NBA Finals: LeBron and the Heat vs. Dirk and the Mavericks

• Automatik

  

  Al Bundy;794469 wrote:It is funny to hear the national media talk about LeBron going MIA like it is some big mystery. The guy has done this his entire career. Why would it magically change now?

  
  Do you REALLY believe he has done that his "entire" career? The only time I can recall that he has flat out sucked was of course....game 5 against Boston last year. People are quick to forget the year before when he was the man against Orlando with zero help.
  
  If Miami would have won last night this thread wouldn't exist. I think a lot of people think that Dallas is some push over when they are a damn good team.
• BR1986FB

  enigmaax;794477 wrote:Series over. Mavs in 6.

  
  I can't see this. It's vital that Dallas takes a 3-2 lead going into Miami and if that happens I think it goes 7. Anybody's guess who wins that game.
• like_that

  

  Y-Town Steelhound;794235 wrote:By the way, anyone still saying that this is LeBron's team? Wade is clearly showing in this Finals who wears the pants...just sayin'

  +1.
  

  SportsAndLady;794465 wrote:Unforunately, robj just sounds like us Cleveland fans about 3 or 4 years ago, when we first started to realize Lebron goes MIA (no pun intended) when it really matters. "But he does other things so well!" we would say. The only difference is, Wade can carry them to a title, Mo Williams and crew could not.

  
  In our defense, he fooled us with his game 5 performance vs the pistons in the ECF. Ever since then, he really hasn't risen to the occasion.
• Crimson streak

  

  Dirk is carrying this team on his shoulders right now. If he can get help from anyone Dallas should win game 5.
• BR1986FB

  like_that;794491 wrote:Ever since then, he really hasn't risen to the occasion.

  
  But Delonte did and THAT'S when the trouble started.
• Y-Town Steelhound

  

  Ironman92;794473 wrote:It's series on.....
  
  Will Dirk and Kidd and some other oldies finally get theirs? They damn well might and karma is certainly on their side. If Dallas goes on to win hopefully Dirk will get more credit than time spent on the Miami duo.
  
  That being said.....NOW is clutch time.....games 1-4 are all very meaningful and LeBron is in danger of extreme criticism....but whoever is huge in the remaining games will be the star of the series. The Heat aren't here without LeBron taking over many times before the Dallas series.....and right now they aretied without him being his usual....even though Wade has been great. Wade was not doing much against the Bulls but LeBron played very well and they won the series easily.
  
  If Wade continues to play like he has and LeBron is not doing well......Dirk will be the finals MVP..........If LeBron steps it up a touch and Wade continues strong....Wade will be teh finals MVP....BUT....if LeBron throws in a couple of 36/11/8 games including taking over a 4th qtr in crunch time like he has.....LeBron will still be the MVP of this series.
  
  Will be fun to watch. It's amazing how the media and most are overlooking Dallas. It's 2-2 and you have to figure 80+ % of the country is pulling for Dallas....but all the talk is LeBron having some less than average games.

  
  I would think it would be incredibly difficult for LBJ to win series MVP at this point unless Wade has a complete meltdown these last few games. He's been brilliant the entire series whereas James had an 8 point game.
• Automatik

  

  like_that;794491 wrote:+1.
  
  
  
  In our defense, he fooled us with his game 5 performance vs the pistons in the ECF. Ever since then, he really hasn't risen to the occasion.

  
  What about against Orlando in '09?
• Al Bundy

  Automatik;794483 wrote:Do you REALLY believe he has done that his "entire" career? The only time I can recall that he has flat out sucked was of course....game 5 against Boston last year. People are quick to forget the year before when he was the man against Orlando with zero help.
  
  If Miami would have won last night this thread wouldn't exist. I think a lot of people think that Dallas is some push over when they are a damn good team.

  
  I don't think either of these teams are great teams. It just happens to be a very down time in the NBA, and one of them has to be the best in a down season. Up until this point, I think LeBron has caved when the pressure gets high. He is still only 26, and he has time to change that.
• hoops23

  

  robj55;794214 wrote:not trying to spin anything, just stating that there is more to offense than just scoring, but for them to win he needs to get at least 20 or 25 a game

  
  Yes, there is more to the game...
  
  Like not turning the ball over. His stat line was TERRIBLE and he played some terrible defense as well.. Look at how many wide open shots Jason Terry got in the 4th. Hell, at one point, JT drove right by LBJ for a lay-up.
• Pick6

  

  hoops23;794563 wrote:Yes, there is more to the game...
  
  Like not turning the ball over. His stat line was TERRIBLE and he played some terrible defense as well.. Look at how many wide open shots Jason Terry got in the 4th. Hell, at one point, JT drove right by LBJ for a lay-up.

  
  shawn marion did work on james as well 1 on 1
• Heretic

  

  BR1986FB;794499 wrote:But Delonte did and THAT'S when the trouble started.

  LOL to infinity.
  

  hoops23;794563 wrote:Yes, there is more to the game...
  
  Like not turning the ball over. His stat line was TERRIBLE and he played some terrible defense as well.. Look at how many wide open shots Jason Terry got in the 4th. Hell, at one point, JT drove right by LBJ for a lay-up.

  
  This to infinity. The thing SQ never would try to understand about his Game 6 performance against Boston last year. Yes, he had a triple-double. Yes, 19 rebounds is a pretty damn awesome night on the boards. Yes, he was the team's best player that night. No, shooting 8-21 from the field is not good...it's getting points via volume shooting like people ragged on Kobe for during the peak of the LBJ-vs-Mamba wars. No, 10 assists isn't overly noteworthy when there's also 9 turnovers.
• Al Bundy

  Heretic;794634 wrote:LOL to infinity.
  
  
  
  This to infinity. The thing SQ never would try to understand about his Game 6 performance against Boston last year. Yes, he had a triple-double. Yes, 19 rebounds is a pretty damn awesome night on the boards. Yes, he was the team's best player that night. No, shooting 8-21 from the field is not good...it's getting points via volume shooting like people ragged on Kobe for during the peak of the LBJ-vs-Mamba wars. No, 10 assists isn't overly noteworthy when there's also 9 turnovers.

  The all-time great players make those around them better. LeBron doesn't do that on offense. His teams are terrible in a half-court offense because he is more interested in firing up bad jumpers than running an offense. I have followed the NBA for about 30 years and the two worst half-court offenses that I have seen in the finals are the 2007 Cavs and this years heat.
• Ironman92

  

  Every game is is greater..... big games in wins in games 5-7 will outweigh games 1-4
  
  but it is set up for DWade with his great start to the series.......but if Dallas decides to focus more on Wade then it will be more open for LeBron to win the MVP.
  
  ........go check out vbookie....I'm going to do a NBA Finals MVP thread
• Skyhook79

  

  Lost in the whole Lebron disappearing act in Game 4 is the fact that Jason Kidd did not score a point and he had only 3 assists and 4 turnovers in nearly 40 minutes of play.
  Actually Jason Kidd has sucked the whole series Averaging 6 ppg, 6 apg, 5 rpg and 4 turnover a game.
  But at least he has a excuse he is 38.
• Laley23

  

  Skyhook79;794713 wrote:Lost in the whole Lebron disappearing act in Game 4 is the fact that Jason Kidd did not score a point and he had only 3 assists and 4 turnovers in nearly 40 minutes of play.
  Actually Jason Kidd has sucked the whole series Averaging 6 ppg, 6 apg, 5 rpg and 4 turnover a game.
  But at least he has a excuse he is 38.

  
  He was also giving it to Terry and Berea for MOST of the game before they even got across halfcourt cause they were able to penetrate better. He wasnt really running the show as he usually does, so the assists will be down.
• robj55

  

  Rotinaj;794279 wrote:Just stop with this whole "there is more than just scoring on the offensive end" garbage. Lebron didnt drop 15 dimes and get 7 offensive boards. He had 7 assists(which is his career average by the way) and 3 offensive rebounds. By Lebrons standards he played TERRIBLE yesterday and that is a FACT.

  
  if you know basketball then you know scoring is only one part of offense, was my only point
• robj55

  

  Automatik;794483 wrote:Do you REALLY believe he has done that his "entire" career? The only time I can recall that he has flat out sucked was of course....game 5 against Boston last year. People are quick to forget the year before when he was the man against Orlando with zero help.
  
  If Miami would have won last night this thread wouldn't exist. I think a lot of people think that Dallas is some push over when they are a damn good team.

  
  He didn't show up for one game and now people say he has disappeared his whole career, smh. He is the most criticized player ever and it's ridiculous.
• SportsAndLady

  

  robj55;794813 wrote:He didn't show up for one game

  
  This solidifies that you are in fact 15 years old.
• robj55

  

  Al Bundy;794646 wrote:The all-time great players make those around them better. LeBron doesn't do that on offense. His teams are terrible in a half-court offense because he is more interested in firing up bad jumpers than running an offense. I have followed the NBA for about 30 years and the two worst half-court offenses that I have seen in the finals are the 2007 Cavs and this years heat.

  
  This is so wrong I don't know where to begin, Lebron James doesn;t make players better on offense, jesus i've heard it all.
• robj55

  

  SportsAndLady;794832 wrote:This solidifies that you are in fact 15 years old.

  
  The only come backs you ever have are insults, showing your lack of knowledge of basketball, but keep up the good work bro
• robj55

  

  Automatik;794504 wrote:What about against Orlando in '09?

  
  He averaged 38.5 points, 8.3 rebounds, 8 assists and a steal and a block a game, people only comment on the negative.
• SportsAndLady

  

  robj55;794845 wrote:The only come backs you ever have are insults, showing your lack of knowledge of basketball, but keep up the good work bro

  
  We've proven to you time and time again that he has disappeared in big playoff games, you just refuse to listen. Because you are 15 and don't know much about Cavalier Lebron, you only know Heat Lebron.
• Al Bundy

  robj55;794844 wrote:This is so wrong I don't know where to begin, Lebron James doesn;t make players better on offense, jesus i've heard it all.

  
  He doesn't. All he does is fire up bad shots in a half-court set. He refuses to play in the post where he could help an offense.
• Automatik

  

  SportsAndLady;794907 wrote:We've proven to you time and time again that he has disappeared in big playoff games, you just refuse to listen. Because you are 15 and don't know much about Cavalier Lebron, you only know Heat Lebron.

  
  Besides game 5 against Boston, what other games big games as a Cav did he fail to show up?
• Automatik

  

  Al Bundy;794959 wrote:He doesn't. All he does is fire up bad shots in a half-court set. He refuses to play in the post where he could help an offense.

  
  Refuses or not part of the game plan? I understand the dislike for LeBron, but some of these statements are so off the wall its comical. Emotional dislike is getting in the way of wtf is actually going on ON THE COURT.
  
  LeBron absolutely makes others around him better, that is one of his major strong points.