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Cliff Lee WILL NOT Be a Yankee or a Ranger....Headed back to Philly

  • Laley23
    What has Hughes ever done that makes him anything more than a #3?

    Sabathia is an Ace, that is worse than BOTH Lee and Haladay. Hughes would be the 5th starter on that team, same with Pettitte. Hughes is getting by on a phenomenal first half of the year. Then teams realized he has a fastball and thats about it and he couldnt put anyone away when he had 2 strikes.

    Burnett is a 5 starter on the Phils as well. He is nothing but a .500 pitcher, and his career record and numbers show it. He wont be over 5 era again, but he isnt going to be all that much better. He just isnt that great of a pitcher.
  • jordo212000
    like_that;600823 wrote:As for the move itself, lol at Jordo saying the system is just fine. Oh wait let me guess, here comes an NBA comparison.

    What is wrong with the system? haha Oh and I don't know why you get butt-hurt about the NBA comparison. It is called benchmarking.

    You always think everybody signs with the Yanks and Sawks, but that obviously hasn't happened this offseason (Werth to Nats, Lee to Phils). I maintain that anybody can spend any dollar amount that they want, they just won't earn a profit. Which is what a number of teams are obviously more worried about.

    You always seem to suggest that the Yanks and Sawks are the ones playing in the World Series every year. Once again, false. Giants played the Rangers this year.

    You suggest that people do not care about baseball, nor are they watching. Once again not true. Baseball is rolling in the cash. The horrible Pirates made multimillions over the past couple of years. (NBA is hemorrhaging money right now )

    You ignore that other leagues have less parity than baseball. You also continue to ignore that every league has haves and have-nots.

    I could keep going, but it is hopeless. You'll believe what you want to believe and you will ignore what you want to ignore.
  • like_that
    jordo212000;601217 wrote:What is wrong with the system? haha Oh and I don't know why you get butt-hurt about the NBA comparison. It is called benchmarking.

    You always think everybody signs with the Yanks and Sawks, but that obviously hasn't happened this offseason (Werth to Nats, Lee to Phils). I maintain that anybody can spend any dollar amount that they want, they just won't earn a profit. Which is what a number of teams are obviously more worried about.

    You always seem to suggest that the Yanks and Sawks are the ones playing in the World Series every year. Once again, false. Giants played the Rangers this year.

    You suggest that people do not care about baseball, nor are they watching. Once again not true. Baseball is rolling in the cash. The horrible Pirates made multimillions over the past couple of years. (NBA is hemorrhaging money right now )

    You ignore that other leagues have less parity than baseball. You also continue to ignore that every league has haves and have-nots.

    I could keep going, but it is hopeless. You'll believe what you want to believe and you will ignore what you want to ignore.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3BcIm5d6Pk&t=0m42s
  • Ironman92
    Those 4 studs could very well go the whole season with a 4 man rotation.....Good God.
  • jordo212000

    That's a really well thought out rebuttal there. I'm not surprised though. I have to admit that this is the "best" rebuttal you've had yet.
  • like_that
    jordo212000;601311 wrote:That's a really well thought out rebuttal there. I'm not surprised though. I have to admit that this is the "best" rebuttal you've had yet.

    I am sure it is the only one you haven't read with your ass. All you do is give me the exact same response. Enjoy watching the MLB lose viewers and fans each season until they bring a salary cap structure.
  • SportsAndLady
    like_that;600823 wrote:S&L continuing with his great contributions!!!!!!!

    As for the move itself, lol at Jordo saying the system is just fine. Oh wait let me guess, here comes an NBA comparison.

    You must not realize how bad of a poster tiger is...it's okay
  • jordo212000
    That's a really well thought out rebuttal there. I'm not surprised though. I have to admit that this is the "best" rebuttal you've had yet.

    I am sure it is the only one you haven't read with your ass. All you do is give me the exact same response. Enjoy watching the MLB lose viewers and fans each season until they bring a salary cap structure.
    You have literally posted nothing of substance through all of this back and forth. The main thing you say is "you can't compare baseball to the NBA" haha. That's been your main argument all along.
  • like_that
    jordo212000;601399 wrote:You have literally posted nothing of substance through all of this back and forth. The main thing you say is "you can't compare baseball to the NBA" haha. That's been your main argument all along.

    Thanks for proving my point that you are reading with your ass. My first few rebuttals were a couple paragraphs long. Of course you choose to get your panties in a bunch because your idiotic NBA argument is irrelevant.
  • jordo212000
    like_that;601509 wrote:because your idiotic NBA argument is irrelevant.

    Why is it irrelevant? They are a professional sports league. What else am I supposed to compare it to?
  • Commander of Awesome

    lmao pwned. Funny because its true, he just repeats himself using different words, but his "point" is the same.
  • like_that
    jordo212000;601598 wrote:Why is it irrelevant? They are a professional sports league. What else am I supposed to compare it to?

    http://www.ohiochatter.com/forum/threads/20494-Carl-Crawford-signs-7-year-142-million-deal-with-Boston-Red-Sox?p=595168&viewfull=1#post595168
  • lhslep134
    jordo212000;601217 wrote:
    You always think everybody signs with the Yanks and Sawks, but that obviously hasn't happened this offseason (Werth to Nats, Lee to Phils). .
    So you think that Werth signing with the Nats is a sign that the Yankees and Sawks can't sign anybody they want? That alone tells me all I need to know....


    Werth's contract is one of the worst in baseball and something that neither Cashman or Epstein is stupid enough to do, only a terrible team like the Nats throws too much money at mediocre players.

    Cliff Lee is the first player I've seen the Sox or Yanks truly want that they couldn't get, and he's the exception not the rule.
  • lhslep134

    That was a great post dude, and spot on.
  • jordo212000
    lhslep134;601792 wrote:So you think that Werth signing with the Nats is a sign that the Yankees and Sawks can't sign anybody they want? That alone tells me all I need to know....


    Werth's contract is one of the worst in baseball and something that neither Cashman or Epstein is stupid enough to do, only a terrible team like the Nats throws too much money at mediocre players.

    Yeah, that's my point. Any team can sign anybody they want. Sure they may have to overpay, but they still have that opportunity. Whether or not they choose to is up to them
  • jordo212000
    Commander of Awesome;601623 wrote:lmao pwned. Funny because its true, he just repeats himself using different words, but his "point" is the same.

    Another "outstanding" contribution
  • lhslep134
    jordo212000;601945 wrote:Yeah, that's my point. Any team can sign anybody they want. Sure they may have to overpay, but they still have that opportunity. Whether or not they choose to is up to them

    No, they can't.

    PRIME free agents only go to teams with top 4 payrolls, and that now includes the Phillies.

    Since when does 4 teams=30 teams???? This must be a new development.


    Name me the last great free agent to go to a team outside of a top 4 payroll (at the time) team. And Jayson Werth is far from great.
  • jordo212000
    lhslep134;601966 wrote:No, they can't.

    PRIME free agents only go to teams with top 4 payrolls, and that now includes the Phillies.

    Since when does 4 teams=30 teams???? This must be a new development..

    Sure they can. There is no salary cap. If they want to outspend the Yankees and Sox they can. But they don't. Teams are more interested in pocketing the loose change. I have no problem with a player playing where he "wants" to play.

    NBA teams who have legit chance of winning title
    2009
    Cavs
    Lakers
    Celtics
    Magic

    2010
    Lakers
    Heat
    Celtics
    Magic
    Thunder

    ^ A handful of great teams exists in plenty of other leagues too. Nobody says a word.
  • thedynasty1998
    I think both sides of this argument are somewhat correct. The Indians used to have a high payroll, but have since changed their philosophy. They are more concerned now with profiting, and they do that by cutting payroll and collecting the revenue sharing. If they chose to, which they could, they could compete with the others.

    Sure the Yankees and Red Sox bring in the most revenue therefore can spend more. But in baseballs current system, the small market teams profit more by collecting from the revenue sharing.

    I know Joe Mauer wasn't a free agent, but the Twins anted up, and most didn't expect that from them.

    But yes, in the current system, the larger market teams have a big advantage because of the revenue they bring in. It's basic economics.
  • Commander of Awesome
    jordo212000;601989 wrote:Sure they can. There is no salary cap. If they want to outspend the Yankees and Sox they can. But they don't. Teams are more interested in pocketing the loose change. I have no problem with a player playing where he "wants" to play.

    NBA teams who have legit chance of winning title
    2009
    Cavs
    Lakers
    Celtics
    Magic

    2010
    Lakers
    Heat
    Celtics
    Magic
    Thunder

    ^ A handful of great teams exists in plenty of other leagues too. Nobody says a word.
    Nice opinion, glad we know who you think are the title favorites in basketball. And way to bring up the NBA again, lolfail. Keep spinning your tires, its going nowhere.
  • trep14
    I think Jordo has some valid points. I for one, wouldn't be opposed to a salary cap being instituted in baseball, but I also don't think its broken with the current system. I mean the fact of the matter is you are always going to have teams that are contenders every year and those that suck in all sports. Think of all the teams not named the Red Sox/Yankees that don't do very much yet still spend a ton of money. You don't hear anyone complaining about the Mets or the Cubs. And like Jordo said, there are the haves and the have nots in all sports. I know everyone is busting his balls for providing examples involving the NBA, but the fact of the matter is, the NBA has a salary cap and we still see the big market teams routinely being competitive. The Lakers and Celtics are contenders every year and have absolutely no problems attracting big time talent. Even though the NFL prides itself on parity, there are still teams that suck every year. While I think there are some merits to baseball having a salary cap I don't think that they absolutely need one. The sport is doing fine.