Pat Shurmur to Cleveland?

• QuakerOats

  Good thoughts, Writerbuckeye. Heck, I like going to high school games more than even college, let alone pro.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Writerbuckeye;637333 wrote:I have no idea whether this is a good move or not -- and I was not a fan of firing Mangini after only two years. I wanted them to revamp the offensive coaching and leave the rest alone for the sake of continuity. Changing coaches every few years will never get you a winning team.
  
  Now it looks like we are officially rebuilding once again.
  
  A new coach, who will likely bring in almost all new coaches, including a defensive coordinator that is unlikely to run the 3-4. So we're REALLY rebuilding from scratch on that side of the ball.
  
  If they can't retain Seely as special teams coach (he's likely gone since he also held an assistant coach's title), then the loss is magnified by quite a bit more, since he had Cleveland's special teams near the top of the league during his tenure.
  
  Like all Browns fans, I want to believe Holmgren has it right and knows what he's doing here. If this turns out to be an ego move (having his guy in place instead of the owner's) or some twisted thing that came about because all these folks have the same agent, then I will likely drop the NFL like I dropped MLB about 10 years ago.
  
  After a while, you just get sick of the ineptitude and realize it's not worth the emotional toll. I'll always treasure the memories I have of learning football while watching the Browns with my father and grandfather, and the important part it played in our family during those years. But those times are long gone, and what has masqueraded as the Browns (somewhat) under Modell and definitely since "the return" hasn't been but a ghost of the proud franchise I grew up with.
  
  I pretty much lost my passion for pro football overall after the Browns were stolen. Having several years without watching one second of an NFL game, really detached me from the sport. Since 1999, I've only watched one NFL playoff game (the Browns were in it, obviously) and no other playoff games or Super Bowls. So it's not like I'm heavily invested in the league, other than watching the Browns.
  
  Honestly, I get tons more enjoyment from college sports these days than I do from anything professional, and that's not going to be changing. It's just a matter of whether I feel like investing myself in another complete rebuild or not.

  
  Writer no one really cares whether or not you root for the Browns or not...you just spent time typing all that and it literally is retarded.
• SportsAndLady

  

  QuakerOats;637348 wrote:Heck, I like going to high school games more than even college, let alone pro.

  
  COOL! Then go chat about high school sports or college sports and GTFO of this thread!
• Writerbuckeye

  

  SportsAndLady;637352 wrote:Writer no one really cares whether or not you root for the Browns or not...you just spent time typing all that and it literally is retarded.

  
  If it truly were retarded, then you'd be the first to know.
• Jester

  

  John Fox was hired by the Broncos to be their head coach, so he's out as a potential coordinator.
  
  Also, let's all thank S&L for his valuable contributions to this thread.
• OQB

  

  QuakerOats;637348 wrote:Good thoughts, Writerbuckeye. Heck, I like going to high school games more than even college, let alone pro.

  
  I like watching all levels of sports, but there is just something about Friday nights that gets me fired up. I just enjoy watching players play their hearts out for the love of the game instead of the money in the game. But like I said I enjoy watching all levels.
• CinciX12

  

  He was 26th in scoring offense with an offense that one could argue was about on pace with Cleveland. I guess Cleveland just wanted the same philosophy type guys in the front office? Because this doesn't really seem to make a lot of sense to me.
• just_a_swimmer

  

  Writerbuckeye;637333 wrote:I have no idea whether this is a good move or not -- and I was not a fan of firing Mangini after only two years. I wanted them to revamp the offensive coaching and leave the rest alone for the sake of continuity. Changing coaches every few years will never get you a winning team.
  
  Now it looks like we are officially rebuilding once again.
  
  A new coach, who will likely bring in almost all new coaches, including a defensive coordinator that is unlikely to run the 3-4. So we're REALLY rebuilding from scratch on that side of the ball.
  
  If they can't retain Seely as special teams coach (he's likely gone since he also held an assistant coach's title), then the loss is magnified by quite a bit more, since he had Cleveland's special teams near the top of the league during his tenure.
  
  Like all Browns fans, I want to believe Holmgren has it right and knows what he's doing here. If this turns out to be an ego move (having his guy in place instead of the owner's) or some twisted thing that came about because all these folks have the same agent, then I will likely drop the NFL like I dropped MLB about 10 years ago.
  
  After a while, you just get sick of the ineptitude and realize it's not worth the emotional toll. I'll always treasure the memories I have of learning football while watching the Browns with my father and grandfather, and the important part it played in our family during those years. But those times are long gone, and what has masqueraded as the Browns (somewhat) under Modell and definitely since "the return" hasn't been but a ghost of the proud franchise I grew up with.
  
  I pretty much lost my passion for pro football overall after the Browns were stolen. Having several years without watching one second of an NFL game, really detached me from the sport. Since 1999, I've only watched one NFL playoff game (the Browns were in it, obviously) and no other playoff games or Super Bowls. So it's not like I'm heavily invested in the league, other than watching the Browns.
  
  Honestly, I get tons more enjoyment from college sports these days than I do from anything professional, and that's not going to be changing. It's just a matter of whether I feel like investing myself in another complete rebuild or not.

  
  +1
• SportsAndLady

  

  I mean you're a great poster writer, but if you dont wanna be a Browns fan, then don't lol don't get on here and whine to us about the organization.
• Non

  

  everyone is entitled to an opinion on the matter
  
  writerbuckeye went about it in greater detail but I found it to be an interesting read
• shook_17

  

  CinciX12;637421 wrote:He was 26th in scoring offense with an offense that one could argue was about on pace with Cleveland. I guess Cleveland just wanted the same philosophy type guys in the front office? Because this doesn't really seem to make a lot of sense to me.

  well i guess the good thing is he isn't calling the plays. im willing to bet gil haskell will be our OC. who was john harbaugh before he was hired? who was mike smith before he went to atlanta? i had no idea. im putting all my faith into this front office. we are going to have stability for once. im excited for pat shurmur to see what he can do what colt mccoy. i just hope hes got fire in his belly. im tired of these lame duck coaches. personality wise.
  
  on a side note. why did they have eric mangini on espn to anyalize the hiring of pat shurmur? i mean eric won me over hands down, the first year i didn't trust him but he def had this team on the right track. just wrong place wrong time.. but eric is a stand up guy, he had nothing but good to say about the browns organization and our front office.
• zach24oz

  What names that are out there would be a good hire? who is an actual legit candidate for the coaching job? Jon Gurden said he didnt want to coach and enjoyed working for ESPN, I mean who did you really want them to hire? Brad Childress? Marty Morningwheg? I really didnt see anyone who would have been an impressive hire. If Rob Ryan would happen to leave, I don't really know who they would be looking at as the DC. I'm guessing they would probably switch to a 4-3 if he would leave but I dont know...and they needed to get a head coach in so they can start preparations for the upcoming draft and get the assistants in and moving on with what they want to do.
• OQB

  

  Jon Gurden? Who is he? Some no name coach I suppose!
  
  The defensive coordinator position is the next thing to get settled...If we switch to a 4-3 are defense is now in rebuilding mode instead of on the uprise. We would have to get some more bodies up front, and if we do go to a 4-3 their is no doubt in my mind we go with a DL with our first pick. I think we need to package a player or picks together to somehow get 2 first round picks, or something. We need all the talent we can get in this draft, and the odds of picking a pro bowler in round 6-7 is highly doubtful.
  
  I'd like to see us trade Vickers away, the FB is not a main priority in the West coast offense and he has high trade value. We could also trade Rogers away and get an early 2-3 round pick.
  
  I look for us to try and get as many draft picks as we can....
• Writerbuckeye

  

  SportsAndLady;637483 wrote:I mean you're a great poster writer, but if you dont wanna be a Browns fan, then don't lol don't get on here and whine to us about the organization.

  
  Reading is fundamental. I never said I didn't want to be a fan.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  shook_17;637603 wrote:well i guess the good thing is he isn't calling the plays. im willing to bet gil haskell will be our OC. who was john harbaugh before he was hired? who was mike smith before he went to atlanta? i had no idea. im putting all my faith into this front office. we are going to have stability for once. im excited for pat shurmur to see what he can do what colt mccoy. i just hope hes got fire in his belly. im tired of these lame duck coaches. personality wise.
  
  on a side note. why did they have eric mangini on espn to anyalize the hiring of pat shurmur? i mean eric won me over hands down, the first year i didn't trust him but he def had this team on the right track. just wrong place wrong time.. but eric is a stand up guy, he had nothing but good to say about the browns organization and our front office.

  
  Actually, the word is that Shurmur IS going to be calling the plays. An OC would be used for game planning and assist, but would not be the primary one calling plays. That will be the head coach. It's being reported by Jim Donovan, sportscaster out of Cleveland.
• bases_loaded

  

  Is Donovan on CBS 19? 19 is shit for sports news.
• THE4RINGZ

  

  Donovan is on 3.
• hoops23

  

  Yeah, Donovan is WKYC 3 and also STO.
• hoops23

  

  As for the hire, I actually like it.
  
  If you followed the sports talk or twitter feeds from the time of the announcement on, it was nothing but high regards for Shurmur.
  
  He seems like a very intelligent guy and a great football mind. He's also great with QB's, which is good news for Colt McCoy.
  
  As for the rebuilding remarks, eh..
  
  We've been rebuilding, but we're still only a good offseason away. Switching to a 4-3 isn't a big deal, as our defense as is, is probably better equipped for a 4-3 anyway. Rogers and Rubin could both line up at DT then and our LB's aren't blitzing LB's anyway.
  
  We've seen before though that team with even worse records than the Browns, have hired completely new staffs and turned it around the next season, some even making the playoffs.
• DeyDurkie5

  

  SportsAndLady;637483 wrote:I mean you're a great poster writer, but if you dont wanna be a Browns fan, then don't lol don't get on here and whine to us about the organization.

  
  i mean in all fairness to writer, it was a pretty dumb hire
• Red Saul

  

  Does Shurmur have the same agent as Holmgren and the GM?
  
  That might have had something to do with him getting the job here.
• HeathAlum21

  Red Saul;637840 wrote:Does Shurmur have the same agent as Holmgren and the GM?
  
  That might have had something to do with him getting the job here.

  
  Shurmur's uncle used to be DC when Holmgren was HC. The relationship has been there for a long time (something like 40 years?) He is definitely part of his coaching tree.
• shook_17

  

  Writerbuckeye;637710 wrote:Actually, the word is that Shurmur IS going to be calling the plays. An OC would be used for game planning and assist, but would not be the primary one calling plays. That will be the head coach. It's being reported by Jim Donovan, sportscaster out of Cleveland.

  
  i watched bruce drennan last night and he said that.. i was kinda surprised, not going to lie. but im will to bet gil haskell or even mike will help him with the offense. i mean why wouldn't they?
• Footwedge

  Writerbuckeye;637333 wrote:I have no idea whether this is a good move or not -- and I was not a fan of firing Mangini after only two years. I wanted them to revamp the offensive coaching and leave the rest alone for the sake of continuity. Changing coaches every few years will never get you a winning team.
  
  Now it looks like we are officially rebuilding once again.
  
  A new coach, who will likely bring in almost all new coaches, including a defensive coordinator that is unlikely to run the 3-4. So we're REALLY rebuilding from scratch on that side of the ball.
  
  If they can't retain Seely as special teams coach (he's likely gone since he also held an assistant coach's title), then the loss is magnified by quite a bit more, since he had Cleveland's special teams near the top of the league during his tenure.
  
  Like all Browns fans, I want to believe Holmgren has it right and knows what he's doing here. If this turns out to be an ego move (having his guy in place instead of the owner's) or some twisted thing that came about because all these folks have the same agent, then I will likely drop the NFL like I dropped MLB about 10 years ago.

  To the Browns fans of the late fifties and early 60's...this post rekindles a spark in our eyes. Extremely well written WB....and your Browns nostalgia mirrors that of my own childhood. Those that are 40 and younger....do not understand the proud history of our team.
  
  
  
  After a while, you just get sick of the ineptitude and realize it's not worth the emotional toll. I'll always treasure the memories I have of learning football while watching the Browns with my father and grandfather, and the important part it played in our family during those years. But those times are long gone, and what has masqueraded as the Browns (somewhat) under Modell and definitely since "the return" hasn't been but a ghost of the proud franchise I grew up with.
  
  I pretty much lost my passion for pro football overall after the Browns were stolen. Having several years without watching one second of an NFL game, really detached me from the sport. Since 1999, I've only watched one NFL playoff game (the Browns were in it, obviously) and no other playoff games or Super Bowls. So it's not like I'm heavily invested in the league, other than watching the Browns.
  
  Honestly, I get tons more enjoyment from college sports these days than I do from anything professional, and that's not going to be changing. It's just a matter of whether I feel like investing myself in another complete rebuild or not.[/QUOTE]
• Footwedge

  My quote feature is not working....but my responce is to WB.
  
  Outstanding piece written..and you share the sentiments of all those Browns fans that date back to the glory years. Browns fans that are 45 years of age and younger do not always know that the Browns of the late 40's 50's and 60's were perennial powerhouses.
  
  WB, your nostalgic references tn your father and grandfather mirrors that of my own family life. A memory that will be forever cherished... sitting with my older brother at the 64 title game....as an 11 year old kid....watching the under talented Browns destroy the heavily favored Colts on a cold, blistery afternoon.