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Danny Ferry

  • Mulva
    Long post warning.

    I did one of these on the old huddle evaluating Mark Shapiro and why he should be fired (it is incredible to me that he's still employed now in his 9th season at GM given the horrendous signings, bad trades, and overall lack of on-field results). Anyways, I decided to look up Danny Ferry's history. I don't think he should be fired (yet), but next season is his last chance with me personally, and then I will firmly be on the Fire Ferry wagon if he doesn't get things done. So here it is...

    Danny Ferry:

    Notable signings: Larry Hughes, Donyell Marshall, Damon Jones, Scot Pollard, David Wesley, Devin Brown, Joe Smith, Leon Powe, Jamario Moon, Anthony Parker

    How would you rate those? I'd say that the best ones (Joe Smith, Anthony Parker?) were very average, and the worst (Hughes, Wesley) were abysmal.

    D+

    Notable Trades:

    Traded: Sasha Pavlovic, Ben Wallace, cash, 2nd round pick
    Acquired: Shaq

    Traded: Donyell Marshall, Ira Newble, Shannon Brown, Drew Gooden, Larry Hughes, Cedric Simmons
    Acquired: Joe Smith, Ben Wallace, Wally Z, Delonte West, 2nd round pick

    Traded: 2nd round pick
    Acquired: Lee Nailon, 2nd round pick (Daniel Gibson)

    Traded: 1st round pick, Z
    Acquired: Antawn Jamison, Sebastian Telfair

    He hasn't made any other notable trades.

    The middle trade listed was a solid trade and the Jamison trade wasn't awful, even though he certainly didn't help the team when it mattered most.

    B

    Drafted: Shannon Brown, Daniel Gibson, JJ Hickson, Christian Eyenga, Danny Green

    Not a single one of them has been anything better than worthy of being about the 8th man in a rotation. Most of these have been later picks due to the Cavs record, so I don't fault the moves as much, but there's no denying there is a lack of impact players acquired over 4 drafts.

    C+

    This year: The most important season Ferry has had, as it was LeBron's contract year. How did he fare?

    We finished with a worse overall record than last season, a much worse home record (comparatively speaking... 3 times as many home losses), worse team chemistry, and most importantly a worse playoff result. 3 of the guys we acquired this season will be 34 or older when next season starts, and the window to win a championship may be closed even if LeBron stays. If he leaves things are going to get real ugly real quick.

    F

    I just don't see how anybody could be fine with what Ferry has done when you look at that history.

    What is it exactly that he has to hang his hat on? JJ Hickson and Shaq?
  • wes_mantooth
    I am not sure about Ferry. He seems to be doing everything he can to get guys that Lebron wants....but is he spending wisely?.....not so sure.
  • hoops23
    Shouldn't acquiring Antawn for a 30th overall pick be on the trades?

    BTW, Ferry has a press conference at 4, we could use this thread for that too.
  • hoops23
    And BTW, Mark Shapiro isn't the GM anymore, he's been promoted to President.
  • wes_mantooth
    lol....it is like the world is ending with all these pressers...

    Who else has one....Chris Jent?
  • Mulva
    LTrain23 wrote: And BTW, Mark Shapiro isn't the GM anymore, he's been promoted to President.
    I'm pretty sure that starts next season.

    Yes, the Jamison trade should be in there. I will edit.
  • KR1245
    I'm not sold on him either. In all fairness, Larry Hughes was coming off of a great season before we signed him. Ferry couldnt predict that it would turn out like that.

    His drafts have been terrible.
  • wes_mantooth
    KR1245 wrote: I'm not sold on him either. In all fairness, Larry Hughes was coming off of a great season before we signed him. Ferry couldnt predict that it would turn out like that.

    His drafts have been terrible.
    But Larry wasn't his first or second pick, he wanted Ray Allen or Michael Redd first. He overpaid out of panic that he would be shut out.

    I think even Joe Johnson was available at that time.
  • hoops23
    Mulva wrote:
    LTrain23 wrote: And BTW, Mark Shapiro isn't the GM anymore, he's been promoted to President.
    I'm pretty sure that starts next season.

    Yes, the Jamison trade should be in there. I will edit.
    Yeah you may be right about that, but point remains.. lol.

    Shaprio got promoted--smh.
  • Al Bundy
    wes_mantooth wrote: lol....it is like the world is ending with all these pressers...

    Who else has one....Chris Jent?
    Gilbert had a press conference to say nothing. Let's see if Ferry's is the same.
  • hoops23
    Ferry is on now.
  • wes_mantooth
    who is carrying this presser?
  • hoops23
    ESPNEWS
  • Sage
    Cavs fundamentally went the wrong direction with LBJ. Shudda went the Thunder's route.

    Mike Brown has to go. Try to get a S&T for Bosh, but I'd have no clue how they'd go about that.
  • KR1245
    wes_mantooth wrote:
    KR1245 wrote: I'm not sold on him either. In all fairness, Larry Hughes was coming off of a great season before we signed him. Ferry couldnt predict that it would turn out like that.

    His drafts have been terrible.
    But Larry wasn't his first or second pick, he wanted Ray Allen or Michael Redd first. He overpaid out of panic that he would be shut out.

    I think even Joe Johnson was available at that time.
    Fair point. I was pissed when Redd went back to the Bucks. I thought he would be a Cavalier
  • Al Bundy
    Sage wrote: Cavs fundamentally went the wrong direction with LBJ. Shudda went the Thunder's route.

    Mike Brown has to go. Try to get a S&T for Bosh, but I'd have no clue how they'd go about that.
    S&T will be very tough to pull off, unless Toronto wants a lot of garbage.
  • wes_mantooth
    Sage wrote: Cavs fundamentally went the wrong direction with LBJ. Shudda went the Thunder's route.

    Mike Brown has to go. Try to get a S&T for Bosh, but I'd have no clue how they'd go about that.
    yeah, they don't have the young talent to get that done. They have JJ and that is about it. Every other contract that they have is pretty ugly.
  • hoops23
    Al Bundy wrote:
    Sage wrote: Cavs fundamentally went the wrong direction with LBJ. Shudda went the Thunder's route.

    Mike Brown has to go. Try to get a S&T for Bosh, but I'd have no clue how they'd go about that.
    S&T will be very tough to pull off, unless Toronto wants a lot of garbage.
    If Bosh is leaving, they would take anything for him to get a return I'd think.

    JJ/Delonte/maybe even Mo would be a good foundation for them. You could throw in Bassie as a 3 million expiring contract.
  • Al Bundy
    LTrain23 wrote:
    Al Bundy wrote:
    Sage wrote: Cavs fundamentally went the wrong direction with LBJ. Shudda went the Thunder's route.

    Mike Brown has to go. Try to get a S&T for Bosh, but I'd have no clue how they'd go about that.
    S&T will be very tough to pull off, unless Toronto wants a lot of garbage.
    If Bosh is leaving, they would take anything for him to get a return I'd think.

    JJ/Delonte/maybe even Mo would be a good foundation for them. You could throw in Bassie as a 3 million expiring contract.
    I just think other teams could make better trade offers to them.
  • wes_mantooth
    yeah, so many teams set themselves up for this offseason that I gotta think there are going to be a lot of good offers for a guy like Bosh.
  • Al Bundy
    Ferry just said the roster has flexibility. I need some of whatever he has been drinking.
  • hoops23
    Al Bundy wrote:
    LTrain23 wrote:
    Al Bundy wrote:
    Sage wrote: Cavs fundamentally went the wrong direction with LBJ. Shudda went the Thunder's route.

    Mike Brown has to go. Try to get a S&T for Bosh, but I'd have no clue how they'd go about that.
    S&T will be very tough to pull off, unless Toronto wants a lot of garbage.
    If Bosh is leaving, they would take anything for him to get a return I'd think.

    JJ/Delonte/maybe even Mo would be a good foundation for them. You could throw in Bassie as a 3 million expiring contract.
    I just think other teams could make better trade offers to them.
    I agree. Just saying though.
  • hoops23
    Al Bundy wrote: Ferry just said the roster has flexibility. I need some of whatever he has been drinking.
    It does. Because it has talent. Teams love talent, especially if they have a guy who wants traded or is leaving.

    Seriously, there is a market for Mo, Delonte, JJ, Antawn, etc..
  • j_crazy
    LTrain23 wrote:
    Al Bundy wrote: Ferry just said the roster has flexibility. I need some of whatever he has been drinking.
    It does. Because it has talent. Teams love talent, especially if they have a guy who wants traded or is leaving.

    Seriously, there is a market for Mo, Delonte, JJ, Antawn, etc..
    just trade him already.

    7 minutes in the playoffs? that' unforgivable.
  • wes_mantooth
    I hope so, but I cannot see a market for Antawn....that is a hefty contract for a guy of his age.