Protection of the congregation

• isadore

  Belly35;1736332 wrote:The first thing that the WH mentions is gun control and socialist counties don't have this problem. Real..... Chicago not a country but it your gun agenda criminals carry, good citizen rights taken away..
  
  Hey to that guy in the Whitehouse get a fucking clue.
  
  The lack of support for mental illness is a shame in this country... If the Feds spend more funding on helping the mentally ill and socially inept behaviors individual than the spending on the hundreds of other worthless pork belly programs and agenda and the waste of federal spending ..Individual like this SC person would be helped and profiled (yes I said profiled)
  
  Parents of children or families with an adult with behavior issue .. Need to man up and get those individuals help .. Problem there is no help for the cost and insurance.
  
  Failure of the education system to handle, report, track and deal with the potential mentally illness and social behavior problem kids early Hey school system you know who they are help them .. School social counselor. Again no real place or program to use or to follow up with after those kids leave the system
  
  The stigmatism of mental illness and those with social behavior issue is worse than racism .... But the politician does not address mental illness or the fact this fucking kid and so many like him slipped throw a bad system of government failed social programs.
  
  Stop with the band issue of gun control you asshole liberal socialist and deal with the real issue...Redefining what can be done for the help, support and prevention of mental illness and social inept individuals.
  
  Take on the real issue and problem and stop trying to misdirect the public to your failure agenda...
  
  Mental illness is a social problem.... gun control is a political agenda...

  being socially inept and being mentally ill are not equivalent. One of these terms is applicable to you, the other maybe. Mental illness has a stigma, not stigmatism, which is a term having to do with optics.
• gut

  Pretty much the only thing Obama does well is demagogue. He never has solutions or ideas. He doesn't work with Congress. He just gets up there ranting about the latest tragedy and demanding Congress do something. The guy is useless.
• Belly35

  

  isadore;1736364 wrote:being socially inept and being mentally ill are not equivalent. One of these terms is applicable to you, the other maybe. Mental illness has a stigma, not stigmatism, which is a term having to do with optics.

  
  Them you got nothing to defend yourself because true is right, people like you find the meaningless to focus on...
• isadore

  Belly35;1736367 wrote:Them you got nothing to defend yourself because true is right, people like you find the meaningless to focus on...

  gosh a ruddies. LOL, thank you for providing an example of meaningless.
• Tiernan

  sleeper;1736142 wrote:Jon Stewart compared the reaction of 9 people murdered to the reaction of 9/11; as if the events were similar. What a clown.

  No he didn't...listen again to what he said dumbass. His rant was spot on and should be a must see by every American. I get accused of being "racist" on the OC because I call the NBA "thuggers" ...they have a 48% criminal arrest record and the other 52% just haven't been caught yet. But that's because they will not mature beyond what their environment taught them growing up no matter how many Benjamin's they stuff in their pockets.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  gut;1736365 wrote:Pretty much the only thing Obama does well is demagogue. He never has solutions or ideas. He doesn't work with Congress. He just gets up there ranting about the latest tragedy and demanding Congress do something. The guy is useless.

  Well, when the hell has Congress ever said to the President, we can go halfway with you...not once on a big issue.
  Congress is just as useless as the President.
  

  Tiernan;1736391 wrote:No he didn't...listen again to what he said dumbass. His rant was spot on and should be a must see by every American.

  Agreed. His rant wasn't about 9/11. It was about how if this was about Muslims shooting up a Christian church we would be out for blood. But, it is a white kid and suddenly, it is different. There is a double standard.
  Or, how we call for war when an American is beheaded by ISIS and claim the President is weak when he does not send in 100,000 troops.
  Yet, when 9 Americans are gunned down at home, oh, it is a tragedy and let's not change anything.
  
  The reality is we don't give a damn about fixing the system that allows mass murders.
  People do not want to change the system.
  
  And, for all the talk about mental health, you know that involves a real discussion on how racism still exists right? Also, if there is a real discussion on mental health, could that also include restricting gun sales, or the ability to get a gun to someone that is ill?
  
  I'm in the acceptance phase of this now. More mass shootings will occur and the country will go through the same damn cycle again.
• SportsAndLady

  

  ptown_trojans_1;1736431 wrote:Well, when the hell has Congress ever said to the President, we can go halfway with you...not once on a big issue.
  Congress is just as useless as the President.
  
  
  
  Agreed. His rant wasn't about 9/11. It was about how if this was about Muslims shooting up a Christian church we would be out for blood. But, it is a white kid and suddenly, it is different. There is a double standard.
  Or, how we call for war when an American is beheaded by ISIS and claim the President is weak when he does not send in 100,000 troops.
  Yet, when 9 Americans are gunned down at home, oh, it is a tragedy and let's not change anything.
  
  The reality is we don't give a damn about fixing the system that allows mass murders.
  People do not want to change the system.
  
  And, for all the talk about mental health, you know that involves a real discussion on how racism still exists right? Also, if there is a real discussion on mental health, could that also include restricting gun sales, or the ability to get a gun to someone that is ill?
  
  I'm in the acceptance phase of this now. More mass shootings will occur and the country will go through the same damn cycle again.

  Wtf? Double standard? Why do people always use that cop out when defending idiotic comments. He said we invaded countries when they attack our buildings but when our own attack people we do nothing. Well no shit. What the fuck do you want us to do? Invade homes of mentally unstable people?
  
  His comparison of the two situations is exactly that. A comparison. Lol @ saying he wasn't comparing the two. He used it in the same sentence and every article out there says "Stewart's comparison of 9/11 and hitch shootings spot on"
• like_that

  

  ptown_trojans_1;1736431 wrote:Well, when the hell has Congress ever said to the President, we can go halfway with you...not once on a big issue.
  Congress is just as useless as the President.
  
  
  
  Agreed. His rant wasn't about 9/11. It was about how if this was about Muslims shooting up a Christian church we would be out for blood. But, it is a white kid and suddenly, it is different. There is a double standard.
  Or, how we call for war when an American is beheaded by ISIS and claim the President is weak when he does not send in 100,000 troops.
  Yet, when 9 Americans are gunned down at home, oh, it is a tragedy and let's not change anything.
  
  The reality is we don't give a damn about fixing the system that allows mass murders.
  People do not want to change the system.
  
  And, for all the talk about mental health, you know that involves a real discussion on how racism still exists right? Also, if there is a real discussion on mental health, could that also include restricting gun sales, or the ability to get a gun to someone that is ill?
  
  I'm in the acceptance phase of this now. More mass shootings will occur and the country will go through the same damn cycle again.

  Nobody cares, or nobody has a solution? I think you are mixing up the two. I can't find any reasonable person who legitimately wouldn't want to prevent any mass murders.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  SportsAndLady;1736432 wrote:Wtf? Double standard? Why do people always use that cop out when defending idiotic comments. He said we invaded countries when they attack our buildings but when our own attack people we do nothing. Well no shit. What the fuck do you want us to do? Invade homes of mentally unstable people?
  
  His comparison of the two situations is exactly that. A comparison. Lol @ saying he wasn't comparing the two. He used it in the same sentence and every article out there says "Stewart's comparison of 9/11 and hitch shootings spot on"

  The fact that we act on terrorism but do nothing to stop or prevent mass killings is his point.
  Stopping ISIS> preventing the next mass killing.
  

  like_that;1736433 wrote:Nobody cares, or nobody has a solution? I think you are mixing up the two. I can't find any reasonable person who legitimately wouldn't want to prevent any mass murders.

  Both. Nobody cares enough to change anything and nobody has a solution.
  We go through this typical cycle where we have the tragedy, there is grief, then there is a push to change the existing system to try and prevent the next one, then push back and finally things fall back to normal, we all move on.
  Rinse and repeat.
  Nobody cares enough to push for this to change and as a result, no on has as sensible solution.
  Until then, we all have accepted to live in a country where mass killings will happen and we do not give a damn.
• SportsAndLady

  

  ptown_trojans_1;1736436 wrote:The fact that we act on terrorism but do nothing to stop or prevent mass killings is his point.
  Stopping ISIS> preventing the next mass killing.
  
  
  
  Both. Nobody cares enough to change anything and nobody has a solution.
  We go through this typical cycle where we have the tragedy, there is grief, then there is a push to change the existing system to try and prevent the next one, then push back and finally things fall back to normal, we all move on.
  Rinse and repeat.
  Nobody cares enough to push for this to change and as a result, no on has as sensible solution.
  Until then, we all have accepted to live in a country where mass killings will happen and we do not give a damn.

  There's no way to prevent this dude. That's the point. Liberals love to shout "something needs to be done!" But don't really know HOW.
  
  They don't know how because there is no solution. You can't stop some nobody teenager in the south taking a gun to a church and murdering people.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  SportsAndLady;1736437 wrote:There's no way to prevent this dude. That's the point. Liberals love to shout "something needs to be done!" But don't really know HOW.
  
  They don't know how because there is no solution. You can't stop some nobody teenager in the south taking a gun to a church and murdering people.

  That is exactly my last point. To you there is no solution. People will die, oh well, such is life.
  
  Again:
  Nobody cares enough to push for this to change and as a result, no one has as sensible solution.
  Until then, we all have accepted to live in a country where mass killings will happen and we do not give a damn.
• HitsRus

  

  Agreed. His rant wasn't about 9/11. It was about how if this was about Muslims shooting up a Christian church we would be out for blood. But, it is a white kid and suddenly, it is different. There is a double standard.

  oh, I think anyone should upon closer examination, realize that there is a difference between an attack by a mentally unstable person, and a coordinated planned assault against us by terrorists.
  "Something needs to be done" is a knee-jerk response that is simply demagoguery when "that something" has to fit into the speaker's agenda. That "something" always seems to revolve around guns... Although Timothy McVeigh didn't use a gun... Perhaps if more malcontents would use bombs we would now be considering a ban on fertilizer.
  Mentally unstable people have always been around. So have firearms...which if anything, are even more regulated than in the past. To simplify this into a gun or mental health issue alone is to ignore other factors that may be more the cause than the ones we seem to focus on.
• like_that

  

  ptown_trojans_1;1736436 wrote:The fact that we act on terrorism but do nothing to stop or prevent mass killings is his point.
  Stopping ISIS> preventing the next mass killing.
  
  
  
  Both. Nobody cares enough to change anything and nobody has a solution.
  We go through this typical cycle where we have the tragedy, there is grief, then there is a push to change the existing system to try and prevent the next one, then push back and finally things fall back to normal, we all move on.
  Rinse and repeat.
  Nobody cares enough to push for this to change and as a result, no on has as sensible solution.
  Until then, we all have accepted to live in a country where mass killings will happen and we do not give a damn.

  I wouldn't say nobody cares. Fortunately, we aren't in a third world country where shit like this is happening every day, so it's hard to expect something to be done for a rare occurrence in the grand scheme of things. People rather just take the easy route and say we need to have a "discussion" about this, instead of actually providing solutions. To find a solution, everyone needs to take off their biased colored glasses and look at the facts. Nobody ever wants to do that unfortunately.
  
  I have no idea how this could have been prevented. You can't hold everyone's hand unfortunately.
• friendfromlowry

  like_that;1736433 wrote:Nobody cares, or nobody has a solution? I think you are mixing up the two. I can't find any reasonable person who legitimately wouldn't want to prevent any mass murders.

  This.
  
  I can't relate to a single thing ptown has said.
• sleeper

  

  ptown_trojans_1;1736431 wrote: The reality is we don't give a damn about fixing the system that allows mass murders.
  People do not want to change the system.
  

  Please propose a solution to 'the system' that allows mass murders. LOL
  
  Let me guess, Republicans support mass murders!!1!
• sleeper

  

  Ptown is your typical SJW trash. Screams 'something needs to be done!' and then provides no solution. Then when prompted for a solution, the cop out is "well no one cares enough to push for a solution".
  
  These are long tail events in a big country and just like almost every crime you can't eliminate the threat entirely no matter what legislation your propose. This is just liberal media stirring everything up and trying to politicize everything and you eat it hook line and sinker every time.
• gut

  ptown_trojans_1;1736431 wrote:Well, when the hell has Congress ever said to the President, we can go halfway with you...not once on a big issue.
  Congress is just as useless as the President.

  He struggles even to work with his own party. He's an idealistic demagogue who isn't interested in sitting down to do new work.
  
  And Congress is working a little better since Repubs got the Senate. Remember when you blamed Repubs for not passing budgets, and said it couldn't be done? Harry Reid has been the major obstructionist in Washington.
• Tiernan

  I'll give all you "need a solution" naysayers a solution...start prosecuting the mentally ill's guardians right alongside the mentally ill. Both this kid and the whack job at Sandy Hook had people in their lives that knew they were anti-social psychopaths but still allowed the sponge brains to have access to firearms (hell they encouraged it in both cases!). Boom...your sweet little nut job living in the basement playing anarchy metal at stadium volume commits a gun crime...not only him but his immediate caregivers responsible for this human waste fry too. Believe me the locks on the basement would tighten up pretty quick.
• MontyBrunswick

  

  I wish I was dense enough to inject politics into a thread about a single lone sociopath.
• HitsRus

  

  Media does it all the time.
• thavoice

  Tiernan;1736529 wrote:I'll give all you "need a solution" naysayers a solution...start prosecuting the mentally ill's guardians right alongside the mentally ill. Both this kid and the whack job at Sandy Hook had people in their lives that knew they were anti-social psychopaths but still allowed the sponge brains to have access to firearms (hell they encouraged it in both cases!). Boom...your sweet little nut job living in the basement playing anarchy metal at stadium volume commits a gun crime...not only him but his immediate caregivers responsible for this human waste fry too. Believe me the locks on the basement would tighten up pretty quick.

  So, you are advocating to prosecute yourself if you ever find a woman dumb enough to spread em for ya?
• Tiernan

  I have no response to that total dumbassery.
• Belly35

  

  More and more in our society will the citizen have to provide protection....
  
  
  http://video.foxnews.com/v/4424963858001/pastor-proposes-to-arm-parishioners-to-keep-church-safe/?intcmp=hpvid1#sp=show-clips
• rydawg5

  Less and less of our society follows Jesus' teachings.. to fight darkness with light. We serve the American Jesus now. He is staring at you down the barrel of a rifle. What's it going to be punk what's it going to be?
  
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• Belly35

  

  I agree somewhat about less and less but those that do follow Jesus are very dedicated and strong believers. As Christian one of our obligation is to preserve life, however within the Bible there is also scripture of being self-defense.