Reds spring training 2012

• Jawbreaker

  karen lotz;1134879 wrote:eh.

  y.
• justincredible

  

  Jawbreaker;1134883 wrote:So would the Dodgers. He was going to get 200+ from someone.
  
  I would currently take Votto over Arod, Pujols, and Fielder and their respective current contracts. It was a move the Reds had to make.

  Yeah, Magic would've given him $400m based on what his group paid for the Dodgers.
• Classyposter58

  

  Jawbreaker;1134883 wrote:So would the Dodgers. He was going to get 200+ from someone.
  
  I would currently take Votto over Arod, Pujols, and Fielder and their respective current contracts. It was a move the Reds had to make.

  Idk about this. Fielder is 27 and already carded a 50 HR year and bound to have another similar one(won't hit 50 playing in Comerica though), Pujols is well Pujols and A-Rod is the best player of our time. Do you remember what he did in 2007? I think he had 160 RBI's! And as a shortstop too. Just unreal
• justincredible

  

  Classyposter58;1134962 wrote:Idk about this. Fielder is 27 and already carded a 50 HR year and bound to have another similar one(won't hit 50 playing in Comerica though), Pujols is well Pujols and A-Rod is the best player of our time. Do you remember what he did in 2007? I think he had 160 RBI's! And as a shortstop too. Just unreal

  Arod had 156 RBI in 2007, but he wasn't a SS (Jeter).
• justincredible

  

  With Phillips and Cozart batting in front of Votto this year instead of (mostly) Stubbs and Renteria his RBI numbers are going to go up. If he doesn't have 120+ RBI this season I'll be surprised. He won't be a 40+ HR guy but I can live with that. He'll hit 30+ HR and 35+ 2B just about every year.
• Ironman92

  

  Hope he changes nothing.
• sherm03

  

  justincredible;1134992 wrote:With Phillips and Cozart batting in front of Votto this year instead of (mostly) Stubbs and Renteria his RBI numbers are going to go up. If he doesn't have 120+ RBI this season I'll be surprised. He won't be a 40+ HR guy but I can live with that. He'll hit 30+ HR and 35+ 2B just about every year.

  This. Without the strikeout king ahead of him...Votto should have a ton more RBIs.
• Jawbreaker

  Classyposter58;1134962 wrote:Idk about this. Fielder is 27 and already carded a 50 HR year and bound to have another similar one(won't hit 50 playing in Comerica though), Pujols is well Pujols and A-Rod is the best player of our time. Do you remember what he did in 2007? I think he had 160 RBI's! And as a shortstop too. Just unreal

  That is why I said, "and their respective contracts". Do you really want to be on the hook for Arod when he is 40+ years old? Same with Pujols? Do you think Fielders body will hold up?
• dave

  Jawbreaker;1135076 wrote:That is why I said, "and their respective contracts". Do you really want to be on the hook for Arod when he is 40+ years old? Same with Pujols? Do you think Fielders body will hold up?

  Those guys can move to DH. Votto will be making $20+mil when he is 40 and will have to play the field. It will be a bad contract the last few years, just have to hope he produces in his prime.
• Ironman92

  

  Possibly the most I've ever wanted the season to begin.
• Ironman92

  

  Ironman92;1135096 wrote:Possibly the most I've ever wanted the season to begin.

  
  ....and not really because of Reds greatness possibilities....too much good weather and no MLB.
  
  I need it.
• Azubuike24

  

  There is no comparison between Prince and Votto.
  
  Votto does so much more for a team than Prince. He's probably the best overall hitter outside of Miguel Cabrera in the MLB. Ability to hit any pitch, any pitcher, any count, to any field. He can draw walks, run the bases and hit for power.
  
  I would've said this was Pujols before last year, but he has to gain the top spot back...
• Midstate01

  

  Azubuike24;1135260 wrote:There is no comparison between Prince and Votto.
  
  Votto does so much more for a team than Prince. He's probably the best overall hitter outside of Miguel Cabrera in the MLB. Ability to hit any pitch, any pitcher, any count, to any field. He can draw walks, run the bases and hit for power.
  
  I would've said this was Pujols before last year, but he has to gain the top spot back...

  
  And his defense is head and shoulders above prince.
• Azubuike24

  

  Yeah didn't even mention that, won a gold glove. Votto was a stiff at first when he first came up. Average at best. Gold Glove in less than 5 years. Dude busts ass...
• Classyposter58

  

  Jawbreaker;1135076 wrote:That is why I said, "and their respective contracts". Do you really want to be on the hook for Arod when he is 40+ years old? Same with Pujols? Do you think Fielders body will hold up?

  Well he's only 27 so 36 isn't that old. I mean shoot Tom Brady is almost 36
• TedSheckler

  

  justincredible;1134867 wrote:Toronto would've thrown a blank cheque at him.

  I see what you did there.
• justincredible

  

  dave;1135085 wrote:Those guys can move to DH. Votto will be making $20+mil when he is 40 and will have to play the field. It will be a bad contract the last few years, just have to hope he produces in his prime.

  I think a 40 year old Votto will still be an average first baseman, defensively.
• Rotinaj

  

  Classyposter58;1135271 wrote:Well he's only 27 so 36 isn't that old. I mean shoot Tom Brady is almost 36

  Uhh, Tom Brady isnt 700 pounds.
• thavoice

  With the Votto deal ya gotta take the good with the bad.
  
  Sure....paying him 22mil + when he is in year 9-10 of his contract wont be a great deal, but hopefully in the ramp up to that he is the cornerstone of the Reds being very competitive. He is one of the top guys in baseball, and still young. He very easily will be a 30/125/.320 guy for a number of years and if ya want that type of player, you gotta pay for it.
  
  I said before taht I dont think any player is worth 20+ million a year, and I still believe it, but man...the reds really need to keep Votto. This sends a serious message to this team, to the fans, to the minors, and to the league that this team is serious about contending. You need to have a stud player, and i would rather pay Votto than some FA signee.
  To get him signed like this with 2 years remaining was remarkable, and to me showed that he really didnt wanna go anywhere else.
  
  IF he had two more very good years he would have been even more expensive.
  
  
  ALot of money...yeah. and to be honest I am not looking at the financial viability of this team when he is in year 9-10 of the deal. If he can bring the Reds year in and year out competitiveness then I am all for it.
• Heretic

  

  Rotinaj;1135370 wrote:Uhh, Tom Brady isnt 700 pounds.

  Yeah. That's the big worry I'd have about Prince. With his weight, I'd start to get really scared about that contract when he hits the other side of 30.
• Midstate01

  

  Justin, couple questions for you
  
  How can you eat at the machine room grill?? Any idea? I'll be home and going to the may 11th game. Think that'd be fun to go to.
  Also, you still gonna try to grab me a magnetic schedule? You told me to remind you.
• dave

  justincredible;1135369 wrote:I think a 40 year old Votto will still be an average first baseman, defensively.

  I don't really see fielding being an issue or really having any value in this contract. He's getting the cash to hit. All I'm saying is the last 2,3, or even 5 years having to play/practice in the field will wear on him, regardless of his conditioning. That's what will lead to the downfall in hitting, just like Rolen and most others. Win a ring in the next 5-7yrs and it's worth it, that's really all there is to it.
• dave

  The machine room grille is open to the public. It's overpriced though just like concessions, I'd suggest going to one of the newer places outside the ballpark. If you really want to go in there just grab a beer.
• Midstate01

  

  Ok well what's new outside the park. It'll be my first trip home to a reds game in 3 years.
• wildcats20

  

  Midstate01;1135757 wrote:Ok well what's new outside the park. It'll be my first trip home to a reds game in 3 years.

  Holy Grail.