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Is this racist?

  • isadore
    Raw Dawgin' it;1712118 wrote:So then all the black schools can go away now since they can go to schools that accept all races now.
    the traditionally black universities accept all races.
  • Al Bundy
    isadore;1712110 wrote:you should not call them boy, that is racist.
    Not nearly as racist as you calling black people "token"
  • isadore
    sleeper;1712102 wrote:Feels good to have the power to suppress an entire race. I'm just not sure I have the time to do so.
    gosh it must have been a depressing day for you, when the SS stopped taking enlistments.
  • sleeper
    isadore;1712114 wrote:lynching is illegal. I guess we will just have to see what the long term effects are on these folks.
    They are white so life should be a piece of cake. They just call up their local country club and they'll get 6 figure jobs no problem. That's what MSNBC tells me at least. The reality is black people are the most successful race but you have white people who hold them back by saying mean things about them behind their back but actually hire them and let them into their organizations. It doesn't make a lot of sense but MSNBC is a legit news source.
  • gut
    Now that I think about it, these guys should have gotten a pass....sort of this plus Duke Lacrosse makes us even.
  • QuakerOats
    Those who were expelled should sue the school and/or otherwise be compensated. A college is not an enclave where the 1st amendment is not allowed to exist; you are free to say whatever you wish (no matter how distasteful it might be). If they were in such a position where they had some type of authority and engaged in conduct that was discriminatory, then there might be some merit in their dismissal, but absent that they could easily go against the school and win.

    Otherwise, any black students there who are playing and repeating rap lyrics which condone raping women and shooting police, should also be expelled, as that would easily constitute the creation of a hostile, racist environment.
  • like_that
    Not sure if this was posted, but RD might have a point.
    http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/outkick-the-coverage/oklahoma-stands-tall-against-racism-weak-against-violence-031015
  • sleeper
    Violence okay. Words, not okay. Oklahoma University.
  • Fly4Fun
    Thanks for the link. I think it did a pretty good job of outlining some hypocrisy in this situation.

    What these college kids chanted/sang is reprehensible and something that will follow them for a long time. However, I am not so sure about kicking them out of school, not only because of possible first amendment rights, but because college is a place to educate and help people grow. I'm sure OU has classes in it's humanities departments that these kids could learn a lot from and potentially grow as people.

    If a football player can only be suspended from the team while staying in school for doing the level of physical violence towards a woman described in that article, then surely these boys can receive some of the same leniency.

    The internet is the modern day lynch mob where everyone is on their high horse and wanting to see other peoples lives ruined.

    Young people need more forgiveness and opportunities to interact and grow, not harsh judgment, if we are going to improve race relations in our society
  • WebFire
    Fly4Fun;1712348 wrote:Thanks for the link. I think it did a pretty good job of outlining some hypocrisy in this situation.

    What these college kids chanted/sang is reprehensible and something that will follow them for a long time. However, I am not so sure about kicking them out of school, not only because of possible first amendment rights, but because college is a place to educate and help people grow. I'm sure OU has classes in it's humanities departments that these kids could learn a lot from and potentially grow as people.

    If a football player can only be suspended from the team while staying in school for doing the level of physical violence towards a woman described in that article, then surely these boys can receive some of the same leniency.

    The internet is the modern day lynch mob where everyone is on their high horse and wanting to see other peoples lives ruined.
    While I agree with this in general, the 1st amendment doesn't protect you from being kicked out of a college.
  • Fly4Fun
    WebFire;1712349 wrote:While I agree with this in general, the 1st amendment doesn't protect you from being kicked out of a college.
    If OU were a private college I would agree, but OU is a public institution. But I only briefly brought up the 1st A issues as I don't know how it would play out. After a quick google search, here is an article on the subject from a Tulsa news outlet.

    http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/state/can-ou-president-david-boren-discipline-sae-fraternity-members-experts/article_9adc448d-7dc3-5a23-907c-c0d9a64bfeb0.html

    I'm sure you can find people on both sides of the argument elsewhere as well. But it is certainly an issue in this situation.
  • sleeper
    WebFire;1712349 wrote:While I agree with this in general, the 1st amendment doesn't protect you from being kicked out of a college.
    I'm about 100% sure a lawyer is already contacting the families of the kids that were released and I think they have a case simply because OU is a public institution. It's an interesting case.
  • WebFire
    sleeper;1712355 wrote:I'm about 100% sure a lawyer is already contacting the families of the kids that were released and I think they have a case simply because OU is a public institution. It's an interesting case.
    Possibly.
  • Dr Winston O'Boogie
    Interesting. I wonder if this black kid who punched a white woman while issuing gay slurs participated in the football team's protest march.

    It's like the old playground song "sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me." That's been flipped on its head in this day in age.
  • Raw Dawgin' it
    Boren said the following: "It was unbelievable that this could have possibly occurred with UO students. Sooners are not racists. They're not bigots. They are people who respect each other and care about each other."

    I'd bet a good amount of money the President of the University knew the frat had racist tendencies and is only doing something because it's not a public issue.
  • Raw Dawgin' it
    "He made a split-second and wrong decision, and he knows that," running backs Coach Cale Gundy said. "He is a super, super kid. And I use the term 'kid' because he still is like a kid. He's still very young."

    Joe Mixon hit a white girl, that should be a hate crime right? Guaranteed if Mixon were white and the girl was black there would've been a march led by Rev. Al.
  • rmolin73
    Raw Dawgin' it;1712378 wrote:"He made a split-second and wrong decision, and he knows that," running backs Coach Cale Gundy said. "He is a super, super kid. And I use the term 'kid' because he still is like a kid. He's still very young."

    Joe Mixon hit a white girl, that should be a hate crime right? Guaranteed if Mixon were white and the girl was black there would've been a march led by Rev. Al.
    Bullshit! If he wasn't an athlete he would be kicked out of school and incarcerated. Athletes are protected no matter what race they are.
  • Commander of Awesome
    Fly4Fun;1712351 wrote:If OU were a private college I would agree, but OU is a public institution. But I only briefly brought up the 1st A issues as I don't know how it would play out. After a quick google search, here is an article on the subject from a Tulsa news outlet.

    http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/state/can-ou-president-david-boren-discipline-sae-fraternity-members-experts/article_9adc448d-7dc3-5a23-907c-c0d9a64bfeb0.html

    I'm sure you can find people on both sides of the argument elsewhere as well. But it is certainly an issue in this situation.
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/<wbr>news/opinion/commentary/ct-<wbr>oklahoma-university-frat-free-<wbr>speech-sigma-alpha-epsoilon-<wbr>perspec-0312-20150311-story.<wbr>html


    This seems like a well-balanced piece. Says that the 1A claim is credible, but ultimately should not succeed.
  • isadore
    QuakerOats;1712322 wrote:Those who were expelled should sue the school and/or otherwise be compensated. A college is not an enclave where the 1st amendment is not allowed to exist; you are free to say whatever you wish (no matter how distasteful it might be). If they were in such a position where they had some type of authority and engaged in conduct that was discriminatory, then there might be some merit in their dismissal, but absent that they could easily go against the school and win.

    Otherwise, any black students there who are playing and repeating rap lyrics which condone raping women and shooting police, should also be expelled, as that would easily constitute the creation of a hostile, racist environment.
    As for advocating lynching, rape or murder of cops, out with them. Listening to it, they did not expel everyone on that bus did they or even repeating them.
  • steubbigred
    Al Bundy;1712123 wrote:Not nearly as racist as you calling black people "token"
    shut up cracker
  • Raw Dawgin' it
    IMO, If they were chanting about any other race or religion they wouldn't have been shut down or expelled.
  • QuakerOats
    Raw Dawgin' it;1712517 wrote:IMO, If they were chanting about any other race or religion, except Islam, they wouldn't have been shut down or expelled.


    fify
  • steubbigred
    michael brown was a punk criminal and these dumbass people are making that thug a martyr.
  • superman
    rmolin73;1712383 wrote:Bullshit! If he wasn't an athlete he would be kicked out of school and incarcerated. Athletes are protected no matter what race they are.
    Like the white Duke lacrosse players?
  • rmolin73
    superman;1713312 wrote:Like the white Duke lacrosse players?
    Like the Michigan cover up for Brendan Gibbons and Taylor Lewan.