunning play is for both runners to go on the pitch and not come back. If the hitter pops it up, its an inning ending double play if it is caught. The inherent risk of the suicide squeeze.
• sherm03

  

  mhs95_06;1449477 wrote:Yes, Cozart got within a few feet of home. It was the classic suicide bunt play.

  It was Hannahan, not Cozart. And he was not "a few feet from home." He stopped to retreat to third farther away from the plate than where the ball was dropped. He was MAYBE half way down the line when he turned to go back.
• sherm03

  

  Laley23;1449485 wrote:Ok. Well either way. Man on 1st in that situation should do what the man on 3rd does.
  
  If he runs and doesnt retreat, no point in the man on 1st retreating. If man on 3rd goes back, man on 1st needs to also to avoid the DP.

  That is what happened. Both runners retreated on the pop-up.
• mhs95_06

  Laley23;1449481 wrote:OK. So Cozart had enough time to get back than I agree with you all.
  
  I think the easy fix to this problem is the man on 1st needs to mirror the man on 3rd.

  Yes that's right it was Hannahan on 3rd, my mistake, but mirroring is not proper either because the runner on 1st is forced if it is dropped.
• Midstate01

  

  IF ANYTHING you could say hannahan should have stopped instead of retreated since nobody was covering his bag.
• sherm03

  

  Remember when I was worried about Votto getting into his own head yesterday? It's awesome with audio.
  
  http://deadspin.com/lets-listen-to-joey-votto-scream-fuck-over-and-over-510184364?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
• sportswizuhrd

  Laley23;1449464 wrote:Matt Underwood is the 2nd worst in the biz (behind Hawk). Rick Manning gets tired of calling him out and sometimes agrees or says "well...it was close" lol. Yesterday he said it was fair and barely caught chalk (which was correct). He probably is just tired of arguing with Underwood.

  Rod Allen of the Tigers is terrible too. I know he is not PxP but he has prevented me from watching the Tigers ever since I first heard him 7 years ago.
• Terry_Tate

  

  Boom bitches. Hopefully they get at least one in Cleveland.
• se-alum

  

  sherm03;1449543 wrote:Remember when I was worried about Votto getting into his own head yesterday? It's awesome with audio.
  
  http://deadspin.com/lets-listen-to-joey-votto-scream-fuck-over-and-over-510184364?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

  I really wish he wouldn't do that. Go into the tunnel to do that kind of stuff.
• sherm03

  

  se-alum;1449553 wrote:I really wish he wouldn't do that. Go into the tunnel to do that kind of stuff.

  I like it. Shows that he takes stuff like that personally.
• se-alum

  

  sherm03;1449555 wrote:I like it. Shows that he takes stuff like that personally.

  I understand that part, but there's also kids there to see Votto cause he's their favorite player, then they hear that. I know frustration happens in the heat of the moment, but Joey does it a lot.
• Azubuike24

  

  Midstate01;1449376 wrote:Votto is such a bad base runner

  He had that mistake, but he's probably the best base runner on the team...