losing your religion

• sleeper

  

  Heretic;1792912 wrote:I'm just enjoying how you said that religious people put way more energy into debunking science that doesn't fit their narrative than they would ever think of putting into actually critically thinking about their so-called holy books and their wild claims....leading to two of the religious right members of the site going haywire trying to debunk science stuff they disagree with. While actually thinking they're making their point, when it really, really seems they're making yours.

  I'm glad I'm not the only one who appreciates this irony.
• rocketalum

  On the point of youth indoctrination we were discussing earlier in the thread. My wife showed me this video last night, these kids don't stand a chance. If you as an adult decide that knowing about the book of Job is more important than basic arithmetic, that's your own stupid life decision. Forcing that on kids in the name of faith/religion/whatever...despicable.
  
  
• QuakerOats

  Commander of Awesome;1792916 wrote:I forget who I got into it with a while back about Climate change who also provided trash articles/blogs as evidence. Climate change is real, period.

  
  We know it is real; we also know it has been occurring for tens of millions of years, long before humans and factories. To think we could possibly alter it is hilarious, or 'delusional' as one might say.
• rocketalum

  Quaker, help me understand. Would it be your belief then that we can just dump all kinds of pollutants into the air, water, ground and it has no impact on the earth? Or that these things, while bad, don't directly cause any change to climate? Genuinely just trying to figure out where the line is.
• QuakerOats

  Pollution can cause environmental issues. Climate change and pollution are not related.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  QuakerOats;1793182 wrote:We know it is real; we also know it has been occurring for tens of millions of years, long before humans and factories. To think we could possibly alter it is hilarious, or 'delusional' as one might say.

  Impossible... earth is 6000 years old and god created man on day 6. What's this millions of years talk?
• QuakerOats

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1793187 wrote:Impossible... earth is 6000 years old and god created man on day 6. What's this millions of years talk?

  You are talking to the wrong guy, obviously.
• QuakerOats

  sleeper;1792867 wrote:You mean the money trail of industries that directly contribute to the destruction of our planet? Yeah I'm sure they are happy to give NASA more of their money to publish research that blames them and their profit center. It's more likely these industries fund lobbyists and media organizations to try and muddy the water with propoganda on climate change being purely natural causes.
  
  Delusional.

  
  Mars is warming; they have no people, vehicles, or factories. Go figure.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  QuakerOats;1793188 wrote:You are talking to the wrong guy, obviously.

  you don't accept the bible?
• sleeper

  

  QuakerOats;1793189 wrote:Mars is warming; they have no people, vehicles, or factories. Go figure.

  Nice straw man.
• sleeper

  

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1793190 wrote:you don't accept the bible?

  To be fair, the 6,000 year thing came from analysis of the Bible and then was adopted by some sects of Christianity.
  
  However, who really cares honestly? The entire book is made up. Remember, proof that god created the Earth is in Genesis and we know how it happened because some invisible ghost man told a few authors of his book about how he created Earth and that's fact! Why would the authors lie? They heard it from the ghost man himself!
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  sleeper;1793196 wrote:To be fair, the 6,000 year thing came from analysis of the Bible and then was adopted by some sects of Christianity.
  
  However, who really cares honestly? The entire book is made up. Remember, proof that god created the Earth is in Genesis and we know how it happened because some invisible ghost man told a few authors of his book about how he created Earth and that's fact! Why would the authors lie? They heard it from the ghost man himself!

  sure but the bible itself said 6th day man was made. But that might be a part to not take literal.
• rocketalum

  QuakerOats;1793185 wrote:Pollution can cause environmental issues. Climate change and pollution are not related.

  This is what I thought the answer would be. I'm actually a bit confused then why climate change being real or not even matters. If you think that climate change isn't real but that human activities can negatively impact the environment and I'm a hard core climate change advocate we both share a common thread, that human activities are in some way harming/changing the planet. Who cares if I think people are causing rising temps or tides or if you think the damage stops at environmental, we both have a common root cause to work against. I don't understand the divisiveness of this issue. The only way it's divisive to me is if someone were to believe that nothing man did had any impact whatsoever on the planet which you've stated isn't true, at least for you.
• QuakerOats

  Climate change really does not matter; it has been going on since Earth's beginnings and humans are not the cause and surely should not waste their time and resources on it; it will change nothing, and climate will continue to go though its cycles.
• QuakerOats

  sleeper;1793192 wrote:Nice straw man.

  
  Irrefutable though.
  
  Of course, if the data manipulators at NASA are your guys, then it is understandable where you are coming from.
• Zunardo

  rocketalum;1793173 wrote:On the point of youth indoctrination we were discussing earlier in the thread. My wife showed me this video last night, these kids don't stand a chance. If you as an adult decide that knowing about the book of Job is more important than basic arithmetic, that's your own stupid life decision. Forcing that on kids in the name of faith/religion/whatever...despicable.
  
  

  As a Christian and a pretty intelligent guy who did very well in school (and who learned what 12x12 was in the third grade), I was dismayed to see them not do well on the math - but I would like more context. Who were those folks in particular? Are they from one church or denomination? How old were the kids?
  
  But, do they represent every single home-schooled Christian family in America? Based on just that one data point and three math questions, I think not. I suspect the video artist looked long and hard to find a family that fit the profile he wanted to convey.
  
  Not every Christian family home-school, and not every home-schooled family is Christian, but there seems to be a stereotype that home-schoolers belong to "whacko Christian" families, and will grow up learning nothing but Bible verses. Here's an interesting academic paper that paints a different picture of home-schooling:
  
  https://www.nmu.edu/education/sites/DrupalEducation/files/UserFiles/Moreau_Kathi_MP.pdf
• MontyBrunswick

  

  Zunardo;1793226 wrote: Here's an interesting academic paper that paints a different picture of home-schooling:
  
  https://www.nmu.edu/education/sites/DrupalEducation/files/UserFiles/Moreau_Kathi_MP.pdf

  That's not a great comparison. The paper compares public schooling to homeschooling. Of course there's a significant advantage to homeschooling compared to public schooling, a good chunk of those public school kids probably don't have a homelife that facilitates and encourages educational development.
  
  A better comparison would be homeschooling vs private schools. Private school students probably have a significant "push" from parents for their kids to succeed because they're ponying up the cash to school their kids. The same can't be said about the public school counterparts.
• Heretic

  

  QuakerOats;1793222 wrote:Irrefutable though.
  
  Of course, if the data manipulators at NASA are your guys, then it is understandable where you are coming from.

  As opposed to the data manipulators who took a certain person and gave him abilities such as turning water into wine or rising from the dead. Which you seem cool with, even though that's far more fanciful of stuff than the concept that stuff we do as a people has a negative effect on climate, the environment, etc.
• sleeper

  

  QuakerOats;1793222 wrote:Irrefutable though.
  
  Of course, if the data manipulators at NASA are your guys, then it is understandable where you are coming from.

  Except it's not just NASA; it's the entire scientific community outside a small group of climate change deniers. Tin foil hat much?
• QuakerOats

  sleeper;1793283 wrote:Except it's not just NASA; it's the entire scientific community outside a small group of climate change deniers. Tin foil hat much?

  
  Did NASA manipulate data and get caught; just answer the question.
• sleeper

  

  QuakerOats;1793347 wrote:Did NASA manipulate data and get caught; just answer the question.

  No.
• QuakerOats

  sleeper;1793359 wrote:No.

  False.
• sleeper

  

  QuakerOats;1793364 wrote:False.

  ???
  
  I'll grab your tin foil hat for the conspiracy of thousands of scientists all manipulating data on climate change.
• O-Trap

  

  I came back to this thread and found this.
  
  Fuck it.
• sleeper

  

  O-Trap;1793370 wrote:I came back to this thread and found this.
  
  Fuck it.

  Yeah it went a bit off the walls once the climate change conspiracy theorists hijacked the thread.
  
  Also the OP hasn't commented in ages.