Honest Question for Cavs Fans:

• Cleveland Buck

  

  wildcats20 wrote:

  Cleveland Buck wrote: Mike Brown is a very good coach. The LeIso bullshit offense late in games isn't his fault, it is LeBron's.

  When you design an offense to go with a 1-4 set, it's not the player's fault. It's a bad coaching decision.

  LeBron kept running it on his own, so Brown had to come up with some plays to go with it.
• devil1197

  Cleveland Buck wrote: Mike Brown is a very good coach. The LeIso bullshit offense late in games isn't his fault, it is LeBron's. Maybe Brown could convince LeBron not to pull that shit and that it is better to move the ball and get a shot in the offense, but otherwise, there isn't anything else he or any coach can do about it. Before Brown showed up the Cavs played zero defense. When he gets here all of a sudden we are shutting down the Pistons in the playoffs and take them to 7 games. I love the way Brown coaches defense. When the players decide to play it, it is a beauty to watch them squeeze the life out of an offense. When they run the offense and get the ball inside they look good there too.

  You do know that Brown wanted LeBron to go LeIso against the Magic correct?
  
  He had no idea what to do on offense and defense against the Magic. They were simply outcoached at every factor of the game.
• 2quik4u

  

  devil1197 wrote:

  2quik4u wrote:

  devil1197 wrote: LMAO, every major player in the league has major pull with his team.
  
  Do you really think LAL wanted to unload Shaq? No, Kobe wanted to be the man so it was either Kobe or Shaq and LAL picked Kobe.
  
  Kobe bitched so much about the roster beforehand, demanded to be traded only to have their FO work some trades to get Gasol.

  If you think it was just all kobe you are completely wrong.
  
  Also you make Kobe demanded to be traded sound like a bad thing look what it did, two nba finals, one championship and another possible one this year.

  Completely wrong, maybe but Kobe had the majority factor in the Shaq situation. Do you think Shaq gets traded at all if Kobe wants to play with him?
  
  And no, its not a terrible thing to want to be traded but it shows his pull within the LAL organization.

  The same could be said for shaq.
  
  
  Of course he has pull within the organization, he the best player on the team. On top of that he has the best contract in basketball with his no-trade clause, so he pretty much dictate what he wants done.
• hoops23

  

  The Cavs weren't out coached. We got EVERYTHING we wanted offensively. Orlando couldn't stop LeBron, which is why he averaged 30/8/8..
  
  We were mismatched up the ass on defense though.. Yet, if Mo was on we still win that series..
  
  People need to stop looking to place blame on the coach. Obviously Danny Ferry and Dan Gilbert felt the Cavs needed to be upgraded. Look at our bench this year compared to last..There is no comparison.
• devil1197

  LTrain23 wrote: The Cavs weren't out coached. We got EVERYTHING we wanted offensively. Orlando couldn't stop LeBron, which is why he averaged 30/8/8..
  
  We were mismatched up the ass on defense though.. Yet, if Mo was on we still win that series..
  
  People need to stop looking to place blame on the coach. Obviously Danny Ferry and Dan Gilbert felt the Cavs needed to be upgraded. Look at our bench this year compared to last..There is no comparison.

  Exactly, LeBron got everything he wanted but Brown couldn't figure out a way to get the other guys going. He stuck with Williams who was obviously struggling. There is a time where you just got to try out some different rotations especially when a guy cannot hit anything. You can't sit and hope that Williams shoots out of his slump during elimination games, he needed to try some different rotations.
  
  LeBron makes Brown a good coach, its not that hard to see. The only thing Brown has implemented is solid defense, but that defense was scary bad against Orlando last season. Mis matches or not, their defense was just plain terrible.
• hoops23

  

  devil, we usually see eye to eye on things, but this isn't one of them..
  
  Mike Brown can't magically "turn players on" when they're struggling. He's not a magician, per se..
  
  Yeah, he stuck with Williams, he's supposed to. That's your PG. Boobie wasn't doing much when he was in.. We just didn't have the personnel to match up with Orlando on defense, you don't have to be a genius to figure that one out.
  
  Orlando has had our number up until this season. Last year, we went 3-7.. I think we were 5-12 in our last 17 before this season.. It was just a bad match up. If you think Stan Van Gundy outcoached Mike, you're mistaken. In fact, Stan is the only reason that series was close to begin with.
  
  Of course LeBron makes Brown a good coach.. The same way Jordan/Kobe/Shaq made Phil a good coach.. The same way any superstar makes their coach good, like Duncan/Manu/Parker with Greg.... Mike Brown has been a master though at controlling egos.. He's also not afraid to get into LeBrons face from time to time, such as he did a few weeks ago when he challenged LeBron.
  
  Anybody who thinks Mike Brown isn't one of the better coaches in the game today is foolish. Greg Popovich was raving on the guy, and I'll trust his word over anybody on this site...
• wildcats20

  

  ^^
  
  What happens when Mo struggles this year? Who does MB turn to? Bassy?
  
  BTW that's a hypothetical when
• devil1197

  wildcats20 wrote: ^^
  
  What happens when Mo struggles this year? Who does MB turn to? Bassy?

  Go to a bigger lineup
  
  PG: West
  SG: Parker
  SF: Jamison
  PF: LeBron
  C: Shaq
  
  or
  
  PG: LeBron
  SG: West
  SF: Jamison
  PF: AV
  C: Shaq
• wildcats20

  

  OK. I can see that.
• hoops23

  

  Mo isn't going to struggle this year because he's changed the way he plays...
  
  Last year, he was mostly a spot up 3 point shooter..
  
  This year, he had some of his biggest games against the elite teams, then he was injured and came back only to struggle for a couple of weeks.. Something clicked (probably LeBron) but Mo started to ATTACK the basket and actually turned into a point guard by pressuring the defense and driving the lanes looking for the open man or the open shot.. He's playing more "inside-out" than anything.. He looks for mid range/lay ups then works out to the 3 point line.. His play has elevated at the right time..
  
  HOWEVER, if he does struggle, I think we still have Antawn and Shaq? two guys we didn't have last season.
• SQ_Crazies

  

  wildcats20 wrote: ^^
  
  What happens when Mo struggles this year? Who does MB turn to? Bassy?
  
  BTW that's a hypothetical when

  This is where Mike Brown's brilliance will show this post season--and it'll prove to you that he learned a lot from last year. He's tinkered with A BUNCH of different rotations this year. Different lineups have all been put in tough situations. The record doesn't lie, clearly they were able to be versatile. That's where the roster improvements make the biggest difference between last year and this year as well--we have so many more ways to get it done. Mo going cold won't kill us, we've already seen the Cavs win a bunch of games when he was cold as hell because of the shoulder. Jamison is huge in that regard.
  
  Versatility is going to be a big reason the Cavs win the title this year. And a TON of credit goes to MB here, for putting players in spots and expecting them to get it done--and putting them in spots where they CAN get it done.
• devil1197

  A ton of credit goes to Danny Ferry and Dan Gilbert in putting together a team this deep.
  
  These two guys turned Sasha/Wally/Wallace/30th Pick into Shaq/Jamison/Parker/Moon. That is three starters for basically nothing and a bench player that will be used in specific situations in the playoffs.
  
  Ferry pulled off some great deals this season and its the main reason why this team can mix up so many rotations.
• SQ_Crazies

  

  For sure. But the coach still has to put those different looks on the floor--and he's done a GREAT job of that IMO.
  
  JJ's improvement is going to make a big difference this postseason as well. I mean if you think about it, we're all healthy now--our front court is unmatched, even Gasol, Bynum and Odom don't come close to Shaq/Z/Jamison/JJ/Andy/Powe/LeBron...the title is ours.
• JakeGiant

  SQ_Crazies wrote: Ok, don't argue with me. You'll look like an idiot.
  
  

  Hey, I don't treat you like this, so you shouldn't do this onto others.
• SQ_Crazies

  

  Take your Bible somewhere else.
• mallymal614

  SQ_Crazies wrote:

  mallymal614 wrote: Four teams I think can knock off the Cavs in a series. Boston, LA, Orlando, or Denver. The road isn't as easy as it seems and wouldn't be shocked if Cavs gets knocked out again.

  Boston.
  
  SMH.

  wes_mantooth wrote: I really don't think Boston has a shot....to me, their window has closed. The other teams present some matchup problems. I think Ainge will blow it up in the offseason and start rebuilding.

  wes_mantooth wrote:

  mallymal614 wrote: What reason should Cleveland have to be overconfident against the Celtics? When was the last time Cleveland won as season series against them and last time I checked Cleveland is 1-10 their last 11 trips to Boston. Yeah some can say Shaq and Varejao didn't play in the last contest but Paul Pierce didn't play in that that one win Cleveland did get their last 11 times in Boston. I'm just saying based on recent history there is no reason Boston should be counted out. Now I do think the Cavs have the better team and should win if the two teams matchup, but Boston still has the exact starting 5 from when they won the championship so they are loaded with experience.

  That is a fair assessment. My opinion is that Garnett(even though they are only 2 yrs removed from a championship), looks like a shell of his former self. They just don't seem like the defensive team that they once were.

  3reppom wrote:

  mallymal614 wrote: What reason should Cleveland have to be overconfident against the Celtics? When was the last time Cleveland won as season series against them and last time I checked Cleveland is 1-10 their last 11 trips to Boston. Yeah some can say Shaq and Varejao didn't play in the last contest but Paul Pierce didn't play in that that one win Cleveland did get their last 11 times in Boston. I'm just saying based on recent history there is no reason Boston should be counted out. Now I do think the Cavs have the better team and should win if the two teams matchup, but Boston still has the exact starting 5 from when they won the championship so they are loaded with experience.

  Boston is not a threat to anyone. They are a team in transition right now. In a few years time the Celtics will be Rondo's team, and they will live and die based entirely on his performance. But right now they are a team in chaos. Who is the leader in that locker room right now? Is it pierce who is falling apart at the seams due to old age, is it Garnett who is the emotional leader, but he can't get it done physically any more, is it Allen who is in much better shape physically than Garnett and Pierce but who constantly defers to them or is it Rondo who has been the best Celtic this year hands down, but he seems to be afraid to tread on the toes of the other three. Boston has a ton of experience but it has no team leader or identity, there is no clearly delineated hierarchy and they have posted a 27-24 record since the turn of the year. If there is a checklist of things that you don't want your team to have going into the playoffs the Celtics have them all. They will be lucky to post 5 wins in the playoffs this year.

• mallymal614

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• SQ_Crazies

  

  LOL, are you really this pathetic? If we called everyone out for everything they were wrong on, this site would overload in 10 minutes. We can't control what happens, we only knew what we knew at the time and they looked like the best team in the league. And Boston didn't. And it wasn't matchup issues, we just flat out didn't show up as a team. The fans have no say in that--that's why they're called PREDICTIONS, not truths.
• mallymal614

  That's why they play the game.
• SQ_Crazies

  

  I understand. I was well aware of that when I typed everything in the past. But this is what we do here, it's a bunch of dudes talking sports. No one is always right--how come you can win ESPN Streak for the Cash with like 20 some straight random games? Why isn't there someone who can get 80 straight? Because everyone is wrong, that's why they play the game and that's why we watch the game. Excuse us for being fans.
• Al Capone

  CLEVELAND SUCKS. BYE BYE LEBRON
• mallymal614

  SQ_Crazies wrote: I understand. I was well aware of that when I typed everything in the past. But this is what we do here, it's a bunch of dudes talking sports. No one is always right--how come you can win ESPN Streak for the Cash with like 20 some straight random games? Why isn't there someone who can get 80 straight? Because everyone is wrong, that's why they play the game and that's why we watch the game. Excuse us for being fans.

  I know where you coming from. I'm just having fun messing with yall. Nothing wrong with be passionate about your team.
• 2quik4u

  

  mallymal614 wrote:

  SQ_Crazies wrote:

  mallymal614 wrote: Four teams I think can knock off the Cavs in a series. Boston, LA, Orlando, or Denver. The road isn't as easy as it seems and wouldn't be shocked if Cavs gets knocked out again.

  Boston.
  
  SMH.

  wes_mantooth wrote: I really don't think Boston has a shot....to me, their window has closed. The other teams present some matchup problems. I think Ainge will blow it up in the offseason and start rebuilding.

  wes_mantooth wrote:

  mallymal614 wrote: What reason should Cleveland have to be overconfident against the Celtics? When was the last time Cleveland won as season series against them and last time I checked Cleveland is 1-10 their last 11 trips to Boston. Yeah some can say Shaq and Varejao didn't play in the last contest but Paul Pierce didn't play in that that one win Cleveland did get their last 11 times in Boston. I'm just saying based on recent history there is no reason Boston should be counted out. Now I do think the Cavs have the better team and should win if the two teams matchup, but Boston still has the exact starting 5 from when they won the championship so they are loaded with experience.

  That is a fair assessment. My opinion is that Garnett(even though they are only 2 yrs removed from a championship), looks like a shell of his former self. They just don't seem like the defensive team that they once were.

  3reppom wrote:

  mallymal614 wrote: What reason should Cleveland have to be overconfident against the Celtics? When was the last time Cleveland won as season series against them and last time I checked Cleveland is 1-10 their last 11 trips to Boston. Yeah some can say Shaq and Varejao didn't play in the last contest but Paul Pierce didn't play in that that one win Cleveland did get their last 11 times in Boston. I'm just saying based on recent history there is no reason Boston should be counted out. Now I do think the Cavs have the better team and should win if the two teams matchup, but Boston still has the exact starting 5 from when they won the championship so they are loaded with experience.

  Boston is not a threat to anyone. They are a team in transition right now. In a few years time the Celtics will be Rondo's team, and they will live and die based entirely on his performance. But right now they are a team in chaos. Who is the leader in that locker room right now? Is it pierce who is falling apart at the seams due to old age, is it Garnett who is the emotional leader, but he can't get it done physically any more, is it Allen who is in much better shape physically than Garnett and Pierce but who constantly defers to them or is it Rondo who has been the best Celtic this year hands down, but he seems to be afraid to tread on the toes of the other three. Boston has a ton of experience but it has no team leader or identity, there is no clearly delineated hierarchy and they have posted a 27-24 record since the turn of the year. If there is a checklist of things that you don't want your team to have going into the playoffs the Celtics have them all. They will be lucky to post 5 wins in the playoffs this year.

  lol at this shit, god damn
• jpake1

  

  Like I said a month ago------- I see what you're saying. LBJ could put up his 30/8/8.. but if that team doesn't do it again-- there will be some head scratching again. I won't be doing it because I don't think they're the best. But if a TEAM can dominate a regular season two seasons in a row, but can't win the title, somebody in the franchise will be called overrated. LBJ isn't, but at the same time, and I hate saying it, as a leader-- somehow, someway, you've got to have your team playing great when it matters most. But hey, we'll talk about that if and when the day comes.---- Well, that day has come...
• Cleveland Buck

  

  Mike Brown has to be fired because everyone turned on him. He isn't a great coach, but this debacle wasn't his fault.