Reds Trade Yonder Alonso to San Diego

• sportswizuhrd

  karen lotz;1018410 wrote:Links?

  Just one link.
  
  Click the link for Olney's twitter page and after the page loads up whatever browser you have should have the option to Find. Type in evaluator in the find/search bar that pops up.
  
  Hope this helps. :laugh:
• Sonofanump

  This. Nothing to add, just wanted to subscribe to this thread. Decent discussion on a interesting trade.
• justincredible

  

  Mulva;1018397 wrote:That's an awful lot to give up for a guy who's benefited from the most pitcher-friendly park in baseball and has some red flags attitude-wise.

  
  Prospects for a proven TOR starter. Prospects always turn out to be awesome, right?
  
  Also, his splits are fine.
• dave

  If you just look at the talent traded then sure the Padres probably got the better end. These so called experts aren't taking Votto and Mes into account. Boxberger could be great, but he could also be equal to or worse than Burton/Masset/Ondrusek. With the Cards and Brewers taking hits the time is now for the Reds.
  
  If Chapman can get this starting role figured out by June I'll be very excited.
• Azubuike24

  

  The Padres did well. However, the marginal value the Reds helps their team. Unless the Reds were going to turn around and get even more than Latos for those four, I'm not sure you can say it's a bad deal because at least 2 of these guys the Reds didn't have an immediate use for. The third, Grandal, was still blocked by a guy the Reds feel will be better (Mesoraco is MLB ready, better defensively and more highly touted than Yasmani). Like I said before, Boxberger is the guy I think the team could really use in 2 years.
• rightfield

  If he wins 18 or more games this year, do you consider it a good deal for the Reds? How many games does he need to average winning the next 4 years to consider this a good trade for Cincy? I thought the Hamilton trade was OK after the first year but soon after it looked like crap. I sure hope this turns out better than that trade.
• Azubuike24

  

  Winning games is meaningless as a pitcher. Cueto only won 9 last year but honestly, even in a shortened season (missed a month to start and end the year), he could have won 15.
• dave

  rightfield;1018565 wrote:If he wins 18 or more games this year, do you consider it a good deal for the Reds? How many games does he need to average winning the next 4 years to consider this a good trade for Cincy? I thought the Hamilton trade was OK after the first year but soon after it looked like crap. I sure hope this turns out better than that trade.

  Need to get to the postseason
• Rotinaj

  

  dave;1018616 wrote:Need to get to the postseason

  And not get embarrassed again.
• Ironman92

  

  or just have plate approaches opposite of what Dusty teaches.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Free dusty. Then we ll talk winning a playoff series or three
• SportsAndLady

  

  Dusty is not a slave..meant to be fire
• swamisez

  

  Saw Cody Ross mentioned on a trade rumor site. He can't stay healthy but if he did I think reds fans would hate him as much as Stubbs. He strikes out too frequently for consideration
• dave

  swamisez;1019393 wrote:Saw Cody Ross mentioned on a trade rumor site. He can't stay healthy but if he did I think reds fans would hate him as much as Stubbs. He strikes out too frequently for consideration

  I'll take Heisey and his small contract over Ross.
• Azubuike24

  

  swamisez;1019393 wrote:Saw Cody Ross mentioned on a trade rumor site. He can't stay healthy but if he did I think reds fans would hate him as much as Stubbs. He strikes out too frequently for consideration

  Reds projected OF:
  
  Drew Stubbs, 205 K in 604 AB = 1 every 2.94 AB
  Jay Bruce, 158 K in 585 AB = 1 every 3.70 AB
  Chris Heisey, 78 K in 279 AB = 1 every 3.58 AB
  
  Ross would be a great addition because he can hit lefties (career .919 OPS against lefties) and he only struck out every 4.22 AB's, less than the other 3 projected outfielders. Chris Heisey can't hit lefties. He hit .197 last year against lefties. He hit .271 with 17 of his 18 HR's against righties. His AB/K ratio was every 1 out of 2.54 AB's against lefties, which was significantly more frequent than his 3.58 AB's overall.
  
  Cody Ross would be a welcome upgrade over Heisey against lefties, but I agree that he definitely isn't the best option. Definitely other guys out there IMO.
• dave

  His sample size against LHP is way too small. Gomes got basically every start against one, Heisey was put in there when a dominant LHP was starting and Bruce got a day off. Not exactly a representation of what he can do, although it could be true. I think Walt wants to be done with the platoon in left, so really how a guy can hit RHP is more important since that's about 75% of what they will face.
• Azubuike24

  

  I have faith in Heisey. However, can the Reds really go into the year with those 3 as their outfield options? Can they do so without (as of yet), a proven 4th outfielder/backup?
  
  They need someone else, whether that guy is brought in to start, platoon with Heisey or strictly be a backup. I'm not as high on Dave Sappelt as some either. The guy is going to be lucky to stick in the majors. They need more depth.
• se-alum

  

  I cringe at the thought of having to watch Drew Stubbs for another year, although he does provide some good laughs trying to play any ball close to the wall in center.
• Midstate01

  

  I still have faith in Stubbs. I want him to work out because he could be a superstar! But this will be the last year I back him. If he doesn't do it this year, then I'll give up
• se-alum

  

  I hope he turns it around to, but he's shown 0 progress while he's been in Cincy.
• charliehustle14

  se-alum;1020341 wrote:I hope he turns it around to, but he's shown 0 progress while he's been in Cincy.

  I was talking to a friend and we both agreed that is what frustrates us the most about Stubbs. Seems like he's shown marginal improvement and has never made any type of adjustments since he's been in the majors.
• dave

  Bruce needs to show some progress. If he can be consistent they can figure out some mix of Heisey/Sappelt/Stubbs in left and center. Walt said at Redsfest he didn't want a platoon like they had with Nix and Lewis the last 2 years so take that FWIW. Sappelt getting something like 30/20/10 starts in LF/CF/RF and being a pinch runner is probably what they are envisioning for him this year.
• charliehustle14

  http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111219&content_id=26197438&vkey=news_cin&c_id=cin
  
  Kind of disappointed to hear we were talking with Kubel, but wouldn't give him the money he asked for. He just signed with the D-backs for 2 yrs/15 mil. Not that outrageous for a guy who usually goes to for 270/20 HR/80 RBI.
• Azubuike24

  

  I actually think 7.5M per for Kubel is a way-overpayment.
• se-alum

  

  charliehustle14;1021803 wrote:http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111219&content_id=26197438&vkey=news_cin&c_id=cin
  
  Kind of disappointed to hear we were talking with Kubel, but wouldn't give him the money he asked for. He just signed with the D-backs for 2 yrs/15 mil. Not that outrageous for a guy who usually goes to for 270/20 HR/80 RBI.

  Heisey projects very well against those numbers, and he's very cheap.