Random MLB chatter

• Ironman92

  

  I'm with dave...especially against the Phillies teams aren't going to move up their rotations often becasue they are loaded with #1's
  
  Often the Phillies will be on say game #58 and their opponents are on game 56 or 60.....
• dave

  karen lotz;802777 wrote:I dunno, for the most part 1s usually match up with 1s, its just the way it works out. 5th starters will often get skipped in the rotation if there is an offday that would normally push everyone back a day. They try to keep the top guys on the same amount of rest.

  about half the teams started on a thursday and half on friday so that already messed up everything for the #1s. Just wait til the end of the year and look at everything. The first few starts of the year and first few after the break will this idea will hold true, but after that it's just coincidence.
• karen lotz

  

  I understand that, but a majority of the teams that started the season on Thursday were off Friday. Either way, teams used their first 3 starters in the opening series, which ended on Sunday. (I know there may have been a few 4 game opening series, but there weren't many.) I do know that the Braves have had off days fall where they have skipped their 5th starter for 3 straight turns through the rotation. I don't know what each team has done with their off days/5th starters, but I would guess the majority keep their first 4 on regular rest and the 5th guy is often skipped.
• dave

  if they started on thursday, 1s would pitch thurs, tues, sun etc. if they started on fri 1s would pitch fri, wed, mon etc. That's why I said only 1s would be messed up. just wait til the end of the year.
  
  look at a guy like CC who is out there every 5th no matter what. i bet he's faced plenty of back end guys as well as aces.
• Ironman92

  

  the info is out there I'm guessing for both of you to prove your points.....I guess the telling argument would be who Hamels has pitched against all year.
• Laley23

  

  I know CC has faced Beckett 3 times already. In 2007 he beat Johan Santana 4 times I think.
  
  Id guess a #1 faces a #1 and #2 close to 70% of the starts. Then a #3 15% a #4 10% and #5 5%.
• dave

  Beckett started the 4th game for the BoSox this year, it was the Indians home opener. Pure luck they matched up 3 times.
• karen lotz

  

  Its definitely not pure luck.
• riders1

  

  Hamels 14 starts 9 W, 2 L, 3 ND
  APRIL
  Curt Young L
  Lowe W
  A.Sanchez ND
  Richard W
  Saunders W
  
  MAY
  L.Hernandez W
  Jurgens L
  Beachy ND
  Del a Rosa W
  Arroyo W
  Pelfrey W
  
  JUNE
  Karstens ND
  Kuroda W
  Volstad W
• Laley23

  

  riders1;803033 wrote:Hamels 14 starts 9 W, 2 L, 3 ND
  APRIL
  Curt Young L
  Lowe W
  A.Sanchez ND
  Richard W
  Saunders W
  
  MAY
  L.Hernandez W
  Jurgens L
  Beachy ND
  Del a Rosa W
  Arroyo W
  Pelfrey W
  
  JUNE
  Karstens ND
  Kuroda W
  Volstad W

  
  Id say Jair is the only guy above Cole on the depth chart, and you can argue he is the #3 (Hanson and Hudson). Sanchez is also probably the #3 for Florida, maybe #2.
• Ironman92

  

  Does that figure only into the win/loss column though?
  
  Doesn't affect the other stats at all...if anything one could slightly argue that facing a top pitcher gets you a little more up and focused for the contest.
  
  Felix Hernandez won the CY by completely ignoring the win/loss column. I hate to ignore the stat cause a starting pitchers job is to win..and preferably eat up 7 or 8 innings in doing so.
• Laley23

  

  Ironman92;803282 wrote:Does that figure only into the win/loss column though?
  
  Doesn't affect the other stats at all...if anything one could slightly argue that facing a top pitcher gets you a little more up and focused for the contest.
  
  Felix Hernandez won the CY by completely ignoring the win/loss column. I hate to ignore the stat cause a starting pitchers job is to win..and preferably eat up 7 or 8 innings in doing so.

  
  Oh I agree with that. My whole point was Cole was already an Ace for most teams, and he would have the numbers anyway. But now he will get maybe 20-25 wins because he is facing pitchers the Phils will eat up. I figured hed have the most wins, with comparable numbers to the other 3...which would be a direct correlation to who he faced, imo.
• BigAppleBuckeye

  

  karen lotz;802639 wrote:Braves waste a HR from the MVP candidate and fall to Jon Niese and the Mets. Atlanta rolled out a lineup made up of mostly AA players, with a couple big leagues sprinkled in. 3 out of 8 opening day starters were in the line up today. Not good.

  
  The Mets roll out a lineup of AA players on a daily basis, yet somehow find themselves only 4.5 games out of the wild card! Amazing that this team may actually be in contention when we get David Wright, Ike Davis and Johan Santana back next month (fingers crossed).
• Ironman92

  

  If he does...he deserves it. Hamels did his stuff all the way to the end of the World Series.
  
  No one will win 20+ and not deserve it.
  
  Except maybe the extreme steroid year cheater Clemens went 20-3 and 7 of his wins were against the atrocious Devil Rays....that same year Mike Mussina was nearly as good but never got any run support like Clemens and didn't get to feast on the Devil Rays and I think went 17-7 and not even considered in the Cy debate.
• Ironman92

  

  The Mets roll when Jose Reyes is playing full go good....and he is.
• Ironman92

  

  In 2001 Mussina and Clemens were both on the Yankees
  
  Mussina had more innings, more strikeouts, lower ERA, gave up fewer hits, way fewer walks, way lower WHIP and 3 shutouts compared to Clemens 0
  
  Clemens won the CY and Mussina was 5th or 6th....I really wish they looked deeper into the stats back then.
  
  Records that year: Clemens 20-3 (3.51)
  
  Mussina 17-11 (3.19)
• Heretic

  

  Florida: they've completely collapsed. They were right there with the Phillies and ahead of the Braves just a few weeks ago. Currently, they're 32-34, Josh Johnson has been put on the 60-day DL and they're currently losing 8-1 to the Phillies thanks to a starting pitcher who needed 92 pitches to struggle through three innings of eight-run ball because he walked five and gave up five hits. EDIT: He also hit one guy.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Yeah Florida is tanking, fast. Surprising, I thought they'd be there til the end
  
  Obviously that was dumb as shiz
• Tiger2003

  

  The Phillies have homered 6 times in two games vs the Fish, 5 of which came in the 1st games. Game 3 is being played tonight as part of a day night doubleheader.
  
  The Fish have only scored 2 runs while the Phillies have touched home plate 17 times.
• Ironman92

  

  Pudge Rodriguez is 3/4 in today's rout of the Cardinals....how long before the Giants come calling?
• karen lotz

  

  Ironman92;804027 wrote:Pudge Rodriguez is 3/4 in today's rout of the Cardinals....how long before the Giants come calling?

  
  11 hours.
• Ironman92

  

  You are so sarcastic...pisses me off, people like you
• karen lotz

  

  Ironman92;804081 wrote:You are so sarcastic...pisses me off, people like you

  
  
  QQ
• Ironman92

  

  Scott Rolen's hit last night put him past Dusty Baker on the career hit list. 1982 to 1981
• Ironman92

  

  karen lotz;804159 wrote:QQ

  
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