Michael Rosenberg of SI absolutely NAILS it with article about Cleveland and LeBron

• karen lotz

  

  I believe it was "LBJ is a bigger sellout than tonight's game"
• 2kool4skool

  

  thedynasty1998;586500 wrote:Insecurity? Really. I'm quite sure Lebron is very secure.

  
  Based on what? Nothing about his early life, or his recent actions, make me think we're looking at someone who is secure with themselves in the least.
• hoops23

  

  karen lotz;586674 wrote:I believe it was "LBJ is a bigger sellout than tonight's game"

  
  Nope, didn't see that one, but it's funny nonetheless...
  
  The one I'm bringing up was definitely a sign that took a shot at Miami's fan base and included them in the statement.
  
  It was something close to what I mentioned, but I know I don't have it exactly right.
• hoops23

  

  2kool4skool;586677 wrote:Based on what? Nothing about his early life, or his recent actions, make me think we're looking at someone who is secure with themselves in the least.

  
  Especially because he has to have a bunch of "yes men" around him at all times.
  
  The one guy within his group, his former agent Leon Rose, who stood up to him got the axe.
  
  LeBron is an immature 25 year old who thinks he knows everything and that the decisions/things he says is how it should be.
• Y-Town Steelhound

  

  I saw a sign last night that someone made in the 2nd half and held up that said "We're down by 30 and still have more fans here than at a Heat game"
• jpake1

  

  Someday, he'll miss cleveland. Maybe not today, tomorrow, or this year. But it will come. There will come a time when winning in miami doesn't feel as fulfilling as it felt to even lose in cleveland. That city loved him. He was their king. They gave him the greatest of love even in defeat. He didn't honor that city like a king should. He didn't pass away and allow his followers to celebrate his journey. He didn't pass the torch at the end of his reign. This king packed him bags alone and fleed to greener pastures, like no king had ever done before. I question who lebron is. Is he a man that's on the hunt for titles, mvps, and legacies? Or is he a boy that ultimately just wanted to be loved like kings often are? If he's lucky enough to win 6 titles and retire the greatest, but is still empty, he'll find out who he is... Just a king that abandoned his people for greener pastures when he was naive enough to not see that he already had everything a king needed... Unconditional love. And that he shall never find in miami.
• enigmaax

  jpake1;587131 wrote: Unconditional love.

  
  It isn't "unconditional" if there's a condition that says you have to play in my city for me to love you. God you guys are wacky.
• jpake1

  

  He had unconditional love in cleveland while he was there. They loved him no matter what. But hes gone now and things have changed. I get what your saying though stickler.
• enigmaax

  jpake1;587167 wrote:He had unconditional love in cleveland while he was there. They loved him no matter what. But hes gone now and things have changed. I get what your saying though stickler.

  
  Not being a stickler, it is the crux of your whole argument. They loved him for the fact that he made them a winner. Nothing else. Because as soon as he took his game somewhere else and they went back to losing, they hate him. That is not unconditional love...that is riding coattails of someone doing things you couldn't do on your own. And its no different than any sports fan, ANY WHERE.
• jpake1

  

  They loved him bc he was an ohio kid and was awesome. They loved him before he got drafted. They loved him. There... Happy now?
• DeyDurkie5

  

  enigmaax;587180 wrote:Not being a stickler, it is the crux of your whole argument. They loved him for the fact that he made them a winner. Nothing else. Because as soon as he took his game somewhere else and they went back to losing, they hate him. That is not unconditional love...that is riding coattails of someone doing things you couldn't do on your own. And its no different than any sports fan, ANY WHERE.

  
  you are missin the point
• Y-Town Steelhound

  

  enigmaax;587180 wrote:Not being a stickler, it is the crux of your whole argument. They loved him for the fact that he made them a winner. Nothing else. Because as soon as he took his game somewhere else and they went back to losing, they hate him. That is not unconditional love...that is riding coattails of someone doing things you couldn't do on your own. And its no different than any sports fan, ANY WHERE.

  
  You couldn't be more off point with this one. Had he left like a normal person he would still have some of his fans in Cleveland. "The Decision" is what made the difference, not just him simply leaving for another city.
• enigmaax

  Y-Town Steelhound;587281 wrote:You couldn't be more off point with this one. Had he left like a normal person he would still have some of his fans in Cleveland. "The Decision" is what made the difference, not just him simply leaving for another city.

  
  I really didn't have intentions of rehashing the whole thing. Let's assume he did handle it poorly. When your kid, or your parent, or anyone else close to you makes a mistake do you still "love" them? The point being made was that Cleveland fans offered something no other fans could and that just isn't true. Whatever you do in your mind to justify the crazy jealous girlfriend reaction, the point is that he bolted and Cleveland hates him. They loved him while he was there, winning FOR THEM, and they don't like him now. That wouldn't make them bad, but it sure as hell proves they don't provide some kind of support system built in for LeBron that transcends fandom (like some of you guys want to act like).
• enigmaax

  DeyDurkie5;587228 wrote:you are missin the point

  
  Pretty sure the point was that Cleveland loved him no matter what. He made a bunch of losers feel like winners....of course they are going to love him. The "no matter what" moment came when he left and you guys are still acting like fucking orphans about it - that isn't "no matter what", that is "if you continue to do shit for me".
• DeyDurkie5

  

  enigmaax;587294 wrote:Pretty sure the point was that Cleveland loved him no matter what. He made a bunch of losers feel like winners....of course they are going to love him. The "no matter what" moment came when he left and you guys are still acting like fucking orphans about it - that isn't "no matter what", that is "if you continue to do shit for me".

  
  they loved him no matter what when he played for them. How hard is that to understand? I swear this site is full of retarded hicks
• Manhattan Buckeye

  "Let's assume he did handle it poorly."
  
  Why do we need to assume? It is without question the dumbest PR move in the history of U.S. professional sports, and one of the worst PR moves of all time. The "Decision" was idiotic in every sense. If James just joined the Heat and didn't make a big deal out of it, there isn't too much that people can judge him about it. Sticking a knife in the back of people that supported him and taking a dump in the wound is indefensible. This wasn't a heat of the moment mistake that all of us are guilty of, this was a calculated mistake where no one stopped and asked, "Is this really a good idea?"
• enigmaax

  DeyDurkie5;587310 wrote:they loved him no matter what when he played for them. How hard is that to understand? I swear this site is full of retarded hicks

  
  Which is different from any other fans how? You guys are trying to make the point that he's going to miss "what he had in Cleveland". What the fuck is it that is so special about your own fans loving you while you are there?
• enigmaax

  Manhattan Buckeye;587337 wrote:"Let's assume he did handle it poorly."
  
  Why do we need to assume? It is without question the dumbest PR move in the history of U.S. professional sports, and one of the worst PR moves of all time. The "Decision" was idiotic in every sense. If James just joined the Heat and didn't make a big deal out of it, there isn't too much that people can judge him about it. Sticking a knife in the back of people that supported him and taking a dump in the wound is indefensible. This wasn't a heat of the moment mistake that all of us are guilty of, this was a calculated mistake where no one stopped and asked, "Is this really a good idea?"

  
  Sticking a knife in the back of people? Taking a dump in the wound? Jesus...really? That is the thing, it wasn't a good PR move but it isn't the fucking end of the world. The argument was that Cleveland loved him no matter what. He made a mistake and didn't do things the way you'd like. Ok. He's still the homestate/hometown boy who could be a great success. If the fanbase was any better than what they got from him, they wouldn't still be acting like fucktards, whining about "their" egomaniac stroking his own ego, and wishing more for failure by one person than they do for the success of their own team. He's the same guy he always was and the Decision was no exception to that. Continuing to make a mountain out of a molehill just keeps showing why Cleveland fans don't deserve any better.
• DeyDurkie5

  

  enigmaax;587365 wrote:Which is different from any other fans how? You guys are trying to make the point that he's going to miss "what he had in Cleveland". What the fuck is it that is so special about your own fans loving you while you are there?

  
  umm have you seen the heat home games? Stop fooling yourself
• thedynasty1998

  

  LeBron being compared to Arod is absolutely ridiculous. And instead of LeBron leaving due to a lack of talent and maybe enjoying Miami a little more, it's because he's insecure. Like how we came to that conclusion. People can say what they want about LeBron, but being insecure is one of the absolute dumbest and idiotic statements.
• enigmaax

  DeyDurkie5;587375 wrote:umm have you seen the heat home games? Stop fooling yourself

  
  Doesn't really matter. The whole country is watching him and talking about him. He's more popular than ever, so this sense that Cleveland fans were more intimately in love with him somehow doesn't mean a thing.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  "Sticking a knife in the back of people? Taking a dump in the wound? Jesus...really? That is the thing, it wasn't a good PR move but it isn't the fucking end of the world. "
  
  Can you name any professional athlete that has even done anything SIMILAR?
  Crickets chirping?
  
  It isn't the end of the world but it is the worst PR move of all time in professional sports.
  
  James probably lost millions in endorsements with that move. Nike's attempt to mitigate was nearly as lame.
  
  What should he do? Be a professional and not a prima donna.
• DA isn't having fun

  enigmaax; wrote:The whole country is watching him

  
  you sure about that?
• enigmaax

  Manhattan Buckeye;587388 wrote:"Sticking a knife in the back of people? Taking a dump in the wound? Jesus...really? That is the thing, it wasn't a good PR move but it isn't the fucking end of the world. "
  
  Can you name any professional athlete that has even done anything SIMILAR?
  Crickets chirping?
  
  It isn't the end of the world but it is the worst PR move of all time in professional sports.
  
  James probably lost millions in endorsements with that move. Nike's attempt to mitigate was nearly as lame.
  
  What should he do? Be a professional and not a prima donna.

  
  Who cares if any other athlete has done that? Really, who cares besides bellyaching Cleveland fans trying to justify their over the top reactions?
  
  Maybe he lost some money in the short term...I'd be interested to see if that actually happened...but if he ends up winning titles, he'll get that back. Remember, he said the move was about having the best chance to win titles. That might have something to do with the long term gains that would go with being a real champion instead of some crappy city's "King".
  
  Be a professional and not a prima donna? Again, he was ALWAYS a prima donna. What changed?
• Manhattan Buckeye

  "Who cares if any other athlete has done that? Really, who cares besides bellyaching Cleveland fans trying to justify their over the top reactions?"
  
  Non-Cavalier fans of other teams (myself included) who think James looked and acted like an idiot.
  
  "but if he ends up winning titles, he'll get that back. "
  
  Not if Wade gets the credit.
  
  The Scottie Pippen chant at the Q was on point, James should thank Tiger Woods for his marital transgressions, because no other athlete in modern history has pissed away so much goodwill. He went from the chosen one to being the second banana.