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O-Trap

isadore;1742972 wrote:LOL for generations the exact opposite happened, they were breed to kill.

Gosh a ruddies, I assume you have quantifiable documentation for this that amounts to more than anecdotes. Otherwise, it sounds like you're still suffering from the illogical fear, which is manifesting itself in more fear-mongering.

I will hope for your redemption.

isadore

O-Trap;1743012 wrote:Gosh a ruddies, I assume you have quantifiable documentation for this that amounts to more than anecdotes. Otherwise, it sounds like you're still suffering from the illogical fear, which is manifesting itself in more fear-mongering.

I will hope for your redemption.

gosh a ruddies, The pit bull was a killer from its inception, a breed created to kill bulls and bears in staged combat and then continued to be bred to kill other dogs in the ring, Now only the foolish, selfish or arrogant would keep one of these killers in their home.

O-Trap

isadore;1743035 wrote:gosh a ruddies, The pit bull was a killer from its inception, a breed created to kill bulls and bears in staged combat and then continued to be bred to kill other dogs in the ring, Now only the foolish, selfish or arrogant would keep one of these killers in their home.

Such fear mongering. Only someone with an irrational fear would use such generalizations as an indictment against an entire group based on what a fraction of a percentage of them have been coerced or trained to do while ignoring the fact that they were traditionally bred to be completely non-violent toward people.

Redeem your thinking. It's the only way to break free from your irrational fear. I'm rooting for you.

sleeper

isadore;1743035 wrote:gosh a ruddies, The pit bull was a killer from its inception, a breed created to kill bulls and bears in staged combat and then continued to be bred to kill other dogs in the ring, Now only the foolish, selfish or arrogant would keep one of these killers in their home.

I will pray for your redemption.

Tiernan

I love it when the "Sleeper / Isadore" amalgamation argues with itself.

isadore

O-Trap;1743041 wrote:Such fear mongering. Only someone with an irrational fear would use such generalizations as an indictment against an entire group based on what a fraction of a percentage of them have been coerced or trained to do while ignoring the fact that they were traditionally bred to be completely non-violent toward people.

Redeem your thinking. It's the only way to break free from your irrational fear. I'm rooting for you.

gosh a ruddies, you continue to make the irresponsibly dangerous decision to keep a killer dog in your home. Please rethink before you have to buy a small size coffin. There are hundreds of types of dogs that have never killed a human.

isadore

sleeper;1743049 wrote:I will pray for your redemption.

thanks

O-Trap

isadore;1743083 wrote:gosh a ruddies, you continue to make the irresponsibly dangerous decision to keep a killer dog in your home. Please rethink before you have to buy a small size coffin. There are hundreds of types of dogs that have never killed a human.

Gosh a ruddies, most dogs of all types never kill or attack anyone. It would be shocking for you to continually make such allegations were it not for your irrational fear. But I understand your fear mongering, because it comes from that irrational fear. I hope you may one day see the truth and be open to a world of pets you didn't know existed.

isadore

O-Trap;1743141 wrote:Gosh a ruddies, most dogs of all types never kill or attack anyone. It would be shocking for you to continually make such allegations were it not for your irrational fear. But I understand your fear mongering, because it comes from that irrational fear. I hope you may one day see the truth and be open to a world of pets you didn't know existed.

gosh a ruddies and I understand that when a true threat can be easily eliminated with no real cost, that action should be taken. Pit Bulls kill people.

CenterBHSFan

I find it odd that you worry so much about pit bulls while at the same time not mentioning Chows, labs, poms, etc. Pit bulls aren't the only dogs that kill. However, they do get virtually all of the publicity for doing so. I suggest that you snap out of your hypnosis.

At the same time, I will admit that I will never have a pit. But I will also never have a rott, newfoundland or pyrenese. For various reasons.

Heretic

Man, people still talk to Izzy like he's a real person and not some sort of demented spam-bot created by someone who treats huffing paint and paint thinner as a viable hobby.

isadore

CenterBHSFan;1743206 wrote:I find it odd that you worry so much about pit bulls while at the same time not mentioning Chows, labs, poms, etc. Pit bulls aren't the only dogs that kill. However, they do get virtually all of the publicity for doing so. I suggest that you snap out of your hypnosis.

At the same time, I will admit that I will never have a pit. But I will also never have a rott, newfoundland or pyrenese. For various reasons.

gosh if you combine chows+labs+poms total kills they come no nowhere close to Pitts. In the past decade as dog bite fatalities have rapidly increased, the pits are responsible for the majority of the kills.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States

MontyBrunswick

That same wikipedia article you just posted prefaces that the list is not meant to be exhaustive or conclusive and has flaws.

Troll some more.

isadore

MontyBrunswick;1743377 wrote:That same wikipedia article you just posted prefaces that the list is not meant to be exhaustive or conclusive and has flaws.

Troll some more.

Gosh a ruddies, are you in a contest with Heretic to see who can be the most pompous person on the site. You got a real good shot at it big guy. Pit Bulls are killers, they have killed people in Ohio. There is no good reason for people to own them with so many other types of dogs available who have no record of killing people.
Here is another listing site, showing how dangerous Pits are compared to other dogs.

isadore

here it is
http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities.php

MontyBrunswick

isadore;1743386 wrote:here it is
http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities.php

That website is run by an anti-pitbull organization, so they're going to push their agenda in any way they can.

Do you have an unbiased source?

Troll some more.

isadore

MontyBrunswick;1743391 wrote:That website is run by an anti-pitbull organization, so they're going to push their agenda in any way they can.

Do you have an unbiased source?

Troll some more.

Gosh a ruddies, You have been given two sources with citations for each incident to primary source material which in most cases were contemporary newspaper articles. Plus on this thread you have examples of incidents within the last few months covered by reputable news sources. You are beyond the pale, hopefully when the local pit shows its nature, it will not kill any innocent bystanders.

MontyBrunswick

isadore;1743407 wrote:Gosh a ruddies, You have been given two sources with citations for each incident to primary source material which in most cases were contemporary newspaper articles.

But they were both cherry-picked sources to drive a biased agenda.

Do you have an un-biased source?

Troll some more.

HitsRus

from the article you cited

[h=3]Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association: 2000–2009[edit][/h]The most recent study of the epidemiology of fatal dog bites in the United States was published in the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association in 2013.[SUP][9][/SUP] While earlier studies were based on television and newspaper reports, this was the first study to be based on law-enforcement reports, animal control reports, and investigator statements. It identified preventable factors in the fatal incidents. They found that the most common contributing factors were: absence of an able-bodied person to intervene, no familiar relationship of victims with dogs, owner failure to neuter dogs, compromised ability of victims to interact appropriately with dogs (e.g. mental disabilities), dogs kept isolated from regular positive human interactions versus family dogs (e.g. dogs kept chained in backyards), owners’ prior mismanagement of dogs, and owners’ history of abuse or neglect of dogs. Furthermore, they found that in 80% of the incidents, 4 or more of the above factors co-occurred.
The authors found that in a significant number of DBRFs there was either a conflict between different media sources reporting breed and/or a conflict between media and animal control reports relative to the reporting of breed. For 401 dogs described in various media accounts of DBRFs, media sources reported conflicting breed attributions for 124 of the dogs (30.9%); and where there were media reports and an animal control report (346 dogs), there were conflicting breed attributions for 139 dogs (40.2%)
According to this study, reliable verification of the breed of dog was only possible in 18% of incidents.

You are guilty of cherry picking and ignoring more reliable and reputable sources in favor of sensationalized media reports.

Heretic

MontyBrunswick;1743409 wrote:But they were both cherry-picked sources to drive a biased agenda.

Do you have an un-biased source?

Troll some more.

Isadore and QQuaker must be related then.

isadore

Gosh a ruddies now that is spin. Absence of an able bodies person to intervene, no familiar relationship with dogs, owner failure to neuter dog, compromised ability of victims to interact appropriately with dogs, dogs kept isolated from human interaction, owner’s prior mismanagement of dogs, blah, blah, blah. Guess what, everything listed happens with every type of dog and most types still don’t kill people. And that identification dodge they use to get pits off. Veterinarians have a bias toward protecting dogs’ lives at the expense of humans. It is their business, it puts food on the table for them. But even in their own little magazine, breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998Results During 1997 and 1998, at least 27 people died of dog bite attacks. At least 25 breeds of dogs have been involved in 238 human DBRF during the past 20 years. Pit bull-type dogs and Rottweilers were involved in more than half of these deaths. Jeffrey Sacks and other “Breeds of dogs involved in fatal attacks.”<o

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HitsRus

Veterinarians have a bias toward protecting dogs’ lives at the expense of humans. It is their business, it puts food on the table for them.

you mean like news media sensationalization?...only people who may be worse are "progressive" politicians.

isadore

HitsRus;1743481 wrote:you mean like news media sensationalization?...only people who may be worse are "progressive" politicians.

gosh a ruddies you have a report prepared by an organization with an interest in having more of these dogs out there, with their owners as potential customers. On the other side you have local news organizations interviewing the neighbors and often the family of the dog owner, who know the killer.
Big guy, there is this obnoxious, racist loud mouth running around the country saying unbelievably stupid things and 16 little minion type guys mimicking him. And the new media covers it.

HitsRus

Give me one reason why the AVA wants more pit bulls out there? They are not a dog organization… They are and animal organization ....you know dogs,cats,cows,sheep,birds,snakes, horses, pigs etc. etc. how does "having more pit bulls out there" be advantageous to veterinarians?

HitsRus

there is this obnoxious, racist loud mouth running around the country saying unbelievably stupid things and 16 little minion type guys mimicking him. And the new media covers it.

you mean there are obnoxious "dog racists" loud moths running around the country saying unbelievable stupid things about pit bulls and there is a bunch of minion types sensationalizing it.

Get it yet Sparky?

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