Jon Diebler

• Hb31187

  

  karen lotz;854348 wrote:I think Re**** tests out as the best athlete on Orlando's roster when everything measurable is factored in.

  
  O.o. You HAVE to be joking?
  
  
  Redick measures out to be the beats when you factor everything in? Not the Multiple DPOY/MVP candidate/double double machine/shot blocker.
  
  But the guy who averages 10 2 and 2 during a career year
• karen lotz

  

  Hb31187;854481 wrote:O.o. You HAVE to be joking?
  
  
  Redick measures out to be the beats when you factor everything in? Not the Multiple DPOY/MVP candidate/double double machine/shot blocker.
  
  But the guy who averages 10 2 and 2 during a career year

  
  Not joking at all. It was talked about one of the times Orlando was on TNT. I couldn't make that up if I wanted to and probably the only reason I remember it is because it made zero sense.
• Ironman92

  

  Nonetheless...regardless of his collegiate career....many believed Redick had little shot at doing much of anything in the NBA. He was very important part of a very good team's rotation. Adam Morrison was the man???
• baseball4

  

  Hb31187;853043 wrote:Might as well get accustom to being overseas. He'll be there after a year or 2 in the NBA

  
  JJ Reddick still plays in the NBA. What is different between the two of them?
• Hb31187

  

  baseball4;854547 wrote:JJ Red**** still plays in the NBA. What is different between the two of them?

  
  JJ was 5x the college player Diebler was. Redick was an all american and NPOY....Diebler struggeld to make all big 10 teams
• Hb31187

  

  karen lotz;854504 wrote:Not joking at all. It was talked about one of the times Orlando was on TNT. I couldn't make that up if I wanted to and probably the only reason I remember it is because it made zero sense.

  
  I would love to hear who thought that up then lol
• Mulva

  

  Y-Town Steelhound;853543 wrote:there are far worse defenders than him currently on NBA rosters.

  
  No there aren't.
  
  I think he could play a Steve Novak role in the NBA for awhile though.
• baseball4

  

  Hb31187;854562 wrote:JJ was 5x the college player Diebler was. Re**** was an all american and NPOY....Diebler struggeld to make all big 10 teams

  
  JJ played behind the 3 point line and played for Duke. Not exactly hard to get so much attention playing for either Duke or NC, I mean pollers and refs pretty much suck them off.
• jordo212000

  

  Horrible comparison. Wally was a really solid NBA player for a period. He was much more physical and more well rounded offensively.

  Wally also single handedly carried Miami on his shoulders when he was in college. Diebs was essentially a role player
• Ironman92

  

  Hb31187;854562 wrote:JJ was 5x the college player Diebler was. Redick was an all american and NPOY....Diebler struggeld to make all big 10 teams

  
  But the point of this thread is that Diebler won't last long at all and his skill set is not really NBA lasting.....list every award Redick won in college if you want....many believed the same of Redick. Since when did collegiate accolades equal pro success?
• Laley23

  

  baseball4;854569 wrote:JJ played behind the 3 point line and played for Duke. Not exactly hard to get so much attention playing for either Duke or NC, I mean pollers and refs pretty much suck them off.

  
  lol. Did you watch Redick in college?
• Ironman92

  

  Laley23;854635 wrote:lol. Did you watch Redick in college?

  
  I did...love Duke, but he was often given trouble when going against the longer athletic players....just like he would face in the NBA.
• Hb31187

  

  Ironman92;854613 wrote:But the point of this thread is that Diebler won't last long at all and his skill set is not really NBA lasting.....list every award Re**** won in college if you want....many believed the same of Re****. Since when did collegiate accolades equal pro success?

  
  Im not saying one equals the other. But he used Redick as an example of why Diebler would succeed in the NBA, basically saying he has the same skill set. When in reality JJ is a much much much more rounded player than Diebler and can still stroke 3's to go along with it.
• Hb31187

  

  Laley23;854635 wrote:lol. Did you watch Re**** in college?

  My thoughts exactly lol
• Laley23

  

  Ironman92;854648 wrote:I did...love Duke, but he was often given trouble when going against the longer athletic players....just like he would face in the NBA.

  
  That was not directed at you, but Baseball4 who said Redick lived behind the 3 pt line. That is just not close to true.
  
  But I will address what you are saying. He was given trouble, and so was Diebler. In fact, Diebler was no where to be found in other games when he wasnt guarded by athletic players. Redick is a MUCH better player, so his success (or just being in the league) has absolutely no bearing on anything Diebler will do.
• Ironman92

  

  Laley23;854678 wrote:That was not directed at you, but Baseball4 who said Redick lived behind the 3 pt line. That is just not close to true.
  
  But I will address what you are saying. He was given trouble, and so was Diebler. In fact, Diebler was no where to be found in other games when he wasnt guarded by athletic players. Redick is a MUCH better player, so his success (or just being in the league) has absolutely no bearing on anything Diebler will do.

  I know it wasn't meant for me.
  
  I'm not disagreeing at all....I'm still saying many people believed Redick would not have much play in the league...the experts thought he could probably find a role and the majority of the guys on these type of sites figured he would be having about 2-3 years of what Adam Morrison has done the past 2-3 years......and these same words are being said about Diebler....they may very well be true. He's got to improve his defense greatly to be any kind of regular factor....but you'd think he knows most fans believe him to not have much of a career....surely he's busting his ass to prove many wrong but most importantly...to make his dreams come true.
  
  I do understand what you guys are saying and the odds are with you....but I'm just not betting against him having a decent NBA career.
• Laley23

  

  Ironman92;854697 wrote:I know it wasn't meant for me.
  
  I'm not disagreeing at all....I'm still saying many people believed Redick would not have much play in the league...the experts thought he could probably find a role and the majority of the guys on these type of sites figured he would be having about 2-3 years of what Adam Morrison has done the past 2-3 years......and these same words are being said about Diebler....they may very well be true. He's got to improve his defense greatly to be any kind of regular factor....but you'd think he knows most fans believe him to not have much of a career....surely he's busting his ass to prove many wrong but most importantly...to make his dreams come true.
  
  I do understand what you guys are saying and the odds are with you....but I'm just not betting against him having a decent NBA career.

  
  Ok I see what you were saying, and that is true.
  
  BUT, it isnt like that has any bearing. Just because Redick proved people wrong doesnt mean Diebler will. I mean, the chances of Redick succeeding were small, and he has more than we though. But most guys dont. We cant sit here and say because Redick did it we should expect others to do it.
  
  It isnt like other guys arent out there busting ass to prove people wrong. Diebler isnt any better than they are in the work department. He isnt some kind of special kid who wil outwork everyone in the world. Again, the odds are he doesnt make it. Doesnt mean he wont, but you would be crazy (imo) to put money down at 1-1 odds.
• Mulva

  

  Redick was the 11th overall pick. I'm not sure he's really proven people wrong by being a solid role player.
• Ironman92

  

  Laley23;854703 wrote:Ok I see what you were saying, and that is true.
  
  BUT, it isnt like that has any bearing. Just because Redick proved people wrong doesnt mean Diebler will. I mean, the chances of Redick succeeding were small, and he has more than we though. But most guys dont. We cant sit here and say because Redick did it we should expect others to do it.
  
  It isnt like other guys arent out there busting ass to prove people wrong. Diebler isnt any better than they are in the work department. He isnt some kind of special kid who wil outwork everyone in the world. Again, the odds are he doesnt make it. Doesnt mean he wont, but you would be crazy (imo) to put money down at 1-1 odds.

  
  I said the odds are with you 1/1 would be silly.
• Laley23

  

  Ironman92;854804 wrote:I said the odds are with you 1/1 would be silly.

  
  Naw, cause you don't know my work ethic! Lol.
  
  But seriously, I said 1-1 odds are bad based on how many guys like Diebler fail.
• Prescott

  That was not directed at you, but Baseball4 who said Re**** lived behind the 3 pt line. That is just not close to true.

  I guess it depends on your definition of living behind the line. Over his 4 year duke career Redick had 1906 field goal attempts. 1126 of those attempts were 3 point shots. That means 59% of his shots were behind the line. Is that living behind the line?
  

  I think Re**** tests out as the best athlete on Orlando's roster when everything measurable is factored in.

  I don't think so. Redick has worked hard to make himself into a good role player in the NBA, but his he has not made himself into the best athlete on Orlando's roster.
  
  
  http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=2006&source=All&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=2&sort=
  
  My take Diebler is that he is closer to Korver or Kapono than he is to Redick.
• Laley23

  

  Prescott;855017 wrote:I guess it depends on your definition of living behind the line. Over his 4 year duke career Redick had 1906 field goal attempts. 1126 of those attempts were 3 point shots. That means 59% of his shots were behind the line. Is that living behind the line?

  Give me all the stats you want. I watched Redick live behind the line as a Freshman and Sophomore. Unlike most shooters, including Diebler, he really worked on his game and was a complete player his last 2 years, especially as a Senior.
  
  Korver and Kapono are twice the player Diebler is as well. But I do like the comparison with those 2 a lot more.
• Laley23

  

  Prescott;855017 wrote:I guess it depends on your definition of living behind the line. Over his 4 year duke career Redick had 1906 field goal attempts. 1126 of those attempts were 3 point shots. That means 59% of his shots were behind the line. Is that living behind the line?

  Give me all the stats you want. I watched Redick live behind the line as a Freshman and Sophomore. Unlike most shooters, including Diebler, he really worked on his game and was a complete player his last 2 years, especially as a Senior.
  
  Korver and Kapono are twice the player Diebler is as well. But I do like the comparison with those 2 a lot more.
• Prescott

  Give me all the stats you want.

  We all watched Redick and while he did go to the basket more during his last two years he didn't go there to finish and he didn't go there often He went there to draw fouls, It was very similar to what Diebler did this year.
  
  The stats don't lie . His junior year he took 495 shots. 300 of those shots were 3 pointers. His senior year he took 643 shots. 330 of those shots were 3 pointers.So, he took 1138 shots his last two years at duke.620 were 3 pointers. That means 55% of his shots were behind the arc. I would say that Redick lived behind the arc.
• Hb31187

  

  620 2 pointers are probably 4x as many as Diebler took from 2 in all 4 years combined. There is absolutely no doubt that JJ has a much much much more rounded game than Diebler