Art Modell, dead at 87

• GOONx19

  

  Commander of Awesome;1271113 wrote:PM'd

  You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Commander of Awesome again.
• BR1986FB

  stlouiedipalma;1271071 wrote: Speaking of Al Lerner, I notice nobody crucified him for his role in the move of the Browns. It was Al's private jet that took Art to that now infamous presser at the Baltimore airport. A few years later Lerner was being hailed as a savior in Cleveland for buying the expansion Browns. Of course, he mismanaged the operations side of the franchise and they have never been serious contenders for anything except high draft choices since then.

  This is a given. Lerner was no "savior." He was a self serving piece of shit.
• Footwedge

  Con_Alma;1270520 wrote:I don't think people ever felt Arrt was forced to leave.
  
  He always had a choice. He chose to leave.

  And YOU are one of the staunchest supporters of him leaving. I thought I'd set the record straight for all to see. Don't act like you are blaming Art. You supported Art.
• Footwedge

  stlouiedipalma;1271071 wrote: Speaking of Al Lerner, I notice nobody crucified him for his role in the move of the Browns. It was Al's private jet that took Art to that now infamous presser at the Baltimore airport. A few years later Lerner was being hailed as a savior in Cleveland for buying the expansion Browns. Of course, he mismanaged the operations side of the franchise and they have never been serious contenders for anything except high draft choices since then.

  It was me that crucified Lerner. He was as big of a turncoat as Modell. Then...after Rome had burnt to the ground, he saw an opportunity to own his own football team. Why Cleveland embraced this POS I could never understand.
• Footwedge

  BR1986FB;1270511 wrote:For those in the "Art was a great man....he was FORCED to leave" crowd....please eat a dick...
  
  http://www.cleveland.com/naymik/index.ssf/2012/09/art_modell_gateway_stadium.html

  Make sure you send a PM to QueerCityBuckeye. He was quite the outspoken "expert" on how Art "had to leave" and had "no choice". Of course for him, eating a dick, is hardly punishment.
• stlouiedipalma

  SportsAndLady;1271095 wrote:Modell and the Lerners suck in my mind...how are you the owner for that long and never take them to the super bowl?
  
  Modell is just a scumbag, whereas the Lerners are good people.

  Art may have been a scumbag for moving the Browns, but I really do believe that he loved that team. His biggest fault was that his love blinded him to the point where he made some really bad financial decisions.
  
  I'll always believe that Art wanted nothing more than to be the one to deliver another championship to Cleveland.
  
  Trust me, I wish things had worked out differently. After he moved the team I wanted Modell to attend the Super Bowl only as a paid customer. It tore my heart out when they won the damn thing. I also knew and understood that he would never, ever be elected to the Hall of Fame as long as he was alive. There was no way he could go to Canton and leave alive, just no way.
• Con_Alma

  Footwedge;1271168 wrote:And YOU are one of the staunchest supporters of him leaving. I thought I'd set the record straight for all to see. Don't act like you are blaming Art. You supported Art.

  I am a supporter and defender of his choice to leave. He owes the fans nothing. The fans owe him nothing. I support his right as a business owner to leave.
  
  If it made more sense for him economically, then he made the right decision. If it didn't make sense for him economically,he made the wrong decision.
  
  What I staunchly support is the fact that business owners decide not the clients....whether the customers like that or nor.
  
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• Con_Alma

  Footwedge;1271172 wrote:It was me that crucified Lerner. He was as big of a turncoat as Modell. Then...after Rome had burnt to the ground, he saw an opportunity to own his own football team. Why Cleveland embraced this POS I could never understand.

  Why "embrace" any business owner? What's the rationale in that?
• Con_Alma

  stlouiedipalma;1271292 wrote:Art may have been a scumbag for moving the Browns, but I really do believe that he loved that team. His biggest fault was that his love blinded him to the point where he made some really bad financial decisions.
  
  I'll always believe that Art wanted nothing more than to be the one to deliver another championship to Cleveland.
  
  ...

  I agree with this completely.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Obviously don't get it, and have zero city pride Con_Alma. He doesn't owe the fans of the my storied and longest football franchise? lolk, your troling is obv.
• like_that

  

  I always find it funny when people try to correlate pro franchises/professional athletes to businesses/having a regular job. Sorry to break it to you con_alma, as much as you want to spin it, there is no correlation between tho two. There is more to owning a franchise than making money.
  
  I don't see citizens of a city wearing a specific business's logo on their sleeves with pride. GTFO with that shit.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Con_Alma would endorse the Cleveland Art Museum moving if he could. Bet he would try to argue that he wouldn't eat his mother's cooking if it wasn't up to his standards either. Either a complete dipshit, or just trolling like an idiot.
• Con_Alma

  Commander of Awesome;1271462 wrote:Obviously don't get it, and have zero city pride Con_Alma. He doesn't owe the fans of the my storied and longest football franchise? lolk, your troling is obv.

  Pride comes from within....not from some business.
  
  I hope an NFL team is always in Cleveland. It's a good thing for many reasons but to act like children when someone eho has nothing to do with you makes a decision for his own interest is just silly....that not trolling.
• Con_Alma

  like_that;1271497 wrote:I always find it funny when people try to correlate pro franchises/professional athletes to businesses/having a regular job. Sorry to break it to you con_alma, as much as you want to spin it, there is no correlation between tho two. There is more to owning a franchise than making money.
  
  I don't see citizens of a city wearing a specific business's logo on their sleeves with pride. GTFO with that ****.

  If you don't think the NFL is nothing more than an entertainment business you are blinded by their lure. They've got you right where they want you.
• Con_Alma

  Commander of Awesome;1271504 wrote:Con_Alma would endorse the Cleveland Art Museum moving if he could. Bet he would try to argue that he wouldn't eat his mother's cooking if it wasn't up to his standards either. Either a complete dip****, or just trolling like an idiot.

  Not true.
  
  I would endorse their decisions to be able to move if that decision is theirs to make.
  
  I don't want the art museum to move any more than I wanted to Browns to move. I don't want them to move at all.
  
  I complete support their ability to make the decisions if it's their to make. That's they difference that apparently you are not seeing.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Makes sense Con_Alma. /sarcasm
• Commander of Awesome

  

  While I don't agree with Bernie Madoff and wish he hadn't done his pyramid scheme, I fully support his ability to make the decision to screw people over in the financial world for his gain. /Con_Alma
• SportsAndLady

  

  Commander of Awesome;1272562 wrote:While I don't agree with Bernie Madoff and wish he hadn't done his pyramid scheme, I fully support his ability to make the decision to screw people over in the financial world for his gain. /Con_Alma

  LOL
  
  
  Con I've always been a big supporter of yours on this site...but you're just blatantly wrong in this. You don't get "it". You're not able to grasp the concept. A good business decision isn't always 100% about money.
• Con_Alma

  Commander of Awesome;1272562 wrote:While I don't agree with Bernie Madoff and wish he hadn't done his pyramid scheme, I fully support his ability to make the decision to screw people over in the financial world for his gain. /Con_Alma

  I disagree. Mr. Madoff was acting illegally.
• Con_Alma

  SportsAndLady;1272563 wrote:LOL
  
  
  Con I've always been a big supporter of yours on this site...but you're just blatantly wrong in this. You don't get "it". You're not able to grasp the concept. A good business decision isn't always 100% about money.

  I agree that decsions that are productive from a business decision are not solely about money. Maybe you haven't read all of my posts in this thread. Supporting the ability to make that decisions is what I subscribe to....whether it's made about money or not.
• Footwedge

  Con_Alma;1272785 wrote:I agree that decsions that are productive from a business decision are not solely about money. Maybe you haven't read all of my posts in this thread. Supporting the ability to make that decisions is what I subscribe to....whether it's made about money or not.

  That is bullshit...you want me to pull all of your crap that you spewed on my political thread? You have over a half dozen posts over there talking about only money should dictate business decisions...including moving a football team. You even said that Art's team would have folded if he didn't move it.
• Con_Alma

  Footwedge;1272793 wrote:That is bull****...you want me to pull all of your crap that you spewed on my political thread? You have over a half dozen posts over there talking about only money should dictate business decisions...including moving a football team. You even said that Art's team would have folded if he didn't move it.

  I support decisions from a business that are made based on money.
  
  I also support the ability to make business decisions based on anything the owner wants.....because it's his decision to make.
  
  Pull out anything you want and you won't find me posting anything contradicting that premise.
• Sonofanump

  Interesting.